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Will Vino go down?

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  1. If Vino gets through this unscathed then he is the favorite for the Tour. But Saiz was a notorious micromanager who would go so far as to select the saddles riders would use and he had been running a team supported doping program for ten years. It seems likely that everyone on Liberty Seguros would have been using Fuentes in some way.

    On the other hand, Fuentes getting busted did not seem to affect Vino's Vuelta performance. In fact he was stronger in the high mountains than he has ever been. Did he make a quick switch to another source?

  2. Bro Deal said:

    If Vino gets through this unscathed then he is the favorite for the Tour. But Saiz was a notorious micromanager who would go so far as to select the saddles riders would use and he had been running a team supported doping program for ten years. It seems likely that everyone on Liberty Seguros would have been using Fuentes in some way.

    On the other hand, Fuentes getting busted did not seem to affect Vino's Vuelta performance. In fact he was stronger in the high mountains than he has ever been. Did he make a quick switch to another source?

    That's a great point about Saiz. I had always assumed that Vino had a special source, one that he was ready to line up for Astana.

    Re. Landis, I wonder how involved his personal Doctor is... It's interesting that Landis' Doc -- I forget his name right now -- has played such a large role in his defense. It's almost as if he has something personal at stake.

    Man, at this rate, were talking Continental teams and FDJ in the Tour.

  3. Vino's toast.

  4. fscyclist said:

    Vino's toast.


    I think so, too. Saiz was headed to a training camp with Vino when he was busted red handed. And his name was on a business card in Saiz's wallet. But people can luck out. Since T-Mobile looks like it was every man for himself when it came to doping, maybe Vino had his own supplier.

    It is sad that this whole Puerto thing is more interesting and more dramatic than the racing. It turns the season into a soap opera.

  5. Bro Deal said:

    I think so, too. Saiz was headed to a training camp with Vino when he was busted red handed. And his name was on a business card in Saiz's wallet. But people can luck out. Since T-Mobile looks like it was every man for himself when it came to doping, maybe Vino had his own supplier.

    It is sad that this whole Puerto thing is more interesting and more dramatic than the racing. It turns the season into a soap opera.

    I'm amazed by the diversity of the named culprits - how they span many different teams, but there are some teams that are completely out of it, namely Disco/USPS. The way I see it there were really three scenarios on the teams.
    1. Some teams used Fuentes as their team doc for organized doping. Likely the case for Liberty; Hence Vino is toast.
    2. Some teams forbade organized doping and a few of their riders used Fuentes without 'direct knowledge' of team management. Probably true for the majority of teams, CSC and TMob come to mind.
    3. If a team doesn't have a single rider named in the Fuentes scandal, that supports the conclusion that the team has organized doping. I find it unbelievable that a team of 20 pros doesn't have a single bad apple that would find his way to Fuentes...unless he has no need because the team has a secure source. Wait until that ring is cracked, then it will really hit the fan.

    Sure, the doping scene isn't good for cycling, but in my mind, the complete focus on the Tour, propogated by Armstrong, did as much or more to ruin pro cycling. Maybe when this is all over, people won't hide for 11 months of the year only to show up for one race and we can see true champions race the classics. When's the last time a TDF contender raced P-R? Lemond is the last one I can remember and that's a shame.

  6. Others: Schleck? Cunego?

  7. fscyclist said:

    Vino's toast.


    Remember, the French do like him and would be much happier with him winning the Tour than another Seppo.

  8. patch70 said:

    Remember, the French do like him and would be much happier with him winning the Tour than another Seppo.

    WTF difference does that make? If they like him they won't want to drag his Kazakh ass through the mud?

  9. I agree with fcyclist on this one. The teams that weren't caught are running in-house programs. In a way, that would explain Vino's confidence in setting up a team and his ability to attract top-flight riders with the promise of not getting caught in the same manner OP went down.

    When you think about, 100 pros all going to the same doctor for PEDs? It was just a matter of time before that cookie crumbled. With Astana and Disco, I'd bet dollars-to-doughnuts it's in-house by one highly paid, skilled doctor who, in the case of Disco, got to also suck Lance's [censored] (Bobke?). This act was likely filmed from the waist down and now they own the quack.

  10. DiabloScott said:

    WTF difference does that make? If they like him they won't want to drag his Kazakh ass through the mud?


    Exactly. You don't think that Valverde got preferential treatment too?

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