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That the time difference between the winner and the runner-up in Paris is only 1 - 2
minutes. Please.

And the top three sprinters separated by only a couple of points!

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That the time difference between the winner and the runner-up in Paris

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only 1 - 2 minutes. Please.

And the top three sprinters separated by only a couple of points!

...that some relatively no name domestique gets inspired and pulls out a 30+ minute lead and the
favorites [censored] themselves in the last few days of the Pyrenees trying to make up the time.

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That the time difference between the winner and the runner-up in Paris

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only 1 - 2 minutes. Please.

And the top three sprinters separated by only a couple of points!

...that some relatively no name domestique gets inspired and pulls out a

30+

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minute lead and the favorites [censored] themselves in the last few days of the Pyrenees trying to make
up the time.

I thought Zenon Jaskula third place finish in the 93 TDF was a shocker, for a no name to come out of
nowhere and have Rominger and Indu-Train quaking in their boots.

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I thought Zenon Jaskula third place finish in the 93 TDF was a shocker,

for

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a no name to come out of nowhere and have Rominger and Indu-Train quaking

in

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their boots.

Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of Better Riding Through Chemistry.

-Chris Mitchell Also wondering how GB Baronchelli hung on for so long..........

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I thought Zenon Jaskula third place finish in the 93 TDF was a shocker,

for

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a no name to come out of nowhere and have Rominger and Indu-Train quaking

in

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their boots.

Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of Better Riding Through Chemistry.

I thought that Jaskula always looked like he was suffering horribly on his bike. Mouth open,
sweat pouring off of him, (hairnet) helmet on crooked, shirt unzipped and a few more I probably
could name if I thought about it. Well, he was pretty strong that one year, but I think Chris is
probably right on this one. But compared to Indurain and Rominger, he was mighty unstylish.

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In article <8z6Ja.1064664$Zo.259870@sccrnsc03>, "Chris Mitchell"

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"Bruce Johnston" > wrote in message

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I thought Zenon Jaskula third place finish in the 93 TDF was a

shocker,

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for

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a no name to come out of nowhere and have Rominger and

Indu-Train quaking

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in

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their boots.

Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of

Better

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Riding Through Chemistry.

I thought that Jaskula always looked like he was suffering

horribly on his bike. Mouth open,

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sweat pouring off of him, (hairnet) helmet on crooked, shirt

unzipped and a few more I probably

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could name if I thought about it. Well, he was pretty strong that

one year, but I think Chris is

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probably right on this one.

I'm not disputing that many pros use drugs (it's entirely possible that Indurain and Rominger did
too, BTW, but Jaskula had consistent results. He was a contender in the Giro for several years, won
or made the podium in the Peace Race a few times I think, and was on the podium in the world's
amateur road race.

I think that you because you guys follow only certain races that are well-publicized in the US, you
get a distorted view of riders' capacities, mising good performances in other events. It's seems
rather parochial.

JT

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"Bruce Johnston" > wrote in message

> I thought Zenon Jaskula third place finish in the 93 TDF was a

shocker,

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for
> a no name to come out of nowhere and have Rominger and

Indu-Train quaking

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in
> their boots.

Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of

Better

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Riding Through Chemistry.

I thought that Jaskula always looked like he was suffering

horribly on his bike. Mouth open,

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sweat pouring off of him, (hairnet) helmet on crooked, shirt

unzipped and a few more I probably

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could name if I thought about it. Well, he was pretty strong that

one year, but I think Chris is

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probably right on this one.

I'm not disputing that many pros use drugs (it's entirely possible that Indurain and Rominger did
too, BTW, but Jaskula had consistent results. He was a contender in the Giro for several years,
won or made the podium in the Peace Race a few times I think, and was on the podium in the world's
amateur road race.

I think that you because you guys follow only certain races that are well-publicized in the US,
you get a distorted view of riders' capacities, mising good performances in other events. It's
seems rather parochial.

JT

Jaskula was first Polish to win a TDF stage, silver medal TT rider for the Polish team, but in the
whole scheme of things he was not considered a contender to win the TDF. In stage 16, Andorre Saint
Lary Soulan where Rominger made his famous try to break Indu-Train, out of nowhere here comes
Jaskula. Not only did Jaskula shine, but he won the stage! Until that point he was mostly hiding out
just far enough back to stay in contention. That's the way I like it, when some no name rider will
come out of nowhere and puzzle Armstrong. I don't expect that to happen, but it's makes the TDF so
interesting when it does.

B-

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Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of Better Riding Through
Chemistry.

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I'm not disputing that many pros use drugs (it's entirely possible that Indurain and Rominger did
too, BTW, but Jaskula had consistent results. He was a contender in the Giro for several years,
won or made the podium in the Peace Race a few times I think, and was on the podium in the world's
amateur road race.

Tosi (of all people) has defended Jaskula against the one-time-quality charge, see here:

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗ "When Saronni retired
Jaskula discovered that he could have been a good all around rider. Unfortunately for him, it was a
bit too late."

For comic relief and maybe a sign that Jaskula was hard-core, from the deep archives (read to the
end of the posts):

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Ben

So Jaskula was as tuff as nails, and eats glass as well?

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

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> Jaskula was a case of one-time quality results, a fine example of

Better

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> Riding Through Chemistry.

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I'm not disputing that many pros use drugs (it's entirely possible that Indurain and Rominger
did too, BTW, but Jaskula had consistent results. He was a contender in the Giro for several
years, won or made the podium in the Peace Race a few times I think, and was on the podium in
the world's amateur road race.

Tosi (of all people) has defended Jaskula against the one-time-quality charge, see here:

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗ "When Saronni retired
Jaskula discovered that he could have been a good all around rider. Unfortunately for him, it was
a bit too late."

For comic relief and maybe a sign that Jaskula was hard-core, from the deep archives (read to the
end of the posts):

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

Ben

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Jaskula was first Polish to win a TDF stage, silver medal TT rider for the Polish team, but in the
whole scheme of things he was not considered a contender to win the TDF. In stage 16, Andorre
Saint Lary Soulan where Rominger made his famous try to break Indu-Train, out of nowhere here
comes Jaskula. Not only did Jaskula shine, but he won the stage! Until that point he was mostly
hiding out just far enough back to stay in contention. That's the way I like it, when some no name
rider will come out of nowhere and puzzle Armstrong. I don't expect that to happen, but it's makes
the TDF so interesting when it does.

It may well happen in the next few years. It will be one of the first signs that Lance is
losing a step.

Of course, it could be that he will win 5 or 6 Tours, retire at near-peak condition, and never show
that weakness. Given the kind of athlete he is, I could well believe that would be his preference.

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I think that you because you guys follow only certain races that are well-publicized in the US,
you get a distorted view of riders' capacities, mising good performances in other events. It's
seems rather parochial.

JT

JT: Palmares, Jaskula, courtesy homepage.ntlworld.comj.htmOpen ↗ Zenon Jaskula
1993 1 stage, Tour de France Points Competition, Tour of Switzerland 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland

That's all. A one-hit wonder.

FWIW, which balding Dane of similar impact was a Jaskula teammate at this TdF?

-Chris Mitchell

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Palmares, Jaskula, courtesy homepage.ntlworld.comj.htmOpen ↗ Zenon Jaskula
1993 1 stage, Tour de France Points Competition, Tour of Switzerland 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland

That's all. A one-hit wonder.

Your post is exemplary of the parochialism of too many cycling fans: conclusions based on incomplete
information.

Top 10 in the Giro is worth nothing? World championship medal worth nothing? Second in second in
Tirreno-Adriatico worth nothing? To you, I guess. The guy worked his way up to the third in the Tour
de France near the end of a long career, with a number of top placings along with way.

JT

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Palmares, Jaskula, courtesy homepage.ntlworld.comj.htmOpen ↗ Zenon Jaskula
1993 1 stage, Tour de France Points Competition, Tour of Switzerland 1 stage, Tour of
Switzerland

That's all. A one-hit wonder.

Your post is exemplary of the parochialism of too many cycling fans: conclusions based on
incomplete information.

Top 10 in the Giro is worth nothing? World championship medal worth nothing? Second in second in
Tirreno-Adriatico worth nothing? To you, I guess. The guy worked his way up to the third in the
Tour de France near the end of a long career, with a number of top placings along with way.

And probably worked his ass off for some team leaders along the way as well...but that isn't worth
anything. Except maybe a career...

Wade

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Palmares, Jaskula, courtesy homepage.ntlworld.comj.htmOpen ↗ Zenon
Jaskula 1993 1 stage, Tour de France Points Competition, Tour of Switzerland 1 stage, Tour of
Switzerland

That's all. A one-hit wonder.

Your post is exemplary of the parochialism of too many cycling fans: conclusions based on
incomplete information.

Top 10 in the Giro is worth nothing? World championship medal worth nothing? Second in second in
Tirreno-Adriatico worth nothing? To you, I guess. The guy worked his way up to the third in the
Tour de France near the end of a long career, with a number of top placings along with way.

And probably worked his ass off for some team leaders along the way as well...but that isn't worth
anything. Except maybe a career...

Does he think the same of Sean Yates and Frank Andreau?

-WG

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Palmares, Jaskula, courtesy homepage.ntlworld.comj.htmOpen ↗

Your post is exemplary of the parochialism of too many cycling fans: conclusions based on
incomplete information.

Top 10 in the Giro is worth nothing? World championship medal worth nothing? Second in second in
Tirreno-Adriatico worth nothing? To you, I guess. The guy worked his way up to the third in the
Tour de France near the end of a long career, with a number of top placings along with way.

JT et al, I'll stand by what I wrote.

I simply believe Jaskula is not as noteworthy a rider as you and others do.

The discussion of valued domestiques never entered this, but all three of the respondents seem to
have drawn that out of a post which did not extend beyond Jaskula (and obliquely, Riis and Gibi
Baronchelli). You, Wade, and Warren are all voices I appreciate, but you all leapt to a conclusion.

Your presumptions versus my parochialism? Both are invisible to the issuing parties.

Chris Mitchell -Parochial pariah