Winter Running

don't take this personally mike. but FU mike. go ahead an rub it in.
I hate this [censored]. Freezing ran last night in nyc. s-u-c-k-s. the
worse. winter sucks. dark early, dank, wet, cold, there is no snow
to make it at least look nice.....it's just f'ed up from every angle.

i ran my route monday night at 9pm. i did not see a single
runner....(this is unusual). that's when you say, "what the F am i
doing out here"? seeing at least _one_ person at least allows you to
say, "i'm out here....because...he or she is out here". minus that
inspiration...the question of your sanity if fair grounds and open for
debate.

and the clothes i must have had about 10 pounds at least of [censored] on
(gloves, caps, jackets, etc....)...this ain't running. Upper 70's?
SINGLET & SHORTS!!!!! running with loose hands, not clinched fist
every step of the way as you do when it's damn cold. winter running
means shorter movements and strides due to the
clothing/weather/footing.... I'm down 1/3 in my weekly mileage.

i've always found it odd how the "feeder states" producing many of
america's top distance runner's...are snow/cold places...i've seen the
stats...forgot where. places like michigan & colorado produce more
top runners year in year out (at the highschool and collegiate level)
than places in the South. Tennesse has fabulous mountains, I would
imagine in many parts of Texas and Arizona and Florida you can have
year round distance training in reasonable ideal conditions. UT
(Austin) and U.Tenn. and U.Ga, they just don't produce like the
programs in Colorado, Michigan....

OK, Mike. But, I have to tell you how pleasant a run I had this
morning. It was 20F and no wind. It was snowing lightly and there was
about a 2 inch snowfall overnight. I put on my trail shoes ( I only
use them in snow) and added my ice joggers, and had a really, really
pleasant run. It doesn't happen every day in SD in January, but today
was great.

The forecast for later in the week is for high winds and -20F. At that
point I will be very jealous.

Brian Jones

"Mike Tennent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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God, I hate winter running here in south Georgia.

Every day for the last 10 days, it's been the same thing - mid to
upper 70's, sunny, light breeze. By evening it's only cooled down to
about 70.

It's been tough, I tell you...

And California usually has nice weather also. Enjoy it. 😉 I've got 34
degrees and rain. Damn glad to be in recovery mode and not care if I
miss a day.

-DF

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don't take this personally mike. but FU mike. go ahead an rub it in.
I hate this [censored]. Freezing ran last night in nyc. s-u-c-k-s. the
worse. winter sucks. dark early, dank, wet, cold, there is no snow
to make it at least look nice.....it's just f'ed up from every angle.

Lance, it's a fact you are big wussy for any temp below 40 and throw in
some rain and you have a hissy fit. 😉

-DF

Its all those extra clothes to wash during the winter that
riles me. In the summer just shorts and socks.
The deep winter its two layers of full coverings plus
caps and gloves.

The main annoyance for me is all the extra clothes to wash.
In the summer you might just have shorts and socks.
In the deep winter you may have two layers of everything
plus caps and gloves.

brian....never been to SD. however aren't there some hills out their?
sioux falls or somewhere? what's the running community like out there?
i imagine some old timers think you're crazy to be running? are you
hitting frequently traveled routes by runners...or do you basically
make up your routes? i imagine most of your evening or early runs take
place with no artificial light? do you headlamp it out there?

keep in mind i'm a city guy and so the world of running elsewhere
intrigues me.

Mike Tennent said:

God, I hate winter running here in south Georgia.

Every day for the last 10 days, it's been the same thing - mid to
upper 70's, sunny, light breeze. By evening it's only cooled down to
about 70.

It's been tough, I tell you...

Yea, I hate monotony also. I'll bet you didn't get to watch the sparkle
of your headlamp on the frost on the grass in the fields 🙂

Dot
somewhere between 0 to -4F then, -8F now

--
"After 26 hours 38 minutes, we accomplished our mission, and the next
day were fortunate to read about our adventure in the sports section of
the local papers rather than the obituaries."
-Dean Karnazes recounting their running of the WS100 trail in winter.

Mike Tennent said:

God, I hate winter running here in south Georgia.

Every day for the last 10 days, it's been the same thing - mid to
upper 70's, sunny, light breeze. By evening it's only cooled down to
about 70.

It's been tough, I tell you...

Yea, I hate monotony also. I'll bet you didn't get to watch the sparkle
of your headlamp on the frost on the grass in the fields 🙂

Dot
somewhere between 0 to -4F then, -8F now

--
"After 26 hours 38 minutes, we accomplished our mission, and the next
day were fortunate to read about our adventure in the sports section of
the local papers rather than the obituaries."
-Dean Karnazes recounting their running of the WS100 trail in winter.

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden]
of 12 Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

God, I hate winter running here in south Georgia.

Every day for the last 10 days, it's been the same thing - mid to
upper 70's, sunny, light breeze. By evening it's only cooled down to
about 70.

It's been tough, I tell you...

It's been fun running in singlet and shorts for the past week. But Mike,
we've got a cold front coming in. It should dip down into the upper 40s by
Friday. I might have to break out my Goretex running suit and wool socks.
brrrrrrr!!!

Phil M.

"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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Dot
somewhere between 0 to -4F then, -8F now

If only that were her core body temperature...

I always run in early morning, so from October to late spring, that
means running in the dark. In December and January, there's not any
light in the sky even when I finish, since the sun doesn't come up 'til
after 8:00am. I don't need a headlamp, because except for the .4 miles
through a closed (in winter) park, there are street lights along the
way.

There are hills in SD, the beautiful Black Hills, including, the over-,
I mean ever-famous Mt. Rushmore. In my part of the state, it is as
flat as land can get. Last summer when I posted a question about how
to get the equivalent of hill training, it was suggested that I go to a
freeway overpass. I would have to drive 52 miles to get to a freeway
overpass.

I decided that running in the wind (vitually always) is perhaps my
hill-equivalent.

I generally just run around town here when not in racing season.
During the summer I head out on some little-used roads for long runs.

There is no running community in my town (pop.1700, maybe), save for me
and my wife and a woman who sometiemes runs with my wife.

Yes, many old-times (and others) discuss my running regularly, both
with me and behind my back.

All that aside, it's agreat place to live. Clean air, no crime and
some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

Brian Jones

I always run in early morning, so from October to late spring, that
means running in the dark. In December and January, there's not any
light in the sky even when I finish, since the sun doesn't come up 'til
after 8:00am. I don't need a headlamp, because except for the .4 miles
through a closed (in winter) park, there are street lights along the
way.

There are hills in SD, the beautiful Black Hills, including, the over-,
I mean ever-famous Mt. Rushmore. In my part of the state, it is as
flat as land can get. Last summer when I posted a question about how
to get the equivalent of hill training, it was suggested that I go to a
freeway overpass. I would have to drive 52 miles to get to a freeway
overpass.

I decided that running in the wind (vitually always) is perhaps my
hill-equivalent.

I generally just run around town here when not in racing season.
During the summer I head out on some little-used roads for long runs.

There is no running community in my town (pop.1700, maybe), save for me
and my wife and a woman who sometiemes runs with my wife.

Yes, many old-times (and others) discuss my running regularly, both
with me and behind my back.

All that aside, it's agreat place to live. Clean air, no crime and
some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

Brian Jones

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The main annoyance for me is all the extra clothes to wash.

Who'd figure a homeless guy would fret about laundry?

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
[email hidden] of 12 Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

I always run in early morning, so from October to late spring, that
means running in the dark. In December and January, there's not any
light in the sky even when I finish, since the sun doesn't come up 'til
after 8:00am. I don't need a headlamp, because except for the .4 miles
through a closed (in winter) park, there are street lights along the
way.

There are hills in SD, the beautiful Black Hills, including, the over-,
I mean ever-famous Mt. Rushmore. In my part of the state, it is as
flat as land can get. Last summer when I posted a question about how
to get the equivalent of hill training, it was suggested that I go to a
freeway overpass. I would have to drive 52 miles to get to a freeway
overpass.

In the DVD "Running on the Sun," which is a documentary about the 1999
Badwater 135, they show a woman training for the race by pulling a tire.
She had a rope around her waste and was dragging a car tire about 10'
behind her.

Phil M.

Lookit the [censored] [censored]'... geez.

Quoted message said:

don't take this personally mike. but FU mike. go ahead an rub it

in.

Quoted message said:

I hate this [censored]. Freezing ran last night in nyc. s-u-c-k-s. the
worse. winter sucks. dark early, dank, wet, cold, there is no

snow

Quoted message said:

to make it at least look nice.....it's just f'ed up from every angle.

i ran my route monday night at 9pm. i did not see a single
runner....(this is unusual). that's when you say, "what the F am i
doing out here"? seeing at least _one_ person at least allows you

to

Quoted message said:

say, "i'm out here....because...he or she is out here". minus that
inspiration...the question of your sanity if fair grounds and open

for

Quoted message said:

debate.

and the clothes i must have had about 10 pounds at least of [censored] on
(gloves, caps, jackets, etc....)...this ain't running. Upper 70's?
SINGLET & SHORTS!!!!! running with loose hands, not clinched fist
every step of the way as you do when it's damn cold. winter running
means shorter movements and strides due to the
clothing/weather/footing.... I'm down 1/3 in my weekly mileage.

i've always found it odd how the "feeder states" producing many of
america's top distance runner's...are snow/cold places...i've seen

the

Quoted message said:

stats...forgot where. places like michigan & colorado produce more
top runners year in year out (at the highschool and collegiate

level)

Quoted message said:

than places in the South. Tennesse has fabulous mountains, I would
imagine in many parts of Texas and Arizona and Florida you can have
year round distance training in reasonable ideal conditions. UT
(Austin) and U.Tenn. and U.Ga, they just don't produce like the
programs in Colorado, Michigan....

Lookit the [censored] [censored]'... geez.

Quoted message said:

don't take this personally mike. but FU mike. go ahead an rub it

in.

Quoted message said:

I hate this [censored]. Freezing ran last night in nyc. s-u-c-k-s. the
worse. winter sucks. dark early, dank, wet, cold, there is no

snow

Quoted message said:

to make it at least look nice.....it's just f'ed up from every angle.

i ran my route monday night at 9pm. i did not see a single
runner....(this is unusual). that's when you say, "what the F am i
doing out here"? seeing at least _one_ person at least allows you

to

Quoted message said:

say, "i'm out here....because...he or she is out here". minus that
inspiration...the question of your sanity if fair grounds and open

for

Quoted message said:

debate.

and the clothes i must have had about 10 pounds at least of [censored] on
(gloves, caps, jackets, etc....)...this ain't running. Upper 70's?
SINGLET & SHORTS!!!!! running with loose hands, not clinched fist
every step of the way as you do when it's damn cold. winter running
means shorter movements and strides due to the
clothing/weather/footing.... I'm down 1/3 in my weekly mileage.

i've always found it odd how the "feeder states" producing many of
america's top distance runner's...are snow/cold places...i've seen

the

Quoted message said:

stats...forgot where. places like michigan & colorado produce more
top runners year in year out (at the highschool and collegiate

level)

Quoted message said:

than places in the South. Tennesse has fabulous mountains, I would
imagine in many parts of Texas and Arizona and Florida you can have
year round distance training in reasonable ideal conditions. UT
(Austin) and U.Tenn. and U.Ga, they just don't produce like the
programs in Colorado, Michigan....

whining snipped.

The weather in NY has been pretty mild for running this winter, Remember
2003?
I do, I was training for a February Marathon.
I remember many morning runs at single digit temperatures not to mention the
wind chill.
On my last 20 miler in January that winter there were layers of ice between
my layers of clothing!
Then I went to Georgia and raced in shorts and singlets and laughed at the
southerners wearing hats, jackets and gloves in 40 - 50 degree weather.
And lastly suck it up and appreciate the fact that you're healthy and can
get outside and run!

Mike Tennent said:

God, I hate winter running here in south Georgia.

Every day for the last 10 days, it's been the same thing - mid to
upper 70's, sunny, light breeze. By evening it's only cooled down to
about 70.

It's been tough, I tell you...

Sounds like running in a jungle if ya ask me.
Upper 70's is hot; I won't even run if it's above
80-85F when I take to running at night when it's
cooled into the temperate 60's.

Must be a reason God made winter longer than
summer. Yesterday morning 28F and fog. It was
perfect 🙂

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Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"