Wikipedia for Tom Patey

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:52:02 GMT, "Nick \(Scots\)" <[email hidden]>

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Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?

Dr. Tom Patey: prolly best to give him his correct title, maybe
written as Tom Patey, Dr.

Not sure, tbh, what the consensus would be on this one. Perhaps
because you're compiling a reference work on the man it should err on
the side of being precise?

--
SteveO

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Quoted message said:

Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?

Dr. Tom Patey: prolly best to give him his correct title, maybe
written as Tom Patey, Dr.

Not sure, tbh, what the consensus would be on this one. Perhaps
because you're compiling a reference work on the man it should err on
the side of being precise?

I'm not compiling it just thought someone may have a bit more
detail, since I have limited knowledge of the facts.

Nick

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:08:43 +0000, SteveO wrote:

| On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:52:02 GMT, "Nick \(Scots\)" <[email hidden]>
| wrote:
|
| >
| >Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?
|
| Dr. Tom Patey: prolly best to give him his correct title, maybe
| written as Tom Patey, Dr.

No it is usually Dr. Tom Patey or Tom Patey PhD.
Assuming that he had a PhD and was not a medical Doctor.
The whole thing is a minefield, so it would be best to find out why he
called himself Dr.
--
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Have a happy new year, with correctly placed punctuation...

T.
Look, I know that my initial shouldn't have a full point after it either,
but that's there for emphasis, OK? It isn't just an initial, it's a
signature, dammit it it's almost art, am I to be denied my right of free
artistic expression, do I have to be consistent and rigorous in everything I
do and most importantly of all, where have you put my medicine?

Dried frog pills? Coming right up.

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Ah, it's there. That's better.

Now then, lie back and relax... that's it... no, I'll take the plastic
picnic knife if you don't mind... well done.
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:08:43 +0000, SteveO wrote:

| On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:52:02 GMT, "Nick \(Scots\)" <[email hidden]>
| wrote:
|
| >
| >Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?
|
| Dr. Tom Patey: prolly best to give him his correct title, maybe
| written as Tom Patey, Dr.

No it is usually Dr. Tom Patey or Tom Patey PhD.
Assuming that he had a PhD and was not a medical Doctor.
The whole thing is a minefield, so it would be best to find out why he
called himself Dr.

He was a GP, hence Dr Patey. Get hold of his book One Man's Mountains.

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Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?

Anyone can edit it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Patey

Has anyone edited it then ????

Nick

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Can anyone fill in the gaps on this entry for TP ?

Anyone can edit it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Patey

Has anyone edited it then ????

Nick

Why would anyone bother to edit the Wiki entry? You may have gotten a
better response from u.r.climbing since Dr Patey (a GP) was also a
prolific climber who died in an abseiling accident.

Chris pointed you to your best source of info - One Man's Mountains,
written by Tom Patey (well, assembled by his wife from his writings). A
good read, too.

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Mark Anderson/Scottish Climbing Archive
Email: maa [AT] scotclimb.org.uk
WWW: www.scotclimb.org.uk

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Mark Anderson said:

Why would anyone bother to edit the Wiki entry? You may have gotten a
better response from u.r.climbing since Dr Patey (a GP) was also a
prolific climber who died in an abseiling accident.

I vaguely remember his death, wasn't a karabiner gate opening reckoned
to have been the cause? I do remember people arguing about the safety
of soloing at the time so assume he was alone?

AJH

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Mark Anderson said:

Why would anyone bother to edit the Wiki entry? You may have gotten a
better response from u.r.climbing since Dr Patey (a GP) was also a
prolific climber who died in an abseiling accident.

I vaguely remember his death, wasn't a karabiner gate opening reckoned
to have been the cause? I do remember people arguing about the safety
of soloing at the time so assume he was alone?

When abseiling you are always 'alone' as there is only one person on the
rope at once... I can't remember what the details were - something
about catching his jumper comes to mind but might be quite wrong.

Abseiling *should* be safe but he's not the only person to die that way.
What does surprise me is it being offered as an 'adventure activity' in
which context it's done in the most unadventurous way possible. It also
always bothers me that some 'bright spark' might decide to relive their
experience using their mother's washing line (if such things still
exist!) and a dubious anchor.

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net

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Why would anyone bother to edit the Wiki entry? You may have gotten a
better response from u.r.climbing since Dr Patey (a GP) was also a
prolific climber who died in an abseiling accident.

Because that's the point, anyone edits wikipedia.

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Chris pointed you to your best source of info - One Man's Mountains,
written by Tom Patey (well, assembled by his wife from his writings). A
good read, too.

I was only expecting a couple of lines.

Oh well.

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Abseiling *should* be safe but he's not the only person to die that way.
What does surprise me is it being offered as an 'adventure activity' in
which context it's done in the most unadventurous way possible. It also
always bothers me that some 'bright spark' might decide to relive their
experience using their mother's washing line (if such things still
exist!) and a dubious anchor.

Abbing terrifies me. Hate it.

Trouble is I like sea cliffs.

Richard Webb

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Why would anyone bother to edit the Wiki entry? You may have gotten a
better response from u.r.climbing since Dr Patey (a GP) was also a
prolific climber who died in an abseiling accident.

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I vaguely remember his death, wasn't a karabiner gate opening reckoned
to have been the cause? I do remember people arguing about the safety
of soloing at the time so assume he was alone?

ISTR reading that he was abseiling using a homemade figure of eight
descendeur which unfortunately for him failed.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year nothing

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When abseiling you are always 'alone' as there is only one person on the
rope at once... I can't remember what the details were - something
about catching his jumper comes to mind but might be quite wrong.

Quoted message said:

Abseiling *should* be safe but he's not the only person to die that way.
What does surprise me is it being offered as an 'adventure activity' in
which context it's done in the most unadventurous way possible. It also
always bothers me that some 'bright spark' might decide to relive their
experience using their mother's washing line (if such things still
exist!) and a dubious anchor.

I think you will find that 'adventure abseiling' has the adventure taken
out of it by the use of a safety rope.

All the abseiling I have seen in recent years (which is not much) seems
to consist of tip toeing downwards. The days of bouncing happily down in
giant steps seem long gone. :-)

--
Roger Chapman so far this year nothing

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:55:40 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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ISTR reading that he was abseiling using a homemade figure of eight
descendeur which unfortunately for him failed.

I well remember some brass figure of eight descendeurs that were
condemned for fatigue failure.

At the time of this accident I had been taught classic abseil with no
aids and used to practice it. The first time I heard the term "anus"
used in a derogatory way was when I omitted to check the rope was
looped in the middle, some swift overhand work was required to reach a
suitable stance about 40ft from the ground!

The thing I thought I remembered was that it was a decendeur
improvised from 2 or 3 karabiners, at the time there were a number of
these methods, the fat aluminium figure of eights were new to me, and
very expensive.

AJH

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ISTR reading that he was abseiling using a homemade figure of eight
descendeur which unfortunately for him failed.

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I well remember some brass figure of eight descendeurs that were
condemned for fatigue failure.

Not come across that but I do have a copy of a report somewhere on
problems with aluminium krabs.

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At the time of this accident I had been taught classic abseil with no
aids and used to practice it. The first time I heard the term "anus"
used in a derogatory way was when I omitted to check the rope was
looped in the middle, some swift overhand work was required to reach a
suitable stance about 40ft from the ground!

Back in the dim and distant past (middle 60s) I was part of a group that
went to teach boy sprouts how to abseil. Having set up the rope above a
cliff I decided to try (for the first time) a classic abseil but we had
had to place the belay a long way from the cliff edge and that, combined
with my inexperience, led to me going a/t as I exited the horizontal.
Luckily I remained attached to the rope.

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The thing I thought I remembered was that it was a decendeur
improvised from 2 or 3 karabiners, at the time there were a number of
these methods, the fat aluminium figure of eights were new to me, and
very expensive.

I have only used my (then) new fangled figure of 8 the once - abseiling
off Pillar Rock. In times past we used a single Krab clipped into a
sling in a figure of 8 round the legs and the rope over the shoulder
(not that different from the classic abseil). Perfectly safe and a lot
easier than any other option but I suppose a big no-no with todays fancy
jackets.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year nothing
Last year 62 summits
New - 28 (Marilyns 14, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 34 (Marilyns 16, Nuttalls 24, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:38:46 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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I have only used my (then) new fangled figure of 8 the once - abseiling
off Pillar Rock. In times past we used a single Krab clipped into a
sling in a figure of 8 round the legs and the rope over the shoulder
(not that different from the classic abseil). Perfectly safe and a lot
easier than any other option but I suppose a big no-no with todays fancy
jackets.

Yes this is what we did after the classic and before descendeurs, also
tended to be before climbing belts.

The chap that showed us still used multiple loops of thin hemp tied
around the waist, we stuck with simple bowlines. I don't think I
bought a harness till 1970. Which was ok as I didn't peel till then.

AJH

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The chap that showed us still used multiple loops of thin hemp tied
around the waist, we stuck with simple bowlines. I don't think I
bought a harness till 1970. Which was ok as I didn't peel till then.

I still have a hemp waistline somewhere. No idea why I bothered to keep
it. It was a pita to use and I was never convinced it was significantly
better than a no 4 rope round the waist.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year nothing

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No it is usually Dr. Tom Patey or Tom Patey PhD.
Assuming that he had a PhD and was not a medical Doctor.
The whole thing is a minefield, so it would be best to find out why he
called himself Dr.

He was a GP, hence Dr Patey. Get hold of his book One Man's Mountains.

Patey was well known for taking a climbing partner for a quick day out,
leading the route and on reaching the top declaring they had to rush back to
Ullapool for his surgery before the partner could complete the climb.

--
Duncan Gray

The Mountaineering Council of Scotland
www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:18:12 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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I still have a hemp waistline somewhere.

You're supposed to replace them every six months ;-)

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No idea why I bothered to keep
it. It was a pita to use and I was never convinced it was significantly
better than a no 4 rope round the waist.

I still have my hawser laid 12mm, that would be No.4??

It's taken me 30 odd years to use up my bits and bobs, mostly tying
loads onto trailers.

AJH