Will Ullrich hold back in the TT?

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Do you guys think Jan will give it his all in the Suisse TT
or just take enough seconds to take the lead and not show
his real form?

I hope he holds back so not to tip off Lance his real form!

The problem, though, is that he will have to ride before the
guy who is ahead of him on GC (whose name I can't remember).
It's not impossible, but it will be harder to calibrate the
right speed to beat him by seconds instead of minutes.

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he problem, though, is that he will have to ride before the
guy who is ahead of him on GC (whose name I can't
remember).

Fabian Jeker

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Quoted message said:

Do you guys think Jan will give it his all in the Suisse
TT or just take enough seconds to take the lead and not
show his real form?

I hope he holds back so not to tip off Lance his
real form!

The problem, though, is that he will have to ride before
the guy who is ahead of him on GC (whose name I can't
remember). It's not impossible, but it will be harder to
calibrate the right speed to beat him by seconds instead
of minutes.

Ullrich did a stellar job of calibration, it would seem--
since he beat Jeker by a single second!! Unless he wasn't
holding back? ;-) In either case, he was a bit
fortunate...I'm sure that Ullrich is satisfied wwith the
accuracy of Swiss timing! In how many other countries would
it have turned out that the native son cyclist (in this
case, Jeker, form Switzerland) would have gained the
necessary extra second or two of time off of the clock?

I'm sure the Tour de Suisse organizers are nevertheless
pleased
with their decision to have the race's final stage be a
Time Trial.

Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a margin
of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd Place? I'm sure
that Laurant Fignon can empathize with Jeker's plight
right about now...but in the 1989 Tour, Fignon finished
8 seconds behind Lemond.

One wonders how this will affect Jeker's career? Losing
like this has to be a devastating blow to him.

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Final general classification

1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
34.19.25 2 Fabian Jeker (Swi) Saunier Duval-Prodir .01 3
Dario David Cioni (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
35.20 4 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner
36.26 5 Evgeni Petrov (Rus) Saeco
37.14 6 Jose Maria Del Olmo (Spa) Milaneza Maia
38.17 7 Patrik Sinkewitz (Ger) Quick.Step-Davitamon
39.18 8 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile Team
40.20 9 Oscar Camenzind (Swi) Phonak Hearing Systems
41.38 10 David Canada Gracia (Spa) Saunier Duval-Prodir
42.46

Stage 9 - June 20: Lugano - Lugano, 25.6km

Results 1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
42.1.1 (1.594 km/h) 2 Laszlo Bodrogi (Hun) Quick.Step-
Davitamon .08.48 3 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Fassa
Bortolo .10.71 4 Evgeni Petrov (Rus) Saeco .22.91
5 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC .40.20 6 Fabian
Jeker (Swi) Saunier Duval-Prodir .42.37 7 Ben Day
(Aus) MrBookmaker.com-Palmans .49.56 8 Bart
Voskamp (Ned) Chocolade Jacques Wincor-Nixdorf
.52.07 9 Marc Wauters (Bel) Rabobank .54.03 10
Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team .56.81 11
Santiago Botero Echeverry (Col) T-Mobile Team
.58.18 12 Marcus Fothen (Ger) Gerolsteiner
42.2.96 13 Volodymir Gustov (Ukr) Fassa Bortolo
42.3.93 14 Dario David Cioni (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
42.4.18 15 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Credit Agricole
42.5.35 16 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner
42.6.02

Jeker got pipped in the points category, too....

Points classification

1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 61 pts 2 Fabian Jeker
(Swi) Saunier Duval-Prodir 58 3 Robert Hunter (RSA)
Rabobank 56 4 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo 38 5 Georg
Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner 30 6 Oscar Camenzind (Swi)
Phonak Hearing Systems 26 7 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 23
8 Alexandr Kolobnev (Rus) Domina Vacanze 22 9 Dario David
Cioni (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 21 10 Jose Maria Del Olmo (Spa)
Milaneza Maia 21

Isidor Gunsberg said:

Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a
margin of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd Place?

Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

Dieter

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Do you guys think Jan will give it his all in the
Suisse TT or just take enough seconds to take the lead
and not show his real form?

I hope he holds back so not to tip off Lance his real
form!

The problem, though, is that he will have to ride before
the guy who is

ahead

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of him on GC (whose name I can't remember). It's not
impossible, but it

will

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be harder to calibrate the right speed to beat him by
seconds instead of minutes.

Ullrich did a stellar job of calibration, it would seem--
since he beat Jeker by a single second!! Unless he wasn't
holding back? ;-) In either case, he was a bit
fortunate...I'm sure that Ullrich is satisfied wwith the
accuracy of Swiss timing! In how many other countries
would it have turned out that the native son cyclist (in
this case, Jeker, form Switzerland) would have gained the
necessary extra second or two of time off of the clock?

I do not know who was doing that timing. But at least the
GPS data that was being shown on German (DSF) TV left much
to be desired. When Ullrich entered the last Km mark he was
suppossed to be only 30 secs in front of Jeker.

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Quoted message said:

Ullrich did a stellar job of calibration, it would seem--
since he beat Jeker by a single second!! Unless he wasn't
holding back? ;-) In either case, he was a bit
fortunate...I'm sure that Ullrich is satisfied wwith the
accuracy of Swiss timing! In how many other countries
would it have turned out that the native son cyclist (in
this case, Jeker, form Switzerland) would have gained the
necessary extra second or two of time off of the clock?

I do not know who was doing that timing. But at least the
GPS data that was being shown on German (DSF) TV left much
to be desired. When Ullrich entered the last Km mark he was
suppossed to be only 30 secs in front of Jeker.

Not to mention the commentator on Swiss TV who had
miscalculated that Jekker had to arrive with 32.27 to win
instead of 32.17 so he was ecstatic for a few
minutes....clown probably soon to be out of a job !

Isidor Gunsberg said:

Ullrich did a stellar job of calibration, it would seem--
since he beat Jeker by a single second!! Unless he wasn't
holding back? ;-) In

It is common for professional riders to deliberately
hold back in the TT so that they can get a stage win
the next day.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Isidor Gunsberg) said:

One wonders how this will affect Jeker's career? Losing
like this has to be a devastating blow to him.

I'm sure he's disappointed as hell, but he knew what he
was up against with Ullrich in the final ITT. But it's
his equal best finish in a short tour with serious
competition, so I'd bet he's fairly pleased. Anyway, he's
been at it since '91 or '92, so I doubt he's thinking
that he's going to have a big shot at a GT.

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Isidor Gunsberg said:

Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a
margin of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd Place?

Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

Dieter

It wasn't in a grand tour, but the world track champs a
couple of years ago. Arnaud Tournant lost the gold medal by
about 1/1000 of a second. I can't recall who won,maybe Sean
Eadie? But Tournant was so disappointed, his face told the
whole story. Mind you, the guy has won so many medals.It
really was the agony of defeat!

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

(Isidor Gunsberg) said:

One wonders how this will affect Jeker's career? Losing
like this has to be a devastating blow to him.

I'm sure he's disappointed as hell, but he knew what he
was up against with Ullrich in the final ITT. But it's
his equal best finish in a short tour with serious
competition, so I'd bet he's fairly pleased. Anyway,
he's been at it since '91 or '92, so I doubt he's
thinking that he's going to have a big shot at a GT.

trap-friis.dkschweiz.Jeker.htmOpen ↗

I didn't realize Jeker was 35.

-Sonarrat.

Dieter Buerssner said:

Isidor Gunsberg wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a
margin of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd Place?

Quoted message said:

Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

On the final stage there was a point sprint. All the point
sprints carried time bonuses. 7-11 had to set up Kiefel
since he was a much better sprinter than Hampsten. Than
Winnen also, he took the sprint and Hampsten's win was
preserved.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sonarrat said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

(Isidor Gunsberg) said:

One wonders how this will affect Jeker's career?
Losing like this has to be a devastating blow to him.

I'm sure he's disappointed as hell, but he knew what
he was up against with Ullrich in the final ITT. But
it's his equal best finish in a short tour with
serious competition, so I'd bet he's fairly pleased.
Anyway, he's been at it since '91 or '92, so I doubt
he's thinking that he's going to have a big shot at a
GT.

trap-friis.dkschweiz.Jeker.htmOpen ↗

I didn't realize Jeker was 35.

-Sonarrat.

Yeah, he's been around for a while; did you notice the
wins in the "Young Rider" comps back in '92?

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Dieter Buerssner said:

Isidor Gunsberg wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a
margin of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd
Place?

Quoted message said:

Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

On the final stage there was a point sprint. All the point
sprints carried time bonuses. 7-11 had to set up Kiefel
since he was a much better

sprinter

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than Hampsten. Than Winnen also, he took the sprint and
Hampsten's win was preserved.

I recall Roll taking a few (intermediate) bonus sprints as
well. IIRC, there were a number of opportunties for Winnen
(also a climber) to take time in a sprint bonus. Lots of
people were surprised that the mighty Panasonic team could
not out muscle the "Slurpees" for the win.

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Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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I do not know who was doing that timing. But at least the
GPS data that

was

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being shown on German (DSF) TV left much to be desired.
When Ullrich

entered

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the last Km mark he was suppossed to be only 30 secs in
front of Jeker.

It appears they had a tailwind until the last portion, and
Ullrich commented that he thought the difference could only
be made then and there. Jeker was in shock in the first post-
race interview, babbling clichés about himself being a
champion and thus accepting defeat graciously (very odd
stuff to be uttered in first person), yet clearly fighting
the tears, the poor chap.

In the last bend, a *huge* turd lay in the middle of the
road. Jeker, unlike Ullrich, chose the shorter but slower
inside trajectory around it. [censored] happens.

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Dieter Buerssner said:

Isidor Gunsberg wrote:

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> Has there ever been another Tour to finish with a
> margin of just 1 second between the 1st & 2nd
> Place?

Quoted message said:

Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

On the final stage there was a point sprint. All the
point sprints carried time bonuses. 7-11 had to set up
Kiefel since he was a much better

sprinter

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than Hampsten. Than Winnen also, he took the sprint and
Hampsten's win was preserved.

I recall Roll taking a few (intermediate) bonus sprints as
well. IIRC, there were a number of opportunties for Winnen
(also a climber) to take time in a sprint bonus. Lots of
people were surprised that the mighty Panasonic team could
not out muscle the "Slurpees" for the win.

Was that the same Tour of Switzerland where Hampsten won the
stage over the Gavia ;-)

JT

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Tour de Suisse, 1987, Hampsten 1 s in front of Winnen.

On the final stage there was a point sprint. All the
point sprints carried time bonuses. 7-11 had to set up
Kiefel since he was a much better

sprinter

Quoted message said:

than Hampsten. Than Winnen also, he took the sprint and
Hampsten's win was preserved.

I recall Roll taking a few (intermediate) bonus sprints as
well. IIRC, there were a number of opportunties for Winnen
(also a climber) to take time in a sprint bonus. Lots of
people were surprised that the mighty Panasonic team could
not out muscle the "Slurpees" for the win.

Was that the same Tour of Switzerland where Hampsten won the
stage over the Gavia ;-)

JT [/B]

Knoweth thine Classics!!! The famous Gavia stage was in the Giro de Italia, not in the TdS.

About Winnen vs Hampsten: It was a huge surprise Winnen still could compete at that level, as he had been riding horribly for a few years.

The infamous last intermediate was extremely funny🙂 Freuler launching Winnen... LMAO He went with the 53x12 but was beaten by Kiefel.

In the ending Masssprint Winnen even managed to get a top 10 finish... no bonus seconds though🙂

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Was that the same Tour of Switzerland where Hampsten won
the stage over the Gavia ;-)

Hrmph.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Was that the same Tour of Switzerland where Hampsten won
the stage over the Gavia ;-)

No, it was the one where Fausto rode Derijke off his back
wheel on the Crespera in the 1953 edition after the little
Flahut had sat there for 70 klicks.

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Marlene Blanshay said:

It wasn't in a grand tour, but the world track champs a
couple of years ago. Arnaud Tournant lost the gold medal
by about 1/1000 of a second. I can't recall who won,maybe
Sean Eadie?

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1. Chris Hoy (GBR) 1:01.893 (58,164 km/h)
2. Arnaud Tournant (Fra) 1:01.894

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But Tournant was so disappointed, his face told the
whole story.

Fabian Jeker looked extremely dissapointed yesterday. He was
obviously fighting with tears. I felt really sorry for him.

Actually before the race today I thought of the possibility,
that Ullrich will give the GC to Jeker, and just win the TT.
For Jeker's palmares it would have been much more important,
than for Ullrich's. Also considering Jeker's age. If I
recall the times correctly, Fabian lost around 5 s on the
last km to Jan.

Perhaps Ullrich was also [censored] because of stage 8 (I did
not see that stage). Once I read, that Jeker won the 9 s in
the last climb, once I read in the descent. Ullrich
(paraphrasing): "Fabian could take more risks in the [wet
and dangerous] descent".

Perhaps Ullrich would have been more generous, when the team
of his opponent would have ridden the TdF this year?

Dieter