WMD finally found

Quoted message said:

Here's the coordinates (for the VP's office to forward
to David Kay):

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php

Anyone got a yield estimate?

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http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php

Also, send along this blurb written by Selig S. Harrison for the
Newsweek International Edition, as a reminder of how well his policies
are working:

Oct. 16, 2006 issue - On Sept. 19, 2005, North Korea signed a widely
heralded denuclearization agreement with the United States, China,
Russia, Japan and South Korea. Pyongyang pledged to "abandon all nuclear
weapons and existing nuclear programs." In return, Washington agreed
that the United States and North Korea would "respect each other's
sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their
relations."

Four days later, the U.S. Treasury Department imposed sweeping
financial sanctions against North Korea designed to cut off the
country's access to the international banking system, branding it a
"criminal state" guilty of counterfeiting, money laundering and
trafficking in weapons of mass destruction.

The Bush administration says that this sequence of events was a
coincidence. Whatever the truth, I found on a recent trip to Pyongyang
that North Korean leaders view the financial sanctions as the cutting
edge of a calculated effort by dominant elements in the administration
to undercut the Sept. 19 accord, squeeze the Kim Jong Il regime and
eventually force its collapse. My conversations made clear that North
Korea's missile tests in July and its threat last week to conduct a
nuclear test explosion at an unspecified date "in the future" were
directly provoked by the U.S. sanctions. In North Korean eyes, pressure
must be met with pressure to maintain national honor and, hopefully, to
jump-start new bilateral negotiations with Washington that could ease
the financial squeeze. When I warned against a nuclear test, saying that
it would only strengthen opponents of negotiations in Washington,
several top officials replied that "soft" tactics had not worked and
they had nothing to lose.

Cheers,

KP

P.S. Where's Tom K. when you need him?

Quoted message said:

Here's the coordinates (for the VP's office to forward
to David Kay):

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php

Heckuva job, Bushie!

Stu Fleming said:

Quoted message said:

Here's the coordinates (for the VP's office to forward
to David Kay):

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php

Anyone got a yield estimate?

Estimates vary widely, leading to some suspicion about whether
it actually worked or not:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_10/009701.php

Stu Fleming said:

Quoted message said:

Here's the coordinates (for the VP's office to forward
to David Kay):

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php

Anyone got a yield estimate?

[censored].........
My Cats' farts yield more!!

Bill C said:

Robert Chung said:

Hmmm. Six years ago the North Koreans had zero nuclear weapons and we had
two World Trade Towers. Now, on the President's watch, those numbers have
been reversed.

Yep and Clinton paid them big time tribute to continue their nuclear
development program. He signed an agreement they never intended to keep
and sent them millions in aid money while they merrily worked towards
nukes.

There are some inaccuracies in this scenario (mostly, what
Clinton's plan was for would not have helped them get
plutonium, and they probably made these bombs out of
the plutonium they already had before 1996 or so, which
was kept locked up while the Clinton plan was still in effect).
But these pale before the fact that Clinton is not actually
president and has not been for nearly six years. It's time
for the current President and the party of personal responsibility
to step up and take some responsibility for what happens
while they're minding the store.

Ben
It's not my fault society made me a dumbass

Howard Kveck said:

But there is
absolutely no doubt that GWB's plan of "I'm taking my ball and going home" gave the
North Koreans four and a half years to work on perfecting their nuclear capabilities.

Quite simply, everything the Bush administration has done regarding North Korea
and Iran has guaranteed that they actually *do* what we (and the rest of the world)
*don't* want,

That's the whole point -- to get the world against the US so the
Decider and Cheney can use fear as a political tool.

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Bill C said:

Robert Chung said:

Hmmm. Six years ago the North Koreans had zero nuclear weapons and we had
two World Trade Towers. Now, on the President's watch, those numbers have
been reversed.

Yep and Clinton paid them big time tribute to continue their nuclear
development program. He signed an agreement they never intended to keep
and sent them millions in aid money while they merrily worked towards
nukes.

There are some inaccuracies in this scenario (mostly, what
Clinton's plan was for would not have helped them get
plutonium, and they probably made these bombs out of
the plutonium they already had before 1996 or so, which
was kept locked up while the Clinton plan was still in effect).
But these pale before the fact that Clinton is not actually
president and has not been for nearly six years. It's time
for the current President and the party of personal responsibility
to step up and take some responsibility for what happens
while they're minding the store.

Or, better yet, step aside.

KP

Quoted message said:

It's time
for the current President and the party of personal responsibility
to step up and take some responsibility for what happens
while they're minding the store.

"Study claims Iraq's excess death toll has reached 655,000"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

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Quoted message said:

Yep and Clinton paid them big time tribute to continue their nuclear
development program. He signed an agreement they never intended to
keep and sent them millions in aid money while they merrily worked
towards nukes.

Bill:

This is a really good article by Scott Stossel on military options for
dealing with N. Korea and how we got to this point. It's from The
Atlantic, not known as a liberal rag, and although rather long by modern
magazine article standards, worth reading. If you can't access it, let
me know via e-mail and I can e-mail the article to you. (Note to JFT,
The Atlantic has an option where subscribers can e-mail an article to
non-subscribers using their website so it's not violating their
copyright.)

http://tinyurl.com/da28w

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Other Bill

William Asher said:

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Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Yep and Clinton paid them big time tribute to continue their nuclear
development program. He signed an agreement they never intended to
keep and sent them millions in aid money while they merrily worked
towards nukes.

Bill:

This is a really good article by Scott Stossel on military options for
dealing with N. Korea and how we got to this point. It's from The
Atlantic, not known as a liberal rag, and although rather long by modern
magazine article standards, worth reading. If you can't access it, let
me know via e-mail and I can e-mail the article to you. (Note to JFT,
The Atlantic has an option where subscribers can e-mail an article to
non-subscribers using their website so it's not violating their
copyright.)

http://tinyurl.com/da28w

Thanks -- very informative.

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"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

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Quoted message said:

Yep and Clinton paid them big time tribute to continue their nuclear
development program. He signed an agreement they never intended to
keep and sent them millions in aid money while they merrily worked
towards nukes.Bill:

This is a really good article by Scott Stossel on military options for
dealing with N. Korea and how we got to this point. It's from The
Atlantic, not known as a liberal rag, and although rather long by modern
magazine article standards, worth reading. If you can't access it, let
me know via e-mail and I can e-mail the article to you. (Note to JFT,
The Atlantic has an option where subscribers can e-mail an article to
non-subscribers using their website so it's not violating their
copyright.)

http://tinyurl.com/da28w

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Other Bill

For a little thinking outside the box.
There's no way in hell that N Korea didn't continue it's research
using other materials during the Clinton agreement. We don't evene know
where all the "re-education" camps are let alone nuke facilities.
I don't really fault Clinton for making the agreement. Diplomacy had
to be tried, but I do resnt the idea that more appeasement after it
failed miserably once is a good thing.
I don't see N Korea as anywhere near the threat that Iran is. N Korea
wants to be a successful country, able to feed it's people, and to
unite them once again.
Since there is massive support fron S Korea for getting the US out
this is exactly what I think we should do.
Get out of Korea altogether, dump it back into the UN's lap where it
belongs, and if N Korea takes the south because the UN wouldn't defend
it, So what?
Absolutely no skin off the US's nose and we get to consolidate
resources where they actually matter for the US.
Time for us to stop being in the middle of everyones messes.
Bill C