winter gloves follow up

"DH" skrev...

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I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I bought them a month ago,
but last night was the first real cold night in that month and so I thought I'd give them a try.
My wife and I biked for about an hour in near freezing temperature.

She wore fleece gloves with Thinsulate insulation and her hands were toasty and mine were cold,
though not as cold as my feet.

I can't seem to keep warm in anything but knitted gloves with thinsulate lining. When it gets really
cold I wear some nylon mitten shells over them. (Nylon mittens with the fleece lining ripped out) I
have some fancy bikegloves and they are horrible.

Wearing something warmer on your head and body might help. AFAIK your body shuts down heating to
extremeties first to keep the vital stuff warm.

Mikael

I might try getting my money back for those gloves but it's been a month and the store policy has a
two week return. Toady I bought a pair of Craft Pro Layer 1 which I will use either as an insert to
those Columbia gloves or another pair.

aaaaaaarrrggggggggg [/B][/QUOTE]

Gloves just don't cut it but I have an answer
Pogies:
Another solution is Pogies. Bike pogies are oversized mittens that fit over the handlebars. They let you ride barehanded when you'd wear gloves and let you wear gloves when you'd need heavy mittens or gloves.

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They attach to the handlebar covering the brake and shift levers, which means you can operate these in comfort. If you use more than one bike, you either have to move the pogies with you (demount and re-mount each time) or get another pair.

Several ICEBIKERS report that Pogies are the warmest solution they have found. Pictured here is Charles Beristain's full suspension C'dale with pogies mounted. You put your hands in the large opening at the rear, and the pogie forms a natural wind barrier that protects up your hand and part of your forearm.

I've lightened the photo to the point of washout so that you can see where your hands are inserted. Note that there is ample clearance for brake and shift levers inside each Pogie.

The second picture shows the pogies from the front. Note the reflective piping for night visibility.

Now if someone would just send Charlie some snow...

All Weather Sports Winter Cycling Page, sells pogies, and you can probably order then through any good LBS. If they don't know where to get them just send them here to the ICEBIKE site.

In article <[email hidden]>, Mikael Seierup says...

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"DH" skrev...

Quoted message said:

I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I bought them a month ago,
but last night was the first real cold night in that month and so I thought I'd give them a try.
My wife and I biked for about an hour in near freezing temperature.

She wore fleece gloves with Thinsulate insulation and her hands were toasty and mine were cold,
though not as cold as my feet.

I can't seem to keep warm in anything but knitted gloves with thinsulate lining. When it gets
really cold I wear some nylon mitten shells over them. (Nylon mittens with the fleece lining ripped
out) I have some fancy bikegloves and they are horrible.

Wearing something warmer on your head and body might help. AFAIK your body shuts down heating to
extremeties first to keep the vital stuff warm.

I get cold hands very easily, and one thing I've found that helps at freezing and below is to switch
gloves every hour, certainly after any rest stop. It's really a pain to carry around the extra gear,
especially the soaking wet gloves after an hour's hard ride, but it does seem to help. Once they get
really wet none of the gloves seem to insulate as well.

Steve Christensen

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Gloves just don't cut it but I have an answer Pogies: Another solution is Pogies. Bike pogies are
oversized mittens that fit over the handlebars. They let you ride barehanded when you'd wear
gloves and let you wear gloves when you'd need heavy mittens or gloves.

Yea, that was suggested the last time I started a thread about gloves. I also have an idea for a
plastic form that attaches to the handlebar and forces the air/rain/whatever over your hands. These
'things' exist for motorcycles and motorbikes, but nothing, AFAIK, exists for bikes. I have it in
the back of my mind to somehow market these and make some money.

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"DH" skrev...

Quoted message said:

I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I bought them a month ago,
but last night was the first real cold night in that month and so I thought I'd give them a try.
My wife and I biked for about an hour in near freezing temperature.

She wore fleece gloves with Thinsulate insulation and her hands were toasty and mine were cold,
though not as cold as my feet.

I can't seem to keep warm in anything but knitted gloves with thinsulate lining. When it gets
really cold I wear some nylon mitten shells over them. (Nylon mittens with the fleece lining
ripped out) I have some fancy bikegloves and they are horrible.

Wearing something warmer on your head and body might help. AFAIK your body shuts down heating to
extremeties first to keep the vital stuff warm.

Mikael

I have the same problem. No matter what I try, when I ride in temperature in the low 30's or below,
the tips of my fingers and my toes get painfully cold. I use fleece booties covering the shoes and
my toes can make it for about an hour before they become noticeably a problem. I use Pearl Izumi
Lobster Claw gloves and it doesn't take long for my fingertips to get very cold. I try not putting
my fingers all the way in the finger sleeves, thus creating an air pocket at the tips, and I have
started using these chemical handwarmers, but they only go into the glove as far as the finger
sleeves. Helps a little but not much. The rest of me is warm with the fleece insulated tights and
with layering and the balaclava (best keeping warm garment I have). Previous posts suggest switching
pedals during the winter to beartraps and then riding in insulated boots, something I don't want to
do. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Mike S. St. Louis, Mo.

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Quoted message said:

Gloves just don't cut it but I have an answer Pogies: Another solution is Pogies. Bike pogies
are oversized mittens that fit over the handlebars. They let you ride barehanded when you'd wear
gloves and let you wear gloves when you'd need heavy mittens or gloves.

Yea, that was suggested the last time I started a thread about gloves. I also have an idea for a
plastic form that attaches to the handlebar and forces the air/rain/whatever over your hands.
These 'things' exist for motorcycles and motorbikes, but nothing, AFAIK, exists for bikes. I have
it in the back of my mind to somehow market these and make some money.

Try a search on "Moose Mitts". Here is one that I found:

trails-edge.comamfbikemits.htmOpen ↗

For anyone remotely interested, I went back to store Monday and the manager sold me on the idea of
buying Craft Pro 1, these are very thin liners. They worked pretty well in place of the original
Columbia inserts, but when taking the gloves on and off, the liner now doesn't stay in place and I
wind up having to completely remove it and place it on my hand before I insert my hand back into
the shell.

So, I went back to the store (Perry Sport) and the manager was not there and the saleswomen did not
want to give me my money back.

What follows is a Catch 22. The saleswoman said if I had only 'worn' the gloves instead of actually
'using' them, it would be a different story. I explained if I had just walked around in the cold, I
wouldn't know if they did the trick; biking at 15 - 25 kph in the cold is an entirely different
scenario. She claims to be able to see that they are used; her vision is much better than mine. I
only used the gloves for a little more than an hour or so and they still look perfectly new to me.

I will go back to the store tomorrow as the manager will be there and I hope I can get my money
back. I also sent a letter to Columbia in the US explaining my dissatisfaction with their product.
(I have a lot of free time on my hands as you've noticed.)

It's not over till the fat lady sings.

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For anyone remotely interested, I went back to store Monday and the manager sold me on the idea of
buying Craft Pro 1, these are very thin liners. They worked pretty well in place of the original
Columbia inserts, but when taking the gloves on and off, the liner now doesn't stay in place and I
wind up having to completely remove it and place it on my hand before I insert my hand back into
the shell.

From years of cold weather experience as a ski patroller I can confirm that glove liners can be very
effective at extending the confort range of gloves. But part of what made them helpful was being
able to take off the overglove or mitt without removing the glove liner. I used (and still use) some
polyester coolmax type liners that are very slick on the outside. With this as a liner it makes
removing even a wet glove a snap.

So don't give up on the liner idea - just find one with a slippery outside.

Steve Christensen

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"DH" skrev...

Quoted message said:

I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I bought them a month ago,
but last night was the first real cold night in that month and so I thought I'd give them a
try. My wife and I biked for about an hour in near freezing temperature.

She wore fleece gloves with Thinsulate insulation and her hands were toasty and mine were cold,
though not as cold as my feet.

I can't seem to keep warm in anything but knitted gloves with thinsulate lining. When it gets
really cold I wear some nylon mitten shells over them. (Nylon mittens with the fleece lining
ripped out) I have some fancy bikegloves and they are horrible.

Wearing something warmer on your head and body might help. AFAIK your body shuts down heating to
extremeties first to keep the vital stuff warm.

Mikael

I have the same problem. No matter what I try, when I ride in temperature in the low 30's or
below, the tips of my fingers and my toes get painfully cold.

I can appreciate your painfully cold digits. The only cure I found was one winter I lived in Santa
Barbara, CA. It didn't get cold, so gloves and all that other silliness that goes with w*nt*r were
unnecessary. My suggestion is that all of us that have difficulty keeping warm, move to someplace
where the climate isn't actively attempting to make us into "meat popsicles". A liner glove inside
your lobster mits may help.

happy trails,
R.

"rorschandt" skrev...

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My suggestion is that all of us that have difficulty keeping warm, move to someplace where the
climate isn't actively attempting to make us into "meat popsicles".

I'd love to. Spending the winters on Crete or some other greek island and pootling down to the local
taverna for some yummy food and a spot of wine. Unfortunately I'm not the Son of Gates and they
drive like maniacs in Greece anyway. ;-)

Lovely sunshine here today and 5C. Rode 2 hours along slightly iced over ponds and creeks and along
a nice darkblue ocean. If nothing else it gets the blood flowing and wakes me up. The day might only
be 7 1/2 hours long right now but it was a very nice one and in a week or so it starts getting
lighter again. (as in winter solstice)

Mikael

Quoted message said:

From years of cold weather experience as a ski patroller I can confirm

that

Quoted message said:

glove liners can be very effective at extending the confort range of

gloves.

Quoted message said:

But part of what made them helpful was being able to take off the

overglove or

Quoted message said:

mitt without removing the glove liner. I used (and still use) some

polyester

Quoted message said:

coolmax type liners that are very slick on the outside. With this as a

liner it

Quoted message said:

makes removing even a wet glove a snap.

So don't give up on the liner idea - just find one with a slippery

outside.

Steve, thanks for the info. If I would have given this a bit more thought, I would have first asked
people who work in the cold.

I finally got my money back for the gloves by going to another location of Perry Sport. I will now
try to find fleece gloves with Thinsulite (sp?) and that are a little large so the inserts I bought
(Kraft Pro Layer 1) will comfortably fit inside. My wife uses those and her hands are toasty when
we are biking which is surprising as, at home, I'm always turning the heat down and she's turning
the heat up.

I also have seen those oversized mittens which I'm sure work fine as air is a great insulator, but I
don't like such large gloves. Also, I will see if I can find a pair of poagies. I still like my idea
of making a small plastic windscreen for the handlebars, just small enough to go over my hands.

As I mentioned in an older post, the mailmen here in the Netherlands used to have such a thing to
keep their hands warm. My LBG told me that about 25 years ago those 'protectors' were common. (BTW,
the mail is still delivered to my house every day by bike, regardless of weather.)

Thanks to all who passed on advice and tips to me, they are appreciated! Dave Horne

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I might try getting my money back for those gloves but it's been a month and the store policy has
a two week return. Toady I bought a pair of Craft Pro Layer 1 which I will use either as an insert
to those Columbia gloves or another pair.

aaaaaaarrrggggggggg

Gloves just don't cut it but I have an answer Pogies: Another solution is Pogies. Bike pogies are
oversized mittens that fit over the handlebars. They let you ride barehanded when you'd wear
gloves and let you wear gloves when you'd need heavy mittens or gloves.

I've been following up on this, but here's a caveat about webshopping: I got a pair of pogies meant
for motorcycle use. They are far too big, intended to cover things like handlebar mounted fluid
reservois etc that you find around the handgrip on a motorcycle. I would like to find the same
concept executed for pedal-cycles.

As regards extremities, I think it is important to keep the ankles and wrists warm and covered - if
not, the blood flows in an exposed area on the way to the extremities and probably gets cooled here
even if gloves and foot covers are otherwise effective.

SteveC

DH <[email hidden]> wrote:
: I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I bought them a month ago,
: but last night was the first real cold night in that month and so I thought I'd give them a try.
: My wife and I biked for about an hour in near freezing temperature.

I have some 10 eurobucks ski gloves that are good down to almost 0
C. I doubt the fancy 80 buck cycling gloves would be any better... I switch to heavier ski gloves
after that.

For real weather I have Burton snowboard mitts. Come with removable fleece lining and big enough
to fit an additional wool mitt inside. Should be good enough for a windy -15 C day (not so common
here :-) Thin gloves and the mitts could make a nice very practical combination for weather that's
not so cold.

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What Risto said. Ski gloves come much further up the arms than cycling ones (which is nice if you
still wear indescribably ancient and shrunken jerseys). I have a nice shiny new pair which have so
far laughed at anything the weather has thrown at them which, admittedly, is not that much yet. We
shall see...

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Dave Larrington said:

Ski gloves come much further up the arms than cycling ones (which is nice if you still wear
indescribably ancient and shrunken jerseys).

One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded palms, so we can buy the best damn
gloves in the world and not worry about numb thumbs :-)

Guy
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Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> wrote:
: One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded palms, so we can buy the best
: damn gloves in the world and not worry about numb thumbs :-)

In my experience ski + glove = padding. On the other hand we can save on riding suits because we
could just take running suits or generic outdoors suits (goretex for 100 eurobucks etc). No need for
fancy things like pockets in the back.

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Mikael Seierup <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Lovely sunshine here today and 5C. Rode 2 hours along slightly iced over ponds and creeks and
: along a nice darkblue ocean. If nothing else it gets the blood flowing and wakes me up.

Post pictures!!!

: The day might only be 7 1/2 hours long right now but it was a very nice one and in a week or so it
: starts getting lighter again.

7.5 hours of daylight? Some people are spoiled!

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You might want to look at these

mec.caproduct detail.jspOpen ↗
21&bmUID=1071287356125

if you havn't seen them already. I just got a pair and am impressed with the quality.

-- rtmc

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| ... Also, I will see if I can find a pair of poagies. I still like my idea of making a small
| plastic windscreen for the handlebars, just small enough to go over my hands.
:
| Dave Horne
|

Just zis Guy said:

One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded palms, so we can buy the best
damn gloves in the world and not worry about numb thumbs :-)

Except that the Speedmachine is in a Several of pieces strewn about Larrington Towers, the Baron is
utterly unsuitable for commuting duties and the Trice not due until February, ergo I am currently
using a Trek 4300 with slicks, mudguards and a boingy seatpost...

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