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  1. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic, while suffering the
    "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke, as you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Maybe people experiencing influenza would much rather stay at home in bed than go to a
    chiropractor's office. And I suspect those chiropractic patients who are there for treatment of
    idiopathic back pain (for which there's a bit of evidence that chiropractic is helpful) are rather
    glad that the flu patients don't show up.

  2. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
    >id:


    <[email hidden]

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    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and homeopathy has only ever
    >done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran
    >

    *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    *significant* *credibile* *compelling*

    ZZzz.

    Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    believe it.

    God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he


    would

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    still be doubtful.

    Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

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    Jan


    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic,

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    while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke, as you have NO evidence to
    the contrary.

    Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients with the flu recover with no
    active treatment. Am I to take it that in your brand of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was
    treated with Chiropractic" and they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved
    their life?

    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal manipulation reduces mortality
    from the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are even very few chiropractors
    daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran

  3. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:22086-401705ED-108@storefull-
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    > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
    >
    > Of course not.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Bronsing
    >
    Please provide proof for your statement.

    (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).

    This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and whined when ask for proof of
    it's assertions.

    IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet Hypocrisy.


    Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the


    proof,

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    if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you are.

  4. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

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    it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

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    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a claim
    that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is
    not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It looks
    like I asked a question about it. Or do you read differently than the rest of the English speaking
    world? You are sputtering by the way.

  5. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic, while suffering the
    "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke, as you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Maybe people experiencing influenza would much rather stay at home in bed than go to a
    chiropractor's office. And I suspect those chiropractic patients who are there for treatment of
    idiopathic back pain (for which there's a bit of evidence that chiropractic is helpful) are rather
    glad that the flu patients don't show up.


    I take it that your answer is "no" then?

  6. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message



    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040128165944.28530.00001003@mb-
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    > >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
    > >id:
    >


    <[email hidden]

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    > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and homeopathy has only
    > >ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
    > >Peter Moran
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    >
    > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    >
    > ZZzz.
    >
    > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    > believe it.
    >
    > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise,


    he

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    would
    > still be doubtful.
    >
    > Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran
    >
    > Jan


    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic,

    Quoted message said:

    while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke,


    as

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    Quoted message said:

    you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients with


    the

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    flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your brand of "science", if I had
    "seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic" and they did not die, I would have to conclude
    that chiropractice saved their life?

    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal manipulation reduces mortality from
    the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are even very few chiropractors
    daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran


    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find out. How convenient.

  7. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > > <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:22086-401705ED-108@storefull-
    > > 3132.bay.webtv.net...
    > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
    > >
    > > Of course not.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Robert Bronsing
    > >
    > Please provide proof for your statement.

    (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).

    This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

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    when ask for proof of it's assertions.

    IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet Hypocrisy.


    Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the


    proof,

    Quoted message said:

    if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you are.


    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion. Your buttbuddies have been making absolute statements and I
    asked for proof. Much like you and your "buddies" have been doing here for some time. As I said
    "goose, gander.

  8. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a claim
    that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so"
    is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It looks
    like I asked a question about it. Or do you


    read

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    differently than the rest of the English speaking world?


    You

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    are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence is just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in China.

    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any special treatment or dealing
    with the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?

  9. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > >
    > > > <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:22086-401705ED-108@storefull-
    > > > 3132.bay.webtv.net...
    > > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
    > > >
    > > > Of course not.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Robert Bronsing
    > > >
    > > Please provide proof for your statement.
    >
    > (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).
    >
    > This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > when ask for proof of it's assertions.
    >
    > IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet Hypocrisy.
    >
    >
    >
    Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the


    proof,

    Quoted message said:

    if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you are.


    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion.

    That is a lie. I asked you several times to back up claims that you made, and you engaged in the
    typical alt-know-nothing whine, weasel and wiggle, and, nothing has changed.

    Your buttbuddies have been making

    Quoted message said:

    absolute statements and I asked for proof. Much like you and your


    "buddies"

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    have been doing here for some time. As I said "goose, gander.

    Whatever you say is of no import, simply because you back up nothing you say. Sort of like a case of
    flatulence in a hurricane.

  10. Uh huh.
    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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    > "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > >
    > > > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

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    > > > > <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:22086-401705ED-108@storefull-
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    > > > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
    > > > >
    > > > > Of course not.
    > > > >
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    > > > > --
    > > > > Robert Bronsing
    > > > >
    > > > Please provide proof for your statement.
    > >
    > > (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).
    > >
    > > This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

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    > > when ask for proof of it's assertions.
    > >
    > > IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet


    Hypocrisy.

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    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the
    proof,
    > if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you


    are.

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:


    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion.

    That is a lie. I asked you several times to back up claims that you made, and you engaged in the
    typical alt-know-nothing whine, weasel and wiggle, and, nothing has changed.

    Your buttbuddies have been making

    Quoted message said:

    absolute statements and I asked for proof. Much like you and your


    "buddies"

    Quoted message said:

    have been doing here for some time. As I said "goose, gander.

    Whatever you say is of no import, simply because you back up nothing you say. Sort of like a case
    of flatulence in a hurricane.

  11. Quoted message said:

    The paragraph from Dr. Harte's "essay" concerning the 1918 Influenza
    Epidemic:

    "The Great Pandemic of 1918 ws the greatest plague of modern times. It is estimated to have killed
    between 25 million and 40 million people worldwide, about half a million in this country. History
    shows us that those under chiropractic car during the flu pandemic had a far better chance of
    survival. One example: medical doctors in Davenport Iowa treated 93,590 patients, with 6,116 deaths---
    in other words 1 out of 15 succumbed to the flu. At The Palmer College of Chiropractic in
    Davenport, 1635 flu cases were adjustd, with only one fatility. Outside of Davenport, chiropractors
    adjusted 4,735 flu cases, wit only six deaths--1 out of 866. In 1919, Palmer published "The Flu &
    You". The ratio of flu cases cared for versus deaths wee as follw: Medical care: 1 out of 17 died.
    Osteopathic care: 1 out of 36 died. Chiropractic care: 1 out of 886."

    My research: According to te 1920 US census, Iowa had a population of
    2.4 million citizens, while Davenport, Iowa had a population of approximately 54,000. Although I
    can't find how many "medical doctors" practiced in Davenport in 1918, it seems like it would have
    had to have been a pretty large number to "see" 93,590 patients over a perhaps a five month
    period, with the majority of cases popping up in maybe only three of those five months.

    Additionally, according to a recent article in the Des Moines, Iowa Register, there were
    approximatly 6,500 deaths attributed to the 1918 Influenza Epidemic in ALL of Iowa. If Dr. Harte's
    figures are correct than Davenport would have had to have been the "epicenter" of that calamity,
    with only 2% of the population, but 94% of the deaths.

    Now you know exactly how easy it is to fool some people. Jan Drew and her loathsome ilk can't be
    bothered to check for plausibility much less accuracy. All you need to do is repeat the lie enough
    and it takes on a life of its own. Its also the reason they so greatly resent anyone challenging
    their assertions, they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical
    examination like a kleenex at a snot party.

  12. "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    at a snot party.


    At last! something that you know about.

  13. (Ilsa9) said:

    they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical examination like a kleenex
    at a snot party.

    a vivid metaphor
    --

    "I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
    -Yoshimo

  14. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Will a Chiropractic "Adjustment"... From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date:
    1/28/2004 8:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:

    <[email hidden]

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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id:

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    <[email hidden]


    u

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    <snip>

    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and homeopathy has only ever
    >done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran
    >

    *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    *significant* *credibile* *compelling*

    ZZzz.

    Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    believe it.

    God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he


    would

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    still be doubtful.

    Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

    Nope, not OK. My beliefs are not nutty, but you are wrong in stating no cliniical studies have
    been done.

    We add another organized medicine post from you.

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    Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran

    Not true.

    tinyurl.com2qpfw

    Jan, this is rubbish. I have yet to see a properly designed prospective trial performed by
    chiropractors on any medical condition. All chiropractic research is targeted at promoting
    chiropractic, not getting at the truth. If you can find a good study, post it.

    Peter Moran

  15. "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    (Ilsa9) said:

    they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical examination like a
    kleenex at a snot party.

    a vivid metaphor


    Spoken like a true blue booger man.

  16. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Subject: Re: Will a Chiropractic "Adjustment"... From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden] Date:
    1/28/2004 8:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:


    <[email hidden]

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    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040128165944.28530.00001003@mb-
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    <[email hidden]


    u

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    > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and homeopathy has only ever
    > >done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
    > >Peter Moran
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    > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    >
    > ZZzz.
    >
    > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    > believe it.
    >
    > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he
    would
    > still be doubtful.
    >
    > Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

    Nope, not OK. My beliefs are not nutty, but you are wrong in stating no cliniical studies have
    been done.

    We add another organized medicine post from you.

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    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
    > >Peter Moran

    Not true.

    tinyurl.com2qpfw

    Jan, this is rubbish. I have yet to see a properly designed prospective trial performed by
    chiropractors on any medical condition. All chiropractic research is targeted at promoting
    chiropractic, not getting


    at

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    the truth. If you can find a good study, post it.

    Peter Moran


    So in your opinion, Chiropractic uses the very same trial and promotion techniques as the drug
    cartel. Nice.

  17. Yet one more historical note on the 1918 World-Wide Influenza Pandemic:

    The Homeopathic community has also always claimed extreme success in that epidemic (now apparently
    along with chiropractory), though their models of choice were a city in Connecticut & one in
    Illinois, rather than Davenport, Iowa. Apparently, it was claimed that nobody (or almost nobody)
    died who was homeopathically treated. (I forget the name of diluted potion they use for the flu even
    to this day).

    However, by far, that 1918 epidemic hit India the hardest, killing about 20 million people.
    Interestingly, India had (& continues to have) a HUGE HUGE homeopathic tradition with dispenseries
    all over that country, from the smallest villages to the largest cities since the early 1900's,
    which certainly would have been in place in 1918. I have to wonder what went wrong.

  18. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yet one more historical note on the 1918 World-Wide Influenza Pandemic:

    The Homeopathic community has also always claimed extreme success in that epidemic (now apparently
    along with chiropractory), though their models of choice were a city in Connecticut & one in
    Illinois, rather than Davenport, Iowa. Apparently, it was claimed that nobody (or almost nobody)
    died who was homeopathically treated. (I forget the name of diluted potion they use for the flu
    even to this day).

    However, by far, that 1918 epidemic hit India the hardest, killing about 20 million people.
    Interestingly, India had (& continues to have) a HUGE HUGE homeopathic tradition with dispenseries
    all over that country, from the smallest villages to the largest cities since the early 1900's,
    which certainly would have been in place in 1918. I have to wonder what went wrong.


    Money? Competing with the other "healing" methods present at the time?

  19. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

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    > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

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    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China? Remember, this is a
    claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


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    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu pandemic in China? It
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    are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence is just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in China.

    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any special treatment or dealing with
    the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?


    Then why did you say that I made a claim? As for implications, you may read into it what you want.
    And it is evident that you do a lot of "reading into" We are TOLD that many strains originate in
    China. You, nor I, do not KNOW that to be true. Who said "special"? Sars may have just as likely
    originated in some lab somewhere far from China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure. You are not doing
    well in this debate, perhaps you should drop it.

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    > > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies,


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    > > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so,


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    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with


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    Peter Moran


    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find out. How convenient.

    It's a waste of time to test totally implausible hypotheses. But, if you want to do the tests, I'm
    sure the NCCAM will give you money if you write a grant.

    --
    Robert Bronsing

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