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  1. eweek.com0,3959,1217020,00.asp

    The Blaster worm continued to tear through the Internet Tuesday morning as security experts
    struggled to find and fix infected systems. The worm is presenting a unique problem for security
    specialists because it is infecting a large number of PCs owned by home users, many of whom may be
    unaware that their machines are compromised.

    And because Blaster's scanning algorithm tends to start by looking for IP addresses that are close
    to the infected machine's, the worm can rattle around inside a local network for quite a while,
    consuming bandwidth.

    Officials at the CERT Coordination Center estimated that the number of infected machines is in the
    hundreds of thousands and will continue to grow. "A large number of the compromised machines are
    those of home users. In this case it isn't as easy as downloading a patch because they can't get
    enough bandwidth to get online and get the patch," said Marty Lindner, team leader for incident
    handling at CERT, based at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.

    "The compromise has a harder time getting out of the local network, so it's harder to measure how
    many machines are infected."

    Blaster began spreading early Monday afternoon Eastern time and quickly gained momentum. The worm
    exploits the RPC DCOM (Distributed Component Object Model) vulnerability in all of the current
    versions of Windows, except ME. The worm scans the Internet and attempts to connect to TCP port
    135. After establishing a connection, Blaster spawns a remote shell on port 4444 and then uses TFTP
    (Trivial File Transfer Protocol) to download the actual binary containing the worm. The worm is
    self-extracting and immediately begins scanning for other machines to infect.

    For users who cannot free up enough bandwidth to download the patch from Microsoft Corp., CERT
    recommends an alternative remedy. Users should physically disconnect the infected machine from the
    Internet or network. Then, kill the running copy of "msblast.exe" in the Task Manager utility. Users
    should then disable DCOM and reconnect to the Internet and download the patch.

    Instructions for disabling DCOM are available at Microsoft's Knowledge Base Web site.

    Running Windows? Read eWEEK's special report on Windows security issues.

    However, some security experts and users say that the manual process for disabling DCOM doesn't work
    on some Windows 2000 machines. On PCs running Windows 2000 in its default configuration or with
    Service Pack 1 or 2, manually disabling DCOM by setting the registry key or using the DCOM config
    tool fails actually to fix the problem, said Marc Maiffret, chief hacking officer at eEye Digital
    Security Inc., in Aliso Viejo, Calif. The process does seem to work on machine with SP 3 or SP4
    installed or those running Windows XP and NT 4.0.

    "They just had a bug. We discovered it about a week ago," Maiffret said, while adding that Microsoft
    confirmed the problem to him Tuesday afternoon.

    In addition, some corporate networks have been seeing re-infections even after correctly disabling
    DCOM across the network because the IT staffs failed to restart all of the machines after disabling
    the service. In order for the process to work, each machine must be restarted.

    Blaster's scanning has apparently also caused some slowdowns in Internet service on some backbone
    networks, according to monitoring done by Keynote Systems Inc., based in San Mateo, Calif. The
    company found that latency times for TCP connections between backbone providers on the West Coast
    and East Coast increased from the typical 85 milliseconds to between three and nine seconds.

    Keynote officials said they could not definitively attribute the slowdowns to the worm, but the
    timing of the problems corresponds to the beginning of the Blaster outbreak.

    Dashii

  2. Don't use Outlook. That's the usual cure to 90% of these messes. I used something called The Bat
    from www.RitLabs.com cost me a few bucks to register, but I can view email as text, no execution of
    junk, no auto-open attachements, etc. (No, I don't work for them, but I like their product.)

    Dashi Toshii said:

    eweek.com0,3959,1217020,00.asp

    The Blaster worm continued to tear through the Internet Tuesday morning as security experts
    struggled to find and fix infected systems. The worm is presenting a unique problem for security
    specialists because it is infecting a large number of PCs owned by home users, many of whom may be
    unaware that their machines are compromised.

    And because Blaster's scanning algorithm tends to start by looking for IP addresses that are close
    to the infected machine's, the worm can rattle around inside a local network for quite a while,
    consuming bandwidth.

    Officials at the CERT Coordination Center estimated that the number of infected machines is in the
    hundreds of thousands and will continue to grow. "A large number of the compromised machines are
    those of home users. In this case it isn't as easy as downloading a patch because they can't get
    enough bandwidth to get online and get the patch," said Marty Lindner, team leader for incident
    handling at CERT, based at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.

    "The compromise has a harder time getting out of the local network, so it's harder to measure how
    many machines are infected."

    Blaster began spreading early Monday afternoon Eastern time and quickly gained momentum. The worm
    exploits the RPC DCOM (Distributed Component Object Model) vulnerability in all of the current
    versions of Windows, except ME. The worm scans the Internet and attempts to connect to TCP port
    135. After establishing a connection, Blaster spawns a remote shell on port 4444 and then uses
    TFTP (Trivial File Transfer Protocol) to download the actual binary containing the worm. The
    worm is self-extracting and immediately begins scanning for other machines to infect.

    For users who cannot free up enough bandwidth to download the patch from Microsoft Corp., CERT
    recommends an alternative remedy. Users should physically disconnect the infected machine from the
    Internet or network. Then, kill the running copy of "msblast.exe" in the Task Manager utility.
    Users should then disable DCOM and reconnect to the Internet and download the patch.

    Instructions for disabling DCOM are available at Microsoft's Knowledge Base Web site.

    Running Windows? Read eWEEK's special report on Windows security issues.

    However, some security experts and users say that the manual process for disabling DCOM doesn't
    work on some Windows 2000 machines. On PCs running Windows 2000 in its default configuration or
    with Service Pack 1 or 2, manually disabling DCOM by setting the registry key or using the DCOM
    config tool fails actually to fix the problem, said Marc Maiffret, chief hacking officer at eEye
    Digital Security Inc., in Aliso Viejo, Calif. The process does seem to work on machine with SP 3
    or SP4 installed or those running Windows XP and NT 4.0.

    "They just had a bug. We discovered it about a week ago," Maiffret said, while adding that
    Microsoft confirmed the problem to him Tuesday afternoon.

    In addition, some corporate networks have been seeing re-infections even after correctly disabling
    DCOM across the network because the IT staffs failed to restart all of the machines after
    disabling the service. In order for the process to work, each machine must be restarted.

    Blaster's scanning has apparently also caused some slowdowns in Internet service on some backbone
    networks, according to monitoring done by Keynote Systems Inc., based in San Mateo, Calif. The
    company found that latency times for TCP connections between backbone providers on the West Coast
    and East Coast increased from the typical 85 milliseconds to between three and nine seconds.

    Keynote officials said they could not definitively attribute the slowdowns to the worm, but the
    timing of the problems corresponds to the beginning of the Blaster outbreak.

    Dashii

  3. Dashi Toshii said:

    Blaster began spreading early Monday afternoon Eastern time and quickly gained momentum. The worm
    exploits the RPC DCOM (Distributed Component Object Model) vulnerability in all of the current
    versions of Windows, except ME.

    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows ME. I can "safely" run it.
    Until it hangs.

    Quoted message said:

    For users who cannot free up enough bandwidth to download the patch from Microsoft Corp., CERT
    recommends an alternative remedy. Users should physically disconnect the infected machine from the
    Internet or network. Then, kill the running copy of "msblast.exe" in the Task Manager utility.
    Users should then disable DCOM and reconnect to the Internet and download the patch.

    Instructions for disabling DCOM are available at Microsoft's Knowledge Base Web site.

    Yep, easily fixed. Just disconnect your machine from the Internet, then surf to Micro$oft's web site
    and do what it.... uh, umm... Get Linux.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  4. In article said:
    Dashi Toshii said:

    Blaster began spreading early Monday afternoon Eastern time and quickly gained momentum. The
    worm exploits the RPC DCOM (Distributed Component Object Model) vulnerability in all of the
    current versions of Windows, except ME.

    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows ME. I can "safely" run it.
    Until it hangs.

    Yes one of the Joys of running OSX on my computer. I don't have to worry about any of this
    type of [censored].

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Richard Adams said:

    Don't use Outlook. That's the usual cure to 90% of these messes. I used something called The Bat
    from www.RitLabs.com cost me a few bucks to register, but I can view email as text, no execution
    of junk, no auto-open attachements, etc. (No, I don't work for them, but I like their product.)

    Dashi Toshii said:

    eweek.com0,3959,1217020,00.asp

    [doomsday scenario snipped]

    Use a Mac...

    KP

    --
    Remove _me_ for e-mail address

  6. Raptor said:


    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows
    ME. I can "safely" run it. Until it hangs.

    You know what they say?

    Gatez broke in the Red Hat Offices He stole the first set of disks he found But unbeknown to him it
    was a prerelease development version. It was designed to test only a few limited functions
    Everything else was either broken or buggy So Gatez ended up with WinDows ME

    Quoted message said:

    Yep, easily fixed. Just disconnect your machine from the Internet, then surf to Micro$oft's web
    site and do what it.... uh, umm... Get Linux.

    I'm continually amazed that folks will pay good money for WinDo$e Junkware when Linux and BSD (a
    Unix flavour) can be had for free.

    The old argument that there were no applications for Linux is no longer valid; every conceivable
    application is now available.

    And the allegations that the screens are dull and difficult to work with no longer holds up. One
    only needs to see the latest Gnome or KDE desktops to see that. I don't use them myself, but have to
    admit that they are stunningly impressive.

    And if those desktop schemes don't turn your crank, there are a dozen or more others, and for
    die-hards, they even have one that looks like WinDoze!!

    Hard to maintain? Not really if you are of average intelligence. And let's face it. How much does
    little Mary-Jane who's job description calls for e-mail and word processing etc., and whose only
    other interest is in chatting with her boyfriend on ICQ/AIM/MSN when the boss' back is turned, know
    about maintaining WinDoze?

    Help? Available almost instantaneously usually via IRC where there's always somebody to step a
    newbie through a process keystroke by keystroke instead of laughing at them as they do on UseNet.

    Distributions? There are many to choose from. From Red Hat, which is sorta Windoze for Linux (You
    won't learn much about Linux, but it is really easy to maintain with GUI screens for everything,
    just like Windoze) all the way to Slackware which is the most Unix-Like where the learning curve,
    whilst it takes a while to flatten out, will guarantee that you will have a good Linux/Unix
    background when it does.

    slackware.comslackware.com

    --
    le vent a Dos

    Davey Crockett

  7. Richard Adams said:

    Don't use Outlook.

    Amen. I've been using Agent for almost 10 years now--highly recommended!

    Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: home.stx.rr.comdclary Never Forget:
    politicsandprotest.orgpoliticsandprotest.org

  8. Casey Kerrigan said:


    Yes one of the Joys of running OSX on my computer. I don't have to worry about any of this
    type of [censored].

    Hey Casey!! Howdy from an old GEnie compatriot!! How the hell are you? I mainly hang out in
    rec.sport.golf these days but I usually drop in RBR around Giro and TdF time to see what's going
    on. I rode my last race around '93 and spent a few years riding and commuting on a recumbent.
    Gave it up a few years ago after a couple of scary run-ins with Corpus Christi drivers (I was in
    San Angelo Texas during my GEnie days). I just started riding again a couple months ago as part
    of a weight-loss effort but I mainly stay around the neighborhood. About 30 pounds to go to get
    to my Cat IV weight, but I'm just hoping it will get me more flexibility to hit longer drives off
    the tee!! :-)

    Hope all's been well with you.

    Dave Clary

  9. "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Raptor said:


    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows
    ME. I can "safely" run it. Until it hangs.

    You know what they say?

    Gatez broke in the Red Hat Offices He stole the first set of disks he found But unbeknown to him
    it was a prerelease development version. It was designed to test only a few limited functions
    Everything else was either broken or buggy So Gatez ended up with WinDows ME

    Quoted message said:

    Yep, easily fixed. Just disconnect your machine from the Internet, then surf to Micro$oft's web
    site and do what it.... uh, umm... Get Linux.

    I'm continually amazed that folks will pay good money for WinDo$e Junkware when Linux and BSD (a
    Unix flavour) can be had for free.

    The old argument that there were no applications for Linux is no longer valid; every conceivable
    application is now available.

    And the allegations that the screens are dull and difficult to work with no longer holds up. One
    only needs to see the latest Gnome or KDE desktops to see that. I don't use them myself, but have
    to admit that they are stunningly impressive.

    And if those desktop schemes don't turn your crank, there are a dozen or more others, and for
    die-hards, they even have one that looks like WinDoze!!

    Hard to maintain? Not really if you are of average intelligence. And let's face it. How much does
    little Mary-Jane who's job description calls for e-mail and word processing etc., and whose only
    other interest is in chatting with her boyfriend on ICQ/AIM/MSN when the boss' back is turned,
    know about maintaining WinDoze?

    Help? Available almost instantaneously usually via IRC where there's always somebody to step a
    newbie through a process keystroke by keystroke instead of laughing at them as they do on UseNet.

    Distributions? There are many to choose from. From Red Hat, which is sorta Windoze for Linux (You
    won't learn much about Linux, but it is really easy to maintain with GUI screens for everything,
    just like Windoze) all the way to Slackware which is the most Unix-Like where the learning curve,
    whilst it takes a while to flatten out, will guarantee that you will have a good Linux/Unix
    background when it does.

    slackware.comslackware.com

    --
    le vent a Dos

    Davey Crockett

    I started with Slackware, no relation to slackards. Then I went to Redhat, Caldera, now Mandrake.
    Just go out and buy a cheap Pentium 100 for 50 bucks and set it up as a gateway. In fact buy a cheap
    switch to for serial, PS2, and share you mouse, monitor and keyboard on it. This way all you really
    need is a cheap Pentium box left over from local high school. 486 might even work, probably will, at
    least it was until Linux started beefing up their software. Bare bones install takes less resources.
    Install Linux on as a gateway on the Pentium 100, add the firewall and connection sharing, easy to
    do and you are in business. Never worry about another Trojan or virus again, but don't be stupid
    about your mail. Use Eudora instead of Outlook. I use a very old version, Eudora light and it still
    works great. It's layered too as a precaution. You need a hub or crossover cable and couple of
    Ethernet cards for the network but then you can safely use Windoze and forget about all that
    nonsense and breathe easy. Linux uses IP masquerading and IP chains with Bastille and Snort and
    Probe, makes for good firewall, and the usual port scanners don't usually break through like on the
    Window$ boxes. Look at all the ports open on Winder$. Too much sniffing going on. Netstat command
    gives you a clue. Window$ is a poor way to log on directly and this is the cheapest way without
    buying a router and firewall box. Forget about Norton and the lot, they work fair at best and
    eventually sniffers will break in if you online a lot especially hours late into the night. Mandrake
    comes with Tiny firewall but the they sell a beefed up version of their firewall OS with Bastille
    and Snort and Probe.

    Yes, Linux best option.

    B-

  10. "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Raptor said:


    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows
    ME. I can "safely" run it. Until it hangs.

    Quoted message said:

    Yep, easily fixed. Just disconnect your machine from the Internet, then surf to Micro$oft's web
    site and do what it.... uh, umm... Get Linux.

    I'm continually amazed that folks will pay good money for WinDo$e Junkware when Linux and BSD (a
    Unix flavour) can be had for free.

    The old argument that there were no applications for Linux is no longer valid; every conceivable
    application is now available.

    The Linux fanatics have been loosed!

    I'm sorry that I posted this information on the "worm", didn't know that the Linux bunch would jump
    on it to beat a dead horse.

    The entire Linux OS is a virus. <G>

    Linux is not ready for prime time and probably never will be.

    Linux is fun to play with but you can't do anything useful with it.

    Dashii

  11. In article said:
    Casey Kerrigan said:


    Yes one of the Joys of running OSX on my computer. I don't have to worry about any of this type
    of [censored].

    Hey Casey!! Howdy from an old GEnie compatriot!! How the hell are you? I mainly hang out in
    rec.sport.golf these days but I usually drop in RBR around Giro and TdF time to see what's going
    on. I rode my last race around '93 and spent a few years riding and commuting on a recumbent. Gave
    it up a few years ago after a couple of scary run-ins with Corpus Christi drivers (I was in San
    Angelo Texas during my GEnie days). I just started riding again a couple months ago as part of a
    weight-loss effort but I mainly stay around the neighborhood. About 30 pounds to go to get to my
    Cat IV weight, but I'm just hoping it will get me more flexibility to hit longer drives off the
    tee!! :-)

    Hope all's been well with you.

    Dave Clary

    Hey Dave good to hear from you again. I lurk a lot here. I hang out most of the time at some Mac
    related web sites. I get enough bicycle racing related talk with Nor Cal stuff.

    Be careful riding in TX. Just saw a post about someone who was hit by a truck driver and it looks
    like the truck driver intended to hit the cyclist.

    Casey

  12. Dashi Toshii said:

    "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Raptor said:


    Well, finally something GOOD about that piece of [censored] called Windows
    ME. I can "safely" run it. Until it hangs.

    Quoted message said:

    Yep, easily fixed. Just disconnect your machine from the Internet, then surf to Micro$oft's web
    site and do what it.... uh, umm... Get Linux.

    I'm continually amazed that folks will pay good money for WinDo$e Junkware when Linux and BSD (a
    Unix flavour) can be had for free.

    The old argument that there were no applications for Linux is no longer valid; every conceivable
    application is now available.

    The Linux fanatics have been loosed!

    I'm sorry that I posted this information on the "worm", didn't know that the Linux bunch would
    jump on it to beat a dead horse.

    The entire Linux OS is a virus. <G>

    Linux is not ready for prime time and probably never will be.

    Linux is fun to play with but you can't do anything useful with it.

    Dashii


    You posted it as a Troll you Piece of [censored].

    --
    le vent a Dos

    Davey Crockett

  13. "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Raptor <[email hidden]> writes:

    Quoted message said:

    The entire Linux OS is a virus. <G>

    Quoted message said:

    Dashii


    No, I think Window$ come in first for that. Linux with Apache had 65-70 percent of ISP's on the net
    at one time compared to NT 10-14 percent. Those numbers are closer now but Apache is the premiere
    server software. Since Apache works so well with Linux, few are using it on Window$ platforms. True,
    Windows has desktop hands down but Linux with Apache had Internet hands down and still does well
    since the it's free and the constant bombardment of viruses and Trojans focused on Windoze.
    Intergration is seemless since not backwards like winder$, one of the parts I hate / and \. Since
    Perl works well with Linux and Apache, you can't beat it. Also BSD varients are excellent as well.
    Other then that my favorite editors are winder$ based. I like the best of both systems, Linux for
    web related and M$ for desktop.

    I agree for years now that Gates should fix his third rate OS and stop trying to entice users with
    new software. MACS are excellent choice, but limited too, and I hate that.

    B-

  14. "Bruce Johnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I agree for years now that Gates should fix his third rate OS and stop trying to entice users with
    new software. MACS are excellent choice, but limited too, and I hate that.

    B-

    No one really gives a [censored] about Operating Systems except fanatics.

    If all that you want to do with your computer is tweak the system and screw around with the OS Linux
    is ok, beyond that it's not good.

    Dvorak has ID'ed Linux as a losing proposition.

    I enjoy flight simulators and other entertainment software, Linux cannot run them.

    Don't tell me about Lindows, I don't care.

    Dashii

  15. "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bruce Johnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I agree for years now that Gates should fix his third rate OS and stop trying to entice users
    with new software. MACS are excellent choice, but limited too, and I hate that.

    B-

    No one really gives a [censored] about Operating Systems except fanatics.

    That speaks volumes about your post.

    Quoted message said:


    If all that you want to do with your computer is tweak the system and


    screw

    Quoted message said:

    around with the OS Linux is ok, beyond that it's not good.

    Ridiculous.

    Quoted message said:


    Dvorak has ID'ed Linux as a losing proposition.

    Irreverent

    Quoted message said:


    I enjoy flight simulators and other entertainment software, Linux cannot


    run

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    Ah, more volumes. Yes they can.

    Quoted message said:


    Don't tell me about Lindows, I don't care.

    I don't either.

    Quoted message said:


    Dashii

    Quoted message said:


  16. "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bruce Johnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I agree for years now that Gates should fix his third rate OS and stop trying to entice users
    with new software. MACS are excellent choice, but limited too, and I hate that.

    B-

    No one really gives a [censored] about Operating Systems except fanatics.

    If all that you want to do with your computer is tweak the system and


    screw

    Quoted message said:

    around with the OS Linux is ok, beyond that it's not good.

    Dvorak has ID'ed Linux as a losing proposition.

    I enjoy flight simulators and other entertainment software, Linux cannot


    run

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    Don't tell me about Lindows, I don't care.

    The founder of Lindows used to be the president of the UCSD cycling team.

  17. Dashi Toshii said:
    Quoted message said:

    The entire Linux OS is a virus. <G>

    Linux is not ready for prime time and probably never will be.

    Linux is fun to play with but you can't do anything useful with it.

    Dashii

    Davey Crockett said:

    You posted it as a Troll you Piece of [censored].

    An old troll, see: groups.google.comgroups
    46.577839%40hotmail.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dlinux%2Bnewsreader%2Bgroup:rec.bicycles.racing%26-
    hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.bicycles.racing%26selm%3Dpan.2003.08.01.01.52.46.577839%-
    2540hotmail.com%26rnum%3D1

  18. Bruce Johnston said:

    Other then that my favorite editors are winder$ based. I like the best of both systems, Linux for
    web related and M$ for desktop.

    I used to also use windoze more than Linux on the desktop, but these days I find I very rarely boot
    it at all as for my purposes (software and web development in C++ and Java mostly) all the Linux
    desktop tools are just as good if not better than the windoze ones (and you don't have all the
    license key [censored] you get with proprietary software). For web development if you are a Dreamweaver
    fan you can now run it on Linux using Wine (and lots of memory), although personally I'm an old
    fashioned edit the source directly type. About the only thing I occasionaly use windoze for is
    games, but with cycling and work taking up most of my time even this is pretty rare.

  19. "Bruce Johnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dashi Toshii" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Raptor <[email hidden]> writes:

    Quoted message said:

    The entire Linux OS is a virus. <G>

    Quoted message said:

    Dashii


    No, I think Window$ come in first for that. Linux with Apache had 65-70 percent of ISP's on the
    net at one time compared to NT 10-14 percent. Those numbers are closer now but Apache is the
    premiere server software. Since Apache works so well with Linux, few are using it on Window$
    platforms. True, Windows has desktop hands down but Linux with Apache had Internet hands down and
    still does well since the it's free and the constant bombardment of viruses and Trojans focused on
    Windoze. Intergration is seemless since not backwards like winder$, one of the parts I hate / and
    \. Since Perl works well with Linux and Apache, you can't beat it. Also BSD varients are excellent
    as well. Other then that my favorite editors are winder$ based. I like the best of both systems,
    Linux for web related and M$ for desktop.

    I agree for years now that Gates should fix his third rate OS and stop trying to entice users with
    new software. MACS are excellent choice, but limited too, and I hate that.

    B-

    Hey genius,

    When you use clever, alternative spellings for Windows (i.e. Windoze, Winblows etc.) it makes you
    look like a pre-teen H4x0r5 d00d!!!111

  20. "Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bruce Johnston said:

    Other then that my favorite editors are winder$ based. I like the best of both systems, Linux
    for web related


    and M$

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    for desktop.

    I used to also use windoze more than Linux on the desktop, but these days I find I very rarely
    boot it at all as for my purposes (software and web development in C++ and Java mostly) all the
    Linux desktop tools are just as good if not better than the windoze ones (and you don't have all
    the license key [censored] you get with proprietary software). For web development if you are a
    Dreamweaver fan you can now run it on Linux using Wine (and lots of memory), although personally
    I'm an old fashioned edit the source directly type. About the only thing I occasionaly use windoze
    for is games, but with cycling and work taking up most of my time even this is pretty rare.

    I was curious about Wine from the beginning since it's not an emulator, but rather a skewing
    process, tries to map the API function calls. Wine was good idea, but M$ never released or shared
    all the calls, Wine ran mediocre at best. What were those calls, in the 90's at best. I haven't used
    Wine for quite a while. I like the versions of Linux that keep Wine updated and comes preinstalled,
    so at least you can run some of your favorite apps from the get go.

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