wind farms - Scotland

William Starkey said:

Those concerned about these developments may wish to
complain to their MP, MEP, etc. Apologies if this is an
inappropriate posting.

Not inappropriate, though I'd suggest a case by case basis,
also bearing in mind that the Scottish countryside is
already highly altered by human hands: personally I'd sooner
see a couple of windmills around the bottom of Glen Etive
than the acres of rhododendrons and conifer plantations
already buggering up the landscape there, though there are
some places I'd say "not here!". It's very difficult to draw
consistent lines, unfortunately :-(

Pete.
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(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place in
Scotland. Wind farm proposals now approach two hundred, and
will undoubtedly increase significantly in the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra to
England which is a bit short, we don't want to mess up
England with anything unsightly or hazardous we can stuff
into the Celtic fringes of the UK.

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(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind farm proposals now approach two
hundred, and will undoubtedly increase significantly in
the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra
to England which is a bit short, we don't want to mess up
England with anything unsightly or hazardous we can stuff
into the Celtic fringes of the UK.

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Well said, they are ugly and inefficient.

As well as noisy and intimidating.

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Chris Malcolm said:

(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind farm proposals now approach two
hundred, and will undoubtedly increase significantly in
the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra
to England which is a bit short, we don't want to mess up
England with anything unsightly or hazardous we can stuff
into the Celtic fringes of the UK.

Err... Objection M'lud. I draw my learned friend's
attention to the debate over the Sheildaig hydro scheme,
and the comments of one of the local councillors in favour
of the scheme.

There are lots of new inappropriate windfarm proposals south
of the border. There appears to be lots of subsidies flying
around, and therefore planning applications left, right and
centre. The result is that a small windfarm appears
somewhere as a blot on the landscape generating bugger all
power. As the existing power stations have to remain on
standby incase the wind drops, it makes very little
difference to the total greenhouse output - a situation
which will remain until we work out how to store wind
electricity.

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Quoted message said:

(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind farm proposals now approach two
hundred, and will undoubtedly increase significantly in
the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra
to England which is a bit short, we don't want to mess up
England with anything unsightly or hazardous we can stuff
into the Celtic fringes of the UK.

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DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings,
Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Well said, they are ugly and inefficient.

KRO

Chris Malcolm said:

(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind

farm

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proposals now approach two hundred, and will undoubtedly
increase significantly in the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra
to England which

is

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a bit short, we don't want to mess up England with
anything

unsightly

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or hazardous we can stuff into the Celtic fringes of the
UK.

I suggest you follow the rivers Trent and Ouse along their
lengths and view the number of 'very picturesque' convential
power stations on their banks,and then travel through
Yorkshire, Lancershire,Cumria,
Northumberland,Durham,etc.etc. and see the increasing number
of wind farms sprouting up on hillsides. I can understand
your concern about what is happening in Scotland But it's
also happening in England as well.

oldman

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Chris Malcolm said:

(William Starkey) said:

I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind

farm

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Quoted message said:

proposals now approach two hundred, and will undoubtedly
increase significantly in the future.

Undoubtedly. After all, although Scotland already has
surplus electricity generating power, and sells the extra
to England which

is

Quoted message said:

a bit short, we don't want to mess up England with
anything

unsightly

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or hazardous we can stuff into the Celtic fringes of
the UK.

I suggest you follow the rivers Trent and Ouse along their
lengths and view the number of 'very picturesque'
convential power stations on their banks,and then travel
through Yorkshire, Lancershire,Cumria,
Northumberland,Durham,etc.etc. and see the increasing
number of wind farms sprouting up on hillsides. I can
understand your concern about what is happening in Scotland
But it's also happening in England as well.

oldman

They practise their Wind farm stuff in Wales - seen the
Llandinam area ?
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I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place in
Scotland.

We can see a windfarm from our house they are roughly
between Fyrish and Ben Wyvis. They look great, why don't you
like them ?

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We can see a windfarm from our house they are roughly
between Fyrish and Ben Wyvis. They look great, why don't
you like them ?

I love 'em as long as you can see them and I can't :-/
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Muzz <[email hidden]> writes

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We can see a windfarm from our house they are roughly
between Fyrish and Ben Wyvis. They look great, why don't
you like them ?

I love 'em as long as you can see them and I can't :-/

I can see two from my flat. Just. Frankly I'd rather look
at a wind farm than a coal-fired power station or a
nuclear one.

There's a few visible in the Southern Uplands - one north of
Peebles can be seen from the Manor Hills, and one north of
Cairsphairn from the north end of the Rhins of Kells (and
another further east, which I couldn't place accurately -
presumably somewhere north of the Lowther Hills.) There's
also a short row near Whitehaven, and another somewhere on
the North Cumberland Plain.

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Better still, everyone except me should stop using energy.

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I am writing to advise uk-rec-walking members about the
increasing number of wind farm applications taking place
in Scotland. Wind farm proposals now approach two hundred,
and will undoubtedly increase significantly in the future.
A single wind farm may contain many turbines each roughly
the same height as the towers supporting the Forth rail-
bridge. Wind farms will greatly alter the unique Scottish
landscape. I suspect that many members of this newsgroup
will be saddened to read about these industrial scale wind
farms proposed for the Scottish countryside. Areas
potentially affected include Ardnamurchan, Skye, Mull,
Islay, the Monadhliath, and the Birnam and Ochil hills in
Perthshire. Those concerned about these developments may
wish to complain to their MP, MEP, etc. Apologies if this
is an inappropriate posting.

The locations of current proposals and background
information can be found on the Views of Scotland website:
(impact maps version 4)

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Other websites covering the situation in Scotland:

saveourhills.orgsaveourhills.orgOpen ↗

oepg.org.ukoepg.org.ukOpen ↗

aswag.org.ukaswag.org.ukOpen ↗

And I would also like to think that hillwalkers will
be responsible enough to realise that wind farms are
of positive benefit to the world which badly needs
Green energy.

If the towers are as high as the Forth Road bridge (do you
REALLY know how high that is!!) then its no going to affect
people walking on the hills round about them then!

Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes to
wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is wind.
Some of it however is hot air...

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Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes to
wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is wind.
Some of it however is hot air...

The NIMBYs are generally the people who approve the
erection of wind Generators in someone else's area other
than their own.
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Ray said:

And I would also like to think that hillwalkers will
be responsible enough to realise that wind farms are
of positive benefit to the world which badly needs
Green energy.

It's not that cut and dried though... Far greener than
putting up a load of windfarms would be stopping wasting the
power we already produce, and you could save more than you'd
generate from wind if it was done as a serious program
backed by real political will.

Which is why I favour a case by case basis, rather than a
blanket yes or a blanket no.

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If the towers are as high as the Forth Road bridge (do you
REALLY know how high that is!!) then its no going to
affect people walking on the hills round about them then!

As far as the views are concerned, yes it will. They don't
build windfarms in sheltered valleys, because they're
sheltered!

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Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes
to wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance
is wind.

Not all the time according to the requirement for generated
electricity though. You cannot say that Site X will generate
any particular amount at any particular time, so it can't be
used as a true backbone for the grid. And if you try and
solve the issue by just putting in more generating capacity
you fail to address the real issue, which is we waste far
more power than we need to.

Pete.
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And I would also like to think that hillwalkers will
be responsible enough to realise that wind farms are
of positive benefit to the world which badly needs
Green energy.

If the towers are as high as the Forth Road bridge (do you
REALLY know how high that is!!) then its no going to
affect people walking on the hills round about them then!

Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes to
wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is
wind. Some of it however is hot air...

I don't live in Skye so can't be accused of being a NIMBY.
Talking of whic if these windfarms are so harmless why can't
they be sighted (pun intended) in the cities that use the
majority of power required?

I don't think any windfarm is the same height as the towers
of the Forth Bridge either, surely not :-)

KRO

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If the towers are as high as the Forth Road bridge (do you
REALLY know how high that is!!) then its no going to affect
people walking on the hills round about them then!

Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes to
wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is wind.
Some of it however is hot air...

There have to be large nogo areas for wind farms, like there
was for the Hydro.. bet you are all glad that Fisherfield
was left alone. We need to keep some areas free of intrusive
industrialisation if only for the tourist industry.

There are vast areas suitable for large scale wind farming,
the one on Skye is a good example.. A lot of land is already
blighted with spruce.. Go there first. Just plan the the
things, not go off in a mad subsidy grabbing rush
everywhere.. Leave somewhere free of roads and towers.

They are still a novely and not too much of a disturbance
now,but if all the current plans come off, its not going to
be too good.. And yes, somebody will still have to look at a
coal fired and a nuclear powerstation.

As so often, the best course here is one of moderation. If
either extreme wins its going to be bad news.

Richard Webb

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We can see a windfarm from our house they are roughly
between Fyrish and Ben Wyvis. They look great, why don't
you like them ?

I love 'em as long as you can see them and I can't :-/

I can see two from my flat. Just. Frankly I'd rather look
at a wind farm than a coal-fired power station or a
nuclear one.

Better still, everyone except me should stop using energy.

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<[email hidden]>, Ray
<[email hidden]> writes

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Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes to
wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is
wind. Some of it however is hot air...

The NIMBYs are generally the people who approve the
erection of wind Generators in someone else's area other
than their own.

Yes that right. They think they're being green then. Peter's
right too of course. We need to look at how to use less not
how to generate more.

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Adrian Tupper said:

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<[email hidden]>, Ray
<[email hidden]> writes

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Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes
to wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is
wind. Some of it however is hot air...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The NIMBYs are generally the people who approve the
erection of wind Generators in someone else's area other
than their own.

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Yes that right. They think they're being green then.
Peter's right too of course. We need to look at how to use
less not how to generate more.

Easy, we already have the technology! Turn out all the
lights, turn off the heating, use head torches with
rechargeable batteries while wearing your sit-around-the-
camp fleeces.

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Adrian Tupper said:

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<[email hidden]>, Ray
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Here on Skye we have a bad case of NIMBYs when it comes
to wind farms. One thing NW Scotland has in abundance is
wind. Some of it however is hot air...

The NIMBYs are generally the people who approve the
erection of wind Generators in someone else's area other
than their own.

Yes that right. They think they're being green then.
Peter's right too of course. We need to look at how to use
less not how to generate more.

We need to go completely nuclear. Everything else is dirty
or inefficient or both.

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