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  1. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40188cbd$0$832$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-

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    Having said that, there were no useful treatments for either viral infections or pheumonia or
    respiratory failure secondary to them in the early 1900s.

    Peter Moran


    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might it be that the Chinese
    had effective methods to deal with such?

    Sadly, no. You asked.

    le moo

  2. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal


    manipulation

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    reduces mortality from the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are


    even

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    very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran


    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find out. How convenient.

    As PM points out, even the upper echelons of chiropractic don't claim, as you do, that it has any
    effect on non musculoskeletal conditions. This should give you pause. But I know it doesn't.

    le m3

  3. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:101j58l52fade2d@corp.

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    We are TOLD that many strains originate in China. You, nor I, do not KNOW that to be true.

    See, this is the thing that makes idiots like mdd so insufferable. Try to get them to state any
    medical thing that they KNOW to be a fact and they can't. At least, not by the same rules of
    evidence they imply are required for any claim about a flku originating in China.

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    Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely originated in some lab somewhere far from
    China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not doing well in this debate, perhaps you
    should drop it.

    Nope. I don't think so. You're an intellectual punching bag. But it's worthwhile to see moronic-
    level arguments (like those which question beg the definition of "KNOW"😉 dispatched now and then.

    le moo

  4. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    However, by far, that 1918 epidemic hit India the hardest, killing about 20 million people.
    Interestingly, India had (& continues to have) a HUGE HUGE homeopathic tradition with
    dispenseries all over that country, from the smallest villages to the largest cities since the
    early 1900's, which certainly would have been in place in 1918. I have to wonder what went
    wrong.


    Money? Competing with the other "healing" methods present at the time?

    In India? You kidding? Do you know what the ratio of toilets to humans is there? Public health is so
    far down the list of government, or any big money, priorities that there's little danger of getting
    anything other than homeopathic treatment. And the results are appalling.

    moo

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    > > > >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    and

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    > > > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so,


    without

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    very
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    > > > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*
    > *reasonable*
    > > > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
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    > > > ZZzz.
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    > > > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter


    Moran

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    otherwise,

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    he

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    > > would
    > > > still be doubtful.
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    > > So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to


    your

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    > nutty
    > > beliefs, Jan? OK.
    > >
    > > Peter Moran
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    > > > Jan
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    > Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    Chiropractic,
    > while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow


    smoke,

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    as

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    > you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients


    with

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    the

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    flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your


    brand

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    of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic"


    and

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    they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved


    their

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    life?

    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal


    manipulation

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    reduces mortality from the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are


    even

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    very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran


    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find


    out.

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    How convenient.

    It's a waste of time to test totally implausible hypotheses. But, if you want to do the tests, I'm
    sure the NCCAM will give you money if you write


    a

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    grant.

    Orac posted a URL which led to the forms that need to be filled out to get a grant in real
    medicine. If the NCCAM forms are as onerous, then mdd is just going have to keep making things up
    as s/h/it goes.

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not,


    why?

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    Might
    > > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in


    China?

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    > Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

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    > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    >
    >
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    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
    looks like I asked a question about it. Or do


    you

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    differently than the rest of the English speaking world?


    You

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    are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence


    is

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    just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in


    China.

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    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any special treatment or dealing
    with the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?


    Then why did you say that I made a claim? As for implications, you may read into it what you want.
    And it is evident that you do a lot of "reading into" We are TOLD that many strains originate in
    China. You, nor I, do not KNOW that to be true. Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely
    originated in some lab somewhere far from China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not
    doing well in this debate, perhaps you should drop it.

    Actually, I am. I have just shown how you weasel and write for deniability.

    M-O-F.

    Thank you for playing.

  7. "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]> schreef
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    "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > > "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040128165944.28530.00001003@mb-
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    > > > > >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    > > > > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical


    studies,

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    and

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    > > > > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so,


    without

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    > very
    > > > > >convincing results.
    > > > >
    > > > > >Peter Moran
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    > > > > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*
    > > *reasonable*
    > > > > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    > > > >
    > > > > ZZzz.
    > > > >
    > > > > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter


    Moran

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    > > won't
    > > > > believe it.
    > > > >
    > > > > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare


    otherwise,

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    he
    > > > would
    > > > > still be doubtful.
    > > > >
    > > > > Brainwashing is very powerful.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza"


    to

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    your

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    > > nutty
    > > > beliefs, Jan? OK.
    > > >
    > > > Peter Moran
    > > > >
    > > > > Jan
    > > >
    > > >
    > > Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    > Chiropractic,
    > > while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow


    smoke,

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    as
    > > you have NO evidence to the contrary.
    >
    > Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients


    with

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    the
    > flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your


    brand

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    > of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic"

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    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    > they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved


    their

    Quoted message said:

    > life?
    >
    > Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal


    manipulation

    Quoted message said:

    > reduces mortality from the flu.
    >
    > Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are


    even

    Quoted message said:

    > very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.
    >
    > Peter Moran
    >
    >
    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find


    out.

    Quoted message said:
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    How convenient.

    It's a waste of time to test totally implausible hypotheses. But, if you want to do the tests,
    I'm sure the NCCAM will give you money if you


    write

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    a

    Quoted message said:

    grant.

    Orac posted a URL which led to the forms that need to be filled out to get


    a

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    grant in real medicine. If the NCCAM forms are as onerous, then mdd is


    just

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    going have to keep making things up as s/h/it goes.

    And s/h/it goes ;-)

    --
    Robert Bronsing

  8. "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    > > > "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040128165944.28530.00001003@mb-
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    > > > > >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    > > > > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical


    studies,

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    and

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    > > > > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so,


    without

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    > very
    > > > > >convincing results.
    > > > >
    > > > > >Peter Moran
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*
    > > *reasonable*
    > > > > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    > > > >
    > > > > ZZzz.
    > > > >
    > > > > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter


    Moran

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    > > won't
    > > > > believe it.
    > > > >
    > > > > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare


    otherwise,

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    he
    > > > would
    > > > > still be doubtful.
    > > > >
    > > > > Brainwashing is very powerful.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza"


    to

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    your

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    > > nutty
    > > > beliefs, Jan? OK.
    > > >
    > > > Peter Moran
    > > > >
    > > > > Jan
    > > >
    > > >
    > > Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    > Chiropractic,
    > > while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow


    smoke,

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    as
    > > you have NO evidence to the contrary.
    >
    > Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients


    with

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    Quoted message said:

    the
    > flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your


    brand

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    > of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic"

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    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    > they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved


    their

    Quoted message said:

    > life?
    >
    > Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal


    manipulation

    Quoted message said:

    > reduces mortality from the flu.
    >
    > Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are


    even

    Quoted message said:

    > very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.
    >
    > Peter Moran
    >
    >
    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find


    out.

    Quoted message said:
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    How convenient.

    It's a waste of time to test totally implausible hypotheses. But, if you want to do the tests,
    I'm sure the NCCAM will give you money if you


    write

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    grant.

    Orac posted a URL which led to the forms that need to be filled out to get


    a

    Quoted message said:

    grant in real medicine. If the NCCAM forms are as onerous, then mdd is


    just

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    going have to keep making things up as s/h/it goes.


    You guys are so interested in money and what you call research, why don't you do it? I do not need
    to, I already have sufficient evidence for my needs.

  9. "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not,


    why?

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    > Might
    > > > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?
    >
    > > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in


    China?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

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    > > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the


    flu

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    > pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or do


    you

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    read
    > differently than the rest of the English speaking world?
    You
    > are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence


    is

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    just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in


    China.

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    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any


    special

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    treatment or dealing with the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?


    Then why did you say that I made a claim? As for implications, you may read into it what you
    want. And it is


    evident

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    that you do a lot of "reading into" We are TOLD that many strains originate in China. You, nor
    I, do not


    KNOW

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    that to be true. Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely originated in some lab
    somewhere far from China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not doing well in this
    debate, perhaps you should drop it.

    Actually, I am. I have just shown how you weasel and write for


    deniability.

    Quoted message said:


    M-O-F.

    Thank you for playing.


    Too late marki, you lost the debate a few posts back.

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    > > > > > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical


    studies,

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    and
    > > > > > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so,
    without
    > > very
    > > > > > >convincing results.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >Peter Moran
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*
    > > > *reasonable*
    > > > > > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ZZzz.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*,


    Peter

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    Moran
    > > > won't
    > > > > > believe it.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare


    otherwise,

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    > he
    > > > > would
    > > > > > still be doubtful.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Brainwashing is very powerful.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza"


    to

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    your
    > > > nutty
    > > > > beliefs, Jan? OK.
    > > > >
    > > > > Peter Moran
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Jan
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    > > Chiropractic,
    > > > while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow
    smoke,
    > as
    > > > you have NO evidence to the contrary.
    > >
    > > Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most


    patients

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    with

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    > the
    > > flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in


    your

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    brand
    > > of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic"

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    and
    > > they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice


    saved

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    their
    > > life?
    > >
    > > Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal
    manipulation
    > > reduces mortality from the flu.
    > >
    > > Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there


    are

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    even
    > > very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.
    > >
    > > Peter Moran
    > >
    > >
    > And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find


    out.

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    > How convenient.

    It's a waste of time to test totally implausible hypotheses. But, if


    you

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    want to do the tests, I'm sure the NCCAM will give you money if you


    write

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    a

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    grant.

    Orac posted a URL which led to the forms that need to be filled out to


    get

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    a

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    grant in real medicine. If the NCCAM forms are as onerous, then mdd is


    just

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    going have to keep making things up as s/h/it goes.


    You guys are so interested in money and what you call research, why don't you do it?

    That would be a conflict of interest. I prefer to remain unconflicted.

    Now, if anyone wants to claim I have a conflcit of interest, they should feel free to prove where I
    get funds from.

    I do not need to, I already have sufficient evidence for my

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    needs.

  11. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    >
    > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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    > > "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004"


    <[email hidden]>

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    wrote
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    > > > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If


    not,

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    why?

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    > > Might
    > > > > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with


    such?

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    > >
    > > > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in


    China?

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    > > > Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be
    readily
    > > > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the


    flu

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    > > pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or


    do

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    you

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    > read
    > > differently than the rest of the English speaking world?
    > You
    > > are sputtering by the way.
    >
    > Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the


    evidence

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    is

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    > just the contrary.
    >
    > You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in


    China.

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    >
    > Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any


    special

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    > treatment or dealing with the flu.
    >
    > Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?
    >
    >
    >
    Then why did you say that I made a claim? As for implications, you may read into it what you
    want. And it is


    evident

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    that you do a lot of "reading into" We are TOLD that many strains originate in China. You, nor
    I, do not


    KNOW

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    that to be true. Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely originated in some lab
    somewhere far from China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not doing well in this
    debate, perhaps you should drop it.

    Actually, I am. I have just shown how you weasel and write for


    deniability.

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    M-O-F.

    Thank you for playing.


    Too late marki, you lost the debate a few posts back.

    Only you would "think" that.

    Again, thanks for playing.

  12. "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 30, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > >
    > > > "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004"


    <[email hidden]>

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    > wrote
    > > > in message


    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If


    not,

    Quoted message said:
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    why?
    > > > Might
    > > > > > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with


    such?

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    > > >
    > > > > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim


    in

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    China?
    > > > > Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to


    be

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    > readily
    > > > > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about


    the

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    flu

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    > > > pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or


    do

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    you
    > > read
    > > > differently than the rest of the English speaking world?
    > > You
    > > > are sputtering by the way.
    > >
    > > Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the


    evidence

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    is
    > > just the contrary.
    > >
    > > You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in

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    China.
    > >
    > > Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any


    special

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    > > treatment or dealing with the flu.
    > >
    > > Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Then why did you say that I made a claim? As for implications, you may read into it what you
    > want. And it is


    evident

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    > that you do a lot of "reading into" We are TOLD that many strains originate in China. You,
    > nor I, do not


    KNOW

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    > that to be true. Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely originated in some lab
    > somewhere far


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not doing well in this debate, perhaps you
    > should drop it.

    Actually, I am. I have just shown how you weasel and write for


    deniability.

    Quoted message said:


    M-O-F.

    Thank you for playing.


    Too late marki, you lost the debate a few posts back.

    Only you would "think" that.

    Again, thanks for playing.


    Ah, the little boy, marki, wants to have the last word, so to go to bed tonight believing he won
    something. Sleep tight sweetums.

  13. mdd said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might it be that the
    Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a claim
    that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so"
    is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It looks
    like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu problem, you
    "win". If someone does point out that China had a flu problem, you can say you never made the claim
    in the first place. Absolutely brilliant. Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    Sir, I salute you.

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so, what would be a proper course
    of treatment?

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jojo said:
    mdd said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might it be that the
    > Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a claim
    that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so"
    is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
    looks like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu problem, you
    "win". If someone does point out that China had a flu problem, you can say you never made the claim
    in the first place. Absolutely brilliant. Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    Sir, I salute you.

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so, what would be a proper course
    of treatment?

    The first line of defense is urine therapy.

    If that doesn't work, repeated blows to the head with a fireplace poker would be my recommendation.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  15. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:
    mdd said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might it be that the
    > > Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a
    > claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    >
    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
    looks like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu problem,
    you "win". If someone does point out that


    China

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had a flu problem, you can say you never made the claim in the first place. Absolutely brilliant.
    Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    Sir, I salute you.

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so, what would be a proper
    course of treatment?

    The first line of defense is urine therapy.

    If that doesn't work, repeated blows to the head with a fireplace poker would be my
    recommendation.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    ?????????????

  16. "Jojo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    mdd said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might it be that the
    > Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a
    claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
    looks like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu problem,
    you "win". If someone does point out that China had a flu problem, you can say you never made the
    claim in the first place. Absolutely brilliant. Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    I was attempting to draw out mdd's intellectual dishonesty, and I did. Thank you for pointing it
    out as well.

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    Sir, I salute you.

    mdd deserves a 21 anus salute.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so, what would be a proper course
    of treatment?

    First, mdd would have to find s/h/it's mind.

  17. "Mark ProbertJanuary 31, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jojo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pan.2004.01.31.16.05.56.248401@an-
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    mdd said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not,


    why?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Might it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    > Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in


    China?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    >
    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
    looks like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu problem,
    you "win". If someone does point out that


    China

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had a flu problem, you can say you never made the claim in the first place. Absolutely
    brilliant. Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    I was attempting to draw out mdd's intellectual dishonesty, and I did.


    Thank

    Quoted message said:

    you for pointing it out as well.

    Quoted message said:

    Sir, I salute you.

    mdd deserves a 21 anus salute.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so,


    what

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would be a proper course of treatment?

    First, mdd would have to find s/h/it's mind.


    Wow! I had never witnessed someone giving themselves a BJ online before you MARK. Bravo! Do it some
    more. Will you sell a video of it?

  18. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 31, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jojo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pan.2004.01.31.16.05.56.248401@an-
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    On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:36 -0600, mdd wrote:

    > "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not,


    why?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > Might it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?
    >
    >> Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in


    China?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

    Quoted message said:

    >> available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.
    >>
    > Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the


    flu

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it.

    Oh my god, that's good. If no one called you on your implication that China had no flu
    problem, you "win". If someone does point out that


    China

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had a flu problem, you can say you never made the claim in the first place. Absolutely
    brilliant. Clinton would be proud. Absolute deniability.

    I was attempting to draw out mdd's intellectual dishonesty, and I did.


    Thank

    Quoted message said:

    you for pointing it out as well.

    Quoted message said:

    Sir, I salute you.

    mdd deserves a 21 anus salute.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, did anyone hear about mmd having mental problems? If so,


    what

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would be a proper course of treatment?

    First, mdd would have to find s/h/it's mind.


    Wow! I had never witnessed someone giving themselves a BJ online before


    you

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    MARK. Bravo! Do it some more. Will you sell a video of it?

    If Jan Drew is not a total hypocrite, she will condemn you for your bad talk.

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