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    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe
    vaccine is one that is never used." Cowpox vaccine was believed able to immunize people against
    smallpox. At the time this vaccine was introduced, there was already a decline in the number of
    cases of smallpox. Japan introduced compulsory vaccination in 1872. In 1892 there were 165,774
    cases of smallpox with 29,979 deaths despite the vaccination program. Much of the success
    attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public health
    related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better nutrition, and
    higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly declining before
    the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of polio had decreased by
    82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.

    In the early 1900s an astute Indiana physician, Dr. W.B. Clarke, stated "Cancer was practically
    unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal
    with two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated[1] person."

    There is a widely held belief that vaccines should not be criticized because the public might refuse
    to take them. This is valid only if the benefits exceed the known risks of the vaccines.

    Do Vaccines Actually Prevent Disease?

    This important question does not appear to have ever been adequately studied. Vaccines are
    enormously profitable for drug companies and recent legislation in the U.S. has exempted lawsuits
    against pharmaceutical firms in the event of adverse reactions to vaccines which are very common. In
    1975 Germany stopped requiring pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination. Today less than 10% of German
    children are vaccinated against pertussis. The number of cases of pertussis has steadily
    decreased[2] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine.

    Measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination rates over 98% in all parts of the U.S.
    including areas that had reported no cases of measles for years. As measles immunization rates rise
    to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons. An outbreak of measles
    occurred in a school where 100% of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality rates had
    declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted.

    In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90% of these cases occurred in children who
    had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia where
    pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains endemic[3] in
    the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96% of children have received 3 pertussis shots by age
    12 months.

    After institution of diptheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from
    diptheria rose by 20% in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The
    rate of diptheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have compulsory
    vaccination, had only 50 cases of diptheria the same year.

    The continued presence of these infectious diseases in children who have received vaccines proves
    that life long immunity which follows natural infection does not occur in persons receiving
    vaccines. The injection process places the viral particles into the blood without providing any
    clear way to eliminate these foreign substances.

    Why Do Vaccines Fail To Protect Against Diseases?

    Walene James, author of Immunization: the Reality Behind The Myth, states that the full[4]
    inflammatory response is necessary to create real immunity. Prior to the introduction of measles and
    mumps vaccines children got measles and mumps and in the great majority of cases these diseases were
    benign. Vaccines "trick" the body so it does not mount a complete inflammatory response to the
    injected virus.

    Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome SIDS

    The incidence of Sudden Infant Death syndrome SIDS has grown from .55 per 1000 live births in 1953
    to 12.8 per 1000 in 1992 in Olmstead County, Minnesota. The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4
    months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in the
    first 6 months of infancy. The increase in SIDS as a percentage of total infant deaths has risen
    from 2.5 per 1000 in 1953 to 17.9 per 1000 in 1992. This rise in SIDS deaths has occurred during a
    period when nearly every childhood disease was declining due to improved sanitation and medical
    progress except SIDS. These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number of
    vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child.

    Ds. W. Torch was able to document 12 deaths in infants which appeared within 3½ and 19 hours of a
    DPT immunization. He later reported 11 new cases of SIDS death and one near miss which had
    occurred within 24 hours of a DPT injection. When he studied 70 cases of SIDS two thirds of
    these victims[5] had been vaccinated from one half day to 3 weeks prior to their deaths. None of
    these deaths was attributed to vaccines. Vaccines are a sacred cow and nothing against them
    appears in the mass media because they are so profitable to pharmaceutical firms.

    There is valid reason to think that not only are vaccines worthless in preventing disease they are
    counterproductive because they injure the immune system permitting cancer, auto-immune diseases and
    SIDS to cause much disability and death.

    Are Vaccines Sterile?

    Dt. Robert Strecker claimed that the department of defense DOD was given $10,000,000 in 1969 to
    create the AIDS virus to be used as a population-reducing[6] weapon against blacks. By use of
    the Freedom of Information Act Dr. Strecker was able to learn that the DOD secured funds from
    Congress to perform studies on immune destroying agents for germ warfare.

    Once produced, the vaccine was given in two locations. Smallpox vaccine containing HIV was given to
    100,000,000 Africans in 1977. Over

    Hepatitis B vaccine that contained HIV virus in 1978. This vaccine was given at New York City Blood
    Center. The Hepatitis B vaccine

    San Francisco, Los Angeles, St.Louis, Houston and Chicago in 1978 and 1979. U.S. Public Health
    epidemiology studies have disclosed that these same 6 cities had the highest incidence of AIDS, Aids
    related Complex (ARC) and deaths rates from HIV, when compared to other U.S. cities.

    When a new virus is introduced into a community. It takes 20 years for the number of cases to
    double. If the fabricated story that green monkey bites of pygmies led to the HIV epidemic, the
    alleged monkey bites in the 1940s should have produced a peak in the incidence of HIV in the 1960s
    at which time HIV was non existent in Africa. The World Health Organization (WHO) began a African
    smallpox vaccination campaign in 1977 that targeted urban population centers and avoided pygmies. If
    the green monkey bites of pygmies truly caused the HIV epidemic the incidence of HIV in pygmies
    should have been higher than in urban citizens. However, the opposite was true.

    In 1954 Dr. Bernice Eddy (bacteriologist) discovered live monkey viruses in supposedly sterile
    inactivated polio vaccine[7] developed by Dr. Jonas Salk. This discovery was not well received at
    the NIH and
    Du. Eddy was demoted. Later Dr. Eddy, working with Sarah Stewart, discovered SE polyoma virus. This
    virus was quite important because it caused cancer in every animal receiving it. Yellow fever
    vaccine had previously been found to contain avian (bird) leukemia virus. Later
    Dv. Hilleman isolated SV 40 virus from both the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines. There were 40
    different viruses[8] in these polio vaccines they were trying to eradicate. They were never able
    to get rid of these viruses ontaminating the polio vaccines. The SV 40 virus causes
    malignancies. It has now been identified in 43 % of cases of non-Hodgekin lymphoma[9] , 36 % of
    brain tumors[10] , 18 % of healthy blood samples, and 22 % of healthy semen samples,
    mesothiolomas and other malignancies. By the time of this discovery SV 40 had already been
    injected into 10,000,000 people in Salk vaccine. Gastric digestion inactivtes some of SV 40 in
    Sabin vaccine. However, the isolation of strains of Sabin polio vaccine from all 38 cases of
    Guillan Barre Syndrome[11] GBS in Brazil suggests that significant numbers of persons are able
    to be infected from this vaccine. All 38 of these patients had received Sabin polio vaccine
    months to years before the onset of GBS. The incidence of non-Hodgekin lymphoma has"mysteriouly"
    doubled since the 1970s.

    Dw. John Martin, Professor of Pathology at the Univ. of Southern California, was employed by the
    Viral Oncology Branch of the Bureau of Biologics (FDA) from 1976 to 1980. While employed there
    he identified foreign DNA in the live polio vaccine Orimune Lederle that suggested serious
    vaccine contamination. He warned his supervisors about this problem and was told to discontinue
    his work as it was outside the scope of testing required for polio vaccine.

    Later Dr. Martin learned that all eleven of the African green monkeys used to grow the Lederle polio
    virus Orimune had grown simian cytomegalovirus from kidney cell cultures. Lederle was aware of this
    viral contamination as their Cytomegaloviral Contamination Plan[12] clearly showed in 1972. The
    Bureau of Biologics decided not to pursue the matter so production of infected polio vaccine
    continued.

    In 1955 Dr. Martin identified unique cell destroying viruses termed stealth viruses in patients with
    chronic fatigue syndrome. These viruses lacked genes that would enable the immune system to
    recognize them. Thus they were protected by the body's failure to develop antiviral antibodies. In
    March of 1995, Dr. Martin learned that some of these stealth viruses had originated from African
    green monkey simian cytomegalovirus of a type known to infect man.

    The Lederle vaccine experience suggests that the higher-ups are not concerned about sloppy and
    dangerous preparation of vaccines. Animal cross infection is a huge unsolved current problem for
    all vaccine manufacturing. If this vaccine production sounds like an unbelievable mess to you, you
    are right.

    The influential Club of Rome has a position paper in which they state that the world population is
    too large and needs to be reduced by 90
    %. This means that 6 billion people must be reduced to 500 to 600
    million. Obviously, creating famines and genocidal wars such as wrecked havoc in Africa, and loosing
    new laboratory-created diseases (HIV, Ebola, Marburg[13] , and probably West Nile virus and SARS)
    can help reduce the population. Other elitist groups (Trilaterals, Bildenbergers) have expressed
    similar concerns about excess people on planet Earth.

    The company that was projected to produce the new smallpox vaccine in the U.S. was in serious
    trouble in England because of unsatisfactory quality of operations before setting up their facility
    in the U.S. Why would their performance here be any better than it was in England?

    If there are important powerful groups of people that are determined to reduce the world population,
    what could be a more diabolically clever way to eliminate people than to inject them with a cancer-
    causing vaccine? The person receiving the injection would never suspect that the vaccine taken 10 to
    15 years earlier had caused the cancer to appear.

    Other Dangers From Vaccines

    In the March 4, 1977 issue of Science Jonas and Darrell Salk warn, "Live virus vaccines against
    influenza or poliomyelitis may in each instance produce the disease it intended to prevent. The live
    virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage).

    The swine flu vaccine was administered to the American public even though there had never been a
    case of swine flu identified in a human. Farmers refused to use the vaccine because it killed too
    many animals. Within a few months of use in humans this vaccine caused many cases of serious nerve
    injury (Guillan Barre syndrome).

    An article in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, 1988 mentioned that all cases of polio since 1979 had
    been caused by the polio vaccine with no known cases of polio from a wild strain since 1979. This
    might have created a perfect situation to discontinue the vaccine, but the vaccine is still given.
    Vaccines are a wonderful source of profits with no risks to the drug companies since vaccine
    injuries are now recompensed by the government.

    The steady escalation in the number of vaccines administered has been followed by an identical rise
    in the incidence of auto-immune diseases (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus,
    psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, asthma) seen in children. While there is a genetic transmission of
    some of these diseases many are probably due to the injury from foreign protein particles, mercury,
    aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxic agents injected in vaccines.

    In 1999, the rotavirus vaccine was recommended by the Center for Disease Control for all infants.
    When this vaccine program was instituted several infants died and many had life endangering bowel
    obstructions. Obviously, there was no evidence that this vaccine would cause such serious problems
    before the vaccine was released for usage. Children's vaccines are not studied for toxicity possibly
    because such study might eliminate them from being used.

    A large study from Australia showed that the risk of developing encephalitis from the pertussis
    vaccine was 5 times greater than the risk of developing encephalitis by contacting pertussis by
    natural methods.

    Naturally acquired immunity by illness evolves by spread of a virus from the respiratory tract to
    the liver, thymus, spleen, and bone marrow. When symptoms begin, the entire immune response has been
    mobilized to repel the invading virus. This complex immune system response creates antibodies that
    confer life long immunity against that invading virus and prepares the child to respond promptly to
    an infection by the same virus in the future.

    Vaccination, in contrast, results in the persisting of live virus or other foreign antigens within
    the cells of the body, a situation that may provoke auto-immune reactions as the body attempts to
    destroy its own infected cells. There is no surprise that the incidence of auto-immune diseases
    (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, asthma, psoriasis) has
    risen sharply in this era of multiple vaccine immunization.

    Vaccine Induced Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus

    Dx. John Classen has published 29 articles on vaccine-induced[14] diabetes. At least 8 of 10
    children with Type 1 (insulin needing) diabetes have this disease as a result of vaccination.
    These children may have avoided measles, mumps, and whooping cough but they have received
    something far worse: an illness that shortens life expectancy by 10 to 15 years and results in a
    life requiring constant medical care.

    Dy. Classen has shown in Finland, the introduction of hemophilus type b vaccine caused three times
    as many cases of type 1 diabetes as the number of deaths and brain damage from hemophilus
    influenza type b it might have prevented.

    In New Zealand, the incidence of Type 1 diabetes in children rose by 61 % after an aggressive
    vaccine program against hepatitis B.. This same program has been started in the U.S.A. so we can now
    look forward to many cases of Type 1 diabetes in children. Similar rises in Type 1 diabetes have
    been seen in England, Italy, Sweden, and Denmark after immunization programs against Hepatitis B.

    Toxic Substances Are Needed To Make Vaccines.

    Vaccines contain many toxic substances that are needed to prevent the vaccines from becoming
    infected or to improve the performance of the vaccine. Among these substances are mercury,
    formaldehyde and aluminum.[15]

    In the past 10 years, the number of autistic children has risen from between 200 and 500 percent in
    every state in the U.S. This sharp rise in autism followed the introduction of measles, mumps and
    rubella vaccine in 1975.

    Representative Dan Burton's healthy grandson was given injections for 9 diseases in one day. These
    injections were instantly followed by autism. These injections contain a preservative of mercury
    called thimerosal. The boy received 41 times the amount of mercury which is capable of harm to the
    body. Mercury is a neurotoxin that can injure the brain and nervous system. And tragically, it did.

    In the United States the number of compulsory vaccine injections has increased from 10 to 36 in the
    last 25 years. During this period, there has been a simultaneous increase in the number of children
    suffering learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder. Some of these childhood disabilities
    are related to intrauterine cerebral damage from maternal cocaine use, but probably vaccines cause
    many of the others.

    Many vaccines contain aluminum. A new disease called macrophagic myofasciitis causes pain in
    muscles, bones and joints. All persons with this disease have received aluminum containing vaccines.
    Deposits of aluminum are able to remain as an irritant in tissues and disturb the immune and nervous
    system for a lifetime.

    Nearly all vaccines contain aluminum and mercury. These metals appear to play an important role in
    the etiology of Alzheimer's Disease. An expert at the 1997 International Vaccine Conference related
    that a person who takes 5 or more annual flu vaccine shots has increased the likelihood of
    developing Alzheimer's Disease by a factor of 10 over the person who has had 2 or fewer flu shots.

    When we take vaccines we are playing a modern version of Russian Roulette. We not only get exposed
    to aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde and foreign cell proteins but we may get simian virus 40 and
    other dangerous viruses which can cause cancer, leukemia and other severe health problems because
    the vaccine pool is contaminated due to careless animal isolation techniques. Congress has protected
    the manufacturers from lawsuits, so dangerous vaccines simply increase profits at no risk to the
    drug companies.

    U.S. children aged 2 months began receiving hepatitis B vaccine in December 2000.No peer-reviewed
    studies of the safety of hepatitis B in this age bracket had been done. Over 36,000 adverse
    reactions with 440 deaths were soon reported but the true incidence is much higher as reporting is
    voluntary so only approximately 10 % of adverse reactions get reported. This means that about 5000
    infants are dying annually from the hepatitis B vaccine. The CDC's Chief of Epidemiology admits that
    the frequency of serious reactions to hepatitis B vaccine is 10

    and by contaminated blood, so the incidence of this disease must be near zero in this age bracket. A
    vaccine expert, Dr. Philip Incao, states that "the conclusion is obvious that the risks[16] of
    hepatitis B vaccination far outweigh the benefits. Once a vaccine is mandated the vaccine
    manufacturer is no longer liable for adverse reactions.

    Dz. W.B. Clarke's important observation that cancer was not found in unvaccinated individuals
    demands an explanation and one now appears forthcoming. All vaccines given over a short period
    of time to an immature immune system deplete the thymus gland (the primary gland involved in
    immune reactions) of irreplaceable immature immune cells. Each of these cells could have
    multiplied and developed into an army of valuable cells to combat infection and growth of
    abnormal cells. When these immune cells have been used up, permanent immunity may not appear.
    The Arthur Research Foundation in Tucson, Arizona estimates that up to 60 % of our immune system
    may be exhausted[17] by multiple mass vaccines (36 are now required for children). Only 10 % of
    immune cells are permanently lost when a child is permitted to develop natural immunity from
    disease. There needs to be grave concern about these immune system injuring vaccinations! Could
    the persons who approve these mass vaccinations know that they are impairing the health of these
    children, many of whom are being doomed to requiring much medical care in the future?

    Compelling evidence is available that the development of the immune system after contracting the
    usual childhood diseases matures and renders it capable to fight infection and malignant cells in
    the future.

    The use of multiple vaccines, which prevents natural immunity, promotes the development of allergies
    and asthma. A New Zealand study disclosed that 23 % of vaccinated children develop asthma , as
    compared to zero in unvaccinated children.

    Cancer was a very rare illness in the 1890's. This evidence about immune system injury from
    vaccinating affords a plausible explanation for Dr. Clarke's finding that only vaccinated
    individuals got cancer. Some radical adverse change in health occurred in the early 1900s to permit
    cancer to explode and vaccinating appears to be the reason.

    Vaccines are an unnatural phenomena. My guess is that if enough persons said no to immunizations
    there would be a striking improvement in general health with nature back in the immunizing business
    instead of man. Having a child vaccinated should be a choice not a requirement. Medical and
    religious exemptions are permitted by most states.

    When governmental policies require vaccinations before children enter schools coercion has overruled
    the lack of evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety. There is no proof that vaccines work and they
    are never studied for safety before release. My opinion is that there is overwhelming evidence that
    vaccines are dangerous and the only reason for their existence is to increase profits of
    pharmaceutical firms.

    If you are forced to immunize your children so they can enter school, obtain a notarized statement
    from the director of the facility that they will accept full financial responsibility for any
    adverse reaction from the vaccine. Since there is at least a 2 percent risk of a serious adverse
    reaction they may be smart enough to permit your child to escape a dangerous procedure. Recent
    legislation passed by Congress gives the government the power to imprison persons refusing to take
    vaccines (smallpox, anthrax, etc). This would be troublesome to enforce if large numbers of citizens
    declined to be vaccinated at the same time.

    Footnotes:

    1 Mullins Eustace Murder by Injection pg 132 The National Council for Medical research, P. O. Box
    1105, Staunton, Virginia 24401 2 Gary Null Interview with Dr. Dean Black April 7, 1995 3 de Melker
    HE, et al Pertussis in the Netherlands: an outbreak despite high levels of immunization with whole-
    cell vaccine Emerging Infectious Diseases 1997; 3(2): 175-8 Centers for Disease Control 4 Gary Null
    Interview with Walene James, April 6, 1995 5 Torch WS Diptheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT)
    immunizations: a potential cause of the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) Neurology 1982; 32-4
    A169 abstract. 6 Collin Jonathan The Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients 1988 abstracted in
    Horowitz L. Emerging Viruses Aids & Ebola pg 1-5 7 Harris RJ et al Contaminant viruses in two live
    vaccines produced in chick cells.J Hyg (London) 1966 Mar:64(1) : 1-7 8 Horowitz Leonard G. Emerging
    Viruses AIDS & Ebola pg 484 9 Vilchez RA et al Association between simian virus 40 and non-Hodgekin
    lymphoma Lancet 2002 Mar 9;359(9309):817-823 10 Bu X A study of simian virus 40 infection and its
    origin in human brain tumors Zhonghu Liu Xing Bing Xue Zhi 2000 Feb;21 (1):19-21 11 Friedrich F. et
    al temporal association between the isolation of Sabin-related poliovirus vaccine strains and the
    Guillan-Barre syndrome Rev Inst Med Trop Sao Paulo 1996 Jan-Feb; 38(1):55-8 12 Horowitz Leonard
    Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola pg 492 13 Horowitz Leonard G Emerging Viruses: Aids & Ebola pg 378-
    88 Tetrahedron Inc. Suite 147, 206 North 4th Ave. Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 1-888-508-4787
    [email hidden] 14 Classen, JB et al. Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine BMJ
    1999; 319:1133 15 Brain 9/01 16 Incao, philip M.D. Letter to representative Dale Van Vyven, Ohio
    House of Representatives March 1, 1999 provided to www.garynull.com by The Natural Immunity
    Information Network 17 Rowen Robert Your first consultation with Dr. Rowen pg 20

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  2. Yeah!! Don't take no vaccines or drink no wine coolers or Zima. They may contain mind control drugs
    that make it easy for that International Space Station to control you with mind control waves!!
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    newswithviews.comjames.htm

    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe
    vaccine is one that is never used." Cowpox vaccine was believed able to immunize people
    against smallpox. At the time this vaccine was introduced, there was already a decline in the
    number of cases of smallpox. Japan introduced compulsory vaccination in 1872. In 1892 there
    were 165,774 cases of smallpox with 29,979 deaths despite the vaccination program. Much of the
    success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public
    health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better
    nutrition, and higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly
    declining before the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of
    polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.

    In the early 1900s an astute Indiana physician, Dr. W.B. Clarke, stated "Cancer was practically
    unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to
    deal with two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated[1]
    person."

    There is a widely held belief that vaccines should not be criticized because the public might
    refuse to take them. This is valid only if the benefits exceed the known risks of the vaccines.

    Do Vaccines Actually Prevent Disease?

    This important question does not appear to have ever been adequately studied. Vaccines are
    enormously profitable for drug companies and recent legislation in the U.S. has exempted lawsuits
    against pharmaceutical firms in the event of adverse reactions to vaccines which are very common.
    In 1975 Germany stopped requiring pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination. Today less than 10% of
    German children are vaccinated against pertussis. The number of cases of pertussis has steadily
    decreased[2] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine.

    Measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination rates over 98% in all parts of the
    U.S. including areas that had reported no cases of measles for years. As measles immunization
    rates rise to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons. An outbreak
    of measles occurred in a school where 100% of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality
    rates had declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted.

    In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90% of these cases occurred in children
    who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia
    where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains
    endemic[3] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96% of children have received 3
    pertussis shots by age 12 months.

    After institution of diptheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from
    diptheria rose by 20% in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The
    rate of diptheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have
    compulsory vaccination, had only 50 cases of diptheria the same year.

    The continued presence of these infectious diseases in children who have received vaccines proves
    that life long immunity which follows natural infection does not occur in persons receiving
    vaccines. The injection process places the viral particles into the blood without providing any
    clear way to eliminate these foreign substances.

    Why Do Vaccines Fail To Protect Against Diseases?

    Walene James, author of Immunization: the Reality Behind The Myth, states that the full[4]
    inflammatory response is necessary to create real immunity. Prior to the introduction of measles
    and mumps vaccines children got measles and mumps and in the great majority of cases these
    diseases were benign. Vaccines "trick" the body so it does not mount a complete inflammatory
    response to the injected virus.

    Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome SIDS

    The incidence of Sudden Infant Death syndrome SIDS has grown from .55 per 1000 live births in 1953
    to 12.8 per 1000 in 1992 in Olmstead County, Minnesota. The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4
    months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in
    the first 6 months of infancy. The increase in SIDS as a percentage of total infant deaths has
    risen from 2.5 per 1000 in 1953 to 17.9 per 1000 in 1992. This rise in SIDS deaths has occurred
    during a period when nearly every childhood disease was declining due to improved sanitation and
    medical progress except SIDS. These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number
    of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child.

    Dr. W. Torch was able to document 12 deaths in infants which appeared within 3½ and 19 hours of a
    DPT immunization. He later reported 11 new cases of SIDS death and one near miss which had
    occurred within 24 hours of a DPT injection. When he studied 70 cases of SIDS two thirds of
    these victims[5] had been vaccinated from one half day to 3 weeks prior to their deaths. None
    of these deaths was attributed to vaccines. Vaccines are a sacred cow and nothing against them
    appears in the mass media because they are so profitable to pharmaceutical firms.

    There is valid reason to think that not only are vaccines worthless in preventing disease they are
    counterproductive because they injure the immune system permitting cancer, auto-immune diseases
    and SIDS to cause much disability and death.

    Are Vaccines Sterile?

    Dr. Robert Strecker claimed that the department of defense DOD was given $10,000,000 in 1969 to
    create the AIDS virus to be used as a population-reducing[6] weapon against blacks. By use of
    the Freedom of Information Act Dr. Strecker was able to learn that the DOD secured funds from
    Congress to perform studies on immune destroying agents for germ warfare.

    Once produced, the vaccine was given in two locations. Smallpox vaccine containing HIV was given
    to 100,000,000 Africans in 1977. Over

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    Hepatitis B vaccine that contained HIV virus in 1978. This vaccine was given at New York City
    Blood Center. The Hepatitis B vaccine

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    San Francisco, Los Angeles, St.Louis, Houston and Chicago in 1978 and 1979. U.S. Public Health
    epidemiology studies have disclosed that these same 6 cities had the highest incidence of AIDS,
    Aids related Complex (ARC) and deaths rates from HIV, when compared to other U.S. cities.

    When a new virus is introduced into a community. It takes 20 years for the number of cases to
    double. If the fabricated story that green monkey bites of pygmies led to the HIV epidemic, the
    alleged monkey bites in the 1940s should have produced a peak in the incidence of HIV in the 1960s
    at which time HIV was non existent in Africa. The World Health Organization (WHO) began a African
    smallpox vaccination campaign in 1977 that targeted urban population centers and avoided pygmies.
    If the green monkey bites of pygmies truly caused the HIV epidemic the incidence of HIV in pygmies
    should have been higher than in urban citizens. However, the opposite was true.

    In 1954 Dr. Bernice Eddy (bacteriologist) discovered live monkey viruses in supposedly sterile
    inactivated polio vaccine[7] developed by Dr. Jonas Salk. This discovery was not well received at
    the NIH and
    Dr. Eddy was demoted. Later Dr. Eddy, working with Sarah Stewart, discovered SE polyoma virus.
    This virus was quite important because it caused cancer in every animal receiving it. Yellow
    fever vaccine had previously been found to contain avian (bird) leukemia virus. Later
    Dr. Hilleman isolated SV 40 virus from both the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines. There were 40
    different viruses[8] in these polio vaccines they were trying to eradicate. They were never
    able to get rid of these viruses ontaminating the polio vaccines. The SV 40 virus causes
    malignancies. It has now been identified in 43 % of cases of non-Hodgekin lymphoma[9] , 36 %
    of brain tumors[10] , 18 % of healthy blood samples, and 22 % of healthy semen samples,
    mesothiolomas and other malignancies. By the time of this discovery SV 40 had already been
    injected into 10,000,000 people in Salk vaccine. Gastric digestion inactivtes some of SV 40 in
    Sabin vaccine. However, the isolation of strains of Sabin polio vaccine from all 38 cases of
    Guillan Barre Syndrome[11] GBS in Brazil suggests that significant numbers of persons are able
    to be infected from this vaccine. All 38 of these patients had received Sabin polio vaccine
    months to years before the onset of GBS. The incidence of non-Hodgekin lymphoma
    has"mysteriouly" doubled since the 1970s.

    Dr. John Martin, Professor of Pathology at the Univ. of Southern California, was employed by the
    Viral Oncology Branch of the Bureau of Biologics (FDA) from 1976 to 1980. While employed there
    he identified foreign DNA in the live polio vaccine Orimune Lederle that suggested serious
    vaccine contamination. He warned his supervisors about this problem and was told to
    discontinue his work as it was outside the scope of testing required for polio vaccine.

    Later Dr. Martin learned that all eleven of the African green monkeys used to grow the Lederle
    polio virus Orimune had grown simian cytomegalovirus from kidney cell cultures. Lederle was aware
    of this viral contamination as their Cytomegaloviral Contamination Plan[12] clearly showed in
    1972. The Bureau of Biologics decided not to pursue the matter so production of infected polio
    vaccine continued.

    In 1955 Dr. Martin identified unique cell destroying viruses termed stealth viruses in patients
    with chronic fatigue syndrome. These viruses lacked genes that would enable the immune system to
    recognize them. Thus they were protected by the body's failure to develop antiviral antibodies. In
    March of 1995, Dr. Martin learned that some of these stealth viruses had originated from African
    green monkey simian cytomegalovirus of a type known to infect man.

    The Lederle vaccine experience suggests that the higher-ups are not concerned about sloppy and
    dangerous preparation of vaccines. Animal cross infection is a huge unsolved current problem for
    all vaccine manufacturing. If this vaccine production sounds like an unbelievable mess to you, you
    are right.

    The influential Club of Rome has a position paper in which they state that the world population is
    too large and needs to be reduced by 90
    %. This means that 6 billion people must be reduced to 500 to 600
    million. Obviously, creating famines and genocidal wars such as wrecked havoc in Africa, and
    loosing new laboratory-created diseases (HIV, Ebola, Marburg[13] , and probably West Nile virus
    and SARS) can help reduce the population. Other elitist groups (Trilaterals, Bildenbergers) have
    expressed similar concerns about excess people on planet Earth.

    The company that was projected to produce the new smallpox vaccine in the U.S. was in serious
    trouble in England because of unsatisfactory quality of operations before setting up their
    facility in the U.S. Why would their performance here be any better than it was in England?

    If there are important powerful groups of people that are determined to reduce the world
    population, what could be a more diabolically clever way to eliminate people than to inject them
    with a cancer-causing vaccine? The person receiving the injection would never suspect that the
    vaccine taken 10 to 15 years earlier had caused the cancer to appear.

    Other Dangers From Vaccines

    In the March 4, 1977 issue of Science Jonas and Darrell Salk warn, "Live virus vaccines against
    influenza or poliomyelitis may in each instance produce the disease it intended to prevent. The
    live virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage).

    The swine flu vaccine was administered to the American public even though there had never been a
    case of swine flu identified in a human. Farmers refused to use the vaccine because it killed too
    many animals. Within a few months of use in humans this vaccine caused many cases of serious nerve
    injury (Guillan Barre syndrome).

    An article in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, 1988 mentioned that all cases of polio since 1979
    had been caused by the polio vaccine with no known cases of polio from a wild strain since 1979.
    This might have created a perfect situation to discontinue the vaccine, but the vaccine is still
    given. Vaccines are a wonderful source of profits with no risks to the drug companies since
    vaccine injuries are now recompensed by the government.

    The steady escalation in the number of vaccines administered has been followed by an identical
    rise in the incidence of auto-immune diseases (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus,
    psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, asthma) seen in children. While there is a genetic transmission of
    some of these diseases many are probably due to the injury from foreign protein particles,
    mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxic agents injected in vaccines.

    In 1999, the rotavirus vaccine was recommended by the Center for Disease Control for all infants.
    When this vaccine program was instituted several infants died and many had life endangering bowel
    obstructions. Obviously, there was no evidence that this vaccine would cause such serious problems
    before the vaccine was released for usage. Children's vaccines are not studied for toxicity
    possibly because such study might eliminate them from being used.

    A large study from Australia showed that the risk of developing encephalitis from the pertussis
    vaccine was 5 times greater than the risk of developing encephalitis by contacting pertussis by
    natural methods.

    Naturally acquired immunity by illness evolves by spread of a virus from the respiratory tract to
    the liver, thymus, spleen, and bone marrow. When symptoms begin, the entire immune response has
    been mobilized to repel the invading virus. This complex immune system response creates antibodies
    that confer life long immunity against that invading virus and prepares the child to respond
    promptly to an infection by the same virus in the future.

    Vaccination, in contrast, results in the persisting of live virus or other foreign antigens within
    the cells of the body, a situation that may provoke auto-immune reactions as the body attempts to
    destroy its own infected cells. There is no surprise that the incidence of auto-immune diseases
    (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, asthma, psoriasis) has
    risen sharply in this era of multiple vaccine immunization.

    Vaccine Induced Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus

    Dr. John Classen has published 29 articles on vaccine-induced[14] diabetes. At least 8 of 10
    children with Type 1 (insulin needing) diabetes have this disease as a result of vaccination.
    These children may have avoided measles, mumps, and whooping cough but they have received
    something far worse: an illness that shortens life expectancy by 10 to 15 years and results in
    a life requiring constant medical care.

    Dr. Classen has shown in Finland, the introduction of hemophilus type b vaccine caused three times
    as many cases of type 1 diabetes as the number of deaths and brain damage from hemophilus
    influenza type b it might have prevented.

    In New Zealand, the incidence of Type 1 diabetes in children rose by 61 % after an aggressive
    vaccine program against hepatitis B.. This same program has been started in the U.S.A. so we can
    now look forward to many cases of Type 1 diabetes in children. Similar rises in Type 1 diabetes
    have been seen in England, Italy, Sweden, and Denmark after immunization programs against
    Hepatitis B.

    Toxic Substances Are Needed To Make Vaccines.

    Vaccines contain many toxic substances that are needed to prevent the vaccines from becoming
    infected or to improve the performance of the vaccine. Among these substances are mercury,
    formaldehyde and aluminum.[15]

    In the past 10 years, the number of autistic children has risen from between 200 and 500 percent
    in every state in the U.S. This sharp rise in autism followed the introduction of measles, mumps
    and rubella vaccine in 1975.

    Representative Dan Burton's healthy grandson was given injections for 9 diseases in one day.
    These injections were instantly followed by autism. These injections contain a preservative of
    mercury called thimerosal. The boy received 41 times the amount of mercury which is capable of
    harm to the body. Mercury is a neurotoxin that can injure the brain and nervous system. And
    tragically, it did.

    In the United States the number of compulsory vaccine injections has increased from 10 to 36 in
    the last 25 years. During this period, there has been a simultaneous increase in the number of
    children suffering learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder. Some of these childhood
    disabilities are related to intrauterine cerebral damage from maternal cocaine use, but probably
    vaccines cause many of the others.

    Many vaccines contain aluminum. A new disease called macrophagic myofasciitis causes pain in
    muscles, bones and joints. All persons with this disease have received aluminum containing
    vaccines. Deposits of aluminum are able to remain as an irritant in tissues and disturb the immune
    and nervous system for a lifetime.

    Nearly all vaccines contain aluminum and mercury. These metals appear to play an important role in
    the etiology of Alzheimer's Disease. An expert at the 1997 International Vaccine Conference
    related that a person who takes 5 or more annual flu vaccine shots has increased the likelihood of
    developing Alzheimer's Disease by a factor of 10 over the person who has had 2 or fewer flu shots.

    When we take vaccines we are playing a modern version of Russian Roulette. We not only get exposed
    to aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde and foreign cell proteins but we may get simian virus 40 and
    other dangerous viruses which can cause cancer, leukemia and other severe health problems because
    the vaccine pool is contaminated due to careless animal isolation techniques. Congress has
    protected the manufacturers from lawsuits, so dangerous vaccines simply increase profits at no
    risk to the drug companies.

    U.S. children aged 2 months began receiving hepatitis B vaccine in December 2000.No peer-reviewed
    studies of the safety of hepatitis B in this age bracket had been done. Over 36,000 adverse
    reactions with 440 deaths were soon reported but the true incidence is much higher as reporting is
    voluntary so only approximately 10 % of adverse reactions get reported. This means that about 5000
    infants are dying annually from the hepatitis B vaccine. The CDC's Chief of Epidemiology admits
    that the frequency of serious reactions to hepatitis B vaccine is 10

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    and by contaminated blood, so the incidence of this disease must be near zero in this age bracket.
    A vaccine expert, Dr. Philip Incao, states that "the conclusion is obvious that the risks[16] of
    hepatitis B vaccination far outweigh the benefits. Once a vaccine is mandated the vaccine
    manufacturer is no longer liable for adverse reactions.

    Dr. W.B. Clarke's important observation that cancer was not found in unvaccinated individuals
    demands an explanation and one now appears forthcoming. All vaccines given over a short period
    of time to an immature immune system deplete the thymus gland (the primary gland involved in
    immune reactions) of irreplaceable immature immune cells. Each of these cells could have
    multiplied and developed into an army of valuable cells to combat infection and growth of
    abnormal cells. When these immune cells have been used up, permanent immunity may not appear.
    The Arthur Research Foundation in Tucson, Arizona estimates that up to 60 % of our immune
    system may be exhausted[17] by multiple mass vaccines (36 are now required for children). Only
    10 % of immune cells are permanently lost when a child is permitted to develop natural
    immunity from disease. There needs to be grave concern about these immune system injuring
    vaccinations! Could the persons who approve these mass vaccinations know that they are
    impairing the health of these children, many of whom are being doomed to requiring much
    medical care in the future?

    Compelling evidence is available that the development of the immune system after contracting the
    usual childhood diseases matures and renders it capable to fight infection and malignant cells in
    the future.

    The use of multiple vaccines, which prevents natural immunity, promotes the development of
    allergies and asthma. A New Zealand study disclosed that 23 % of vaccinated children develop
    asthma , as compared to zero in unvaccinated children.

    Cancer was a very rare illness in the 1890's. This evidence about immune system injury from
    vaccinating affords a plausible explanation for Dr. Clarke's finding that only vaccinated
    individuals got cancer. Some radical adverse change in health occurred in the early 1900s to
    permit cancer to explode and vaccinating appears to be the reason.

    Vaccines are an unnatural phenomena. My guess is that if enough persons said no to immunizations
    there would be a striking improvement in general health with nature back in the immunizing
    business instead of man. Having a child vaccinated should be a choice not a requirement. Medical
    and religious exemptions are permitted by most states.

    When governmental policies require vaccinations before children enter schools coercion has
    overruled the lack of evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety. There is no proof that vaccines
    work and they are never studied for safety before release. My opinion is that there is
    overwhelming evidence that vaccines are dangerous and the only reason for their existence is to
    increase profits of pharmaceutical firms.

    If you are forced to immunize your children so they can enter school, obtain a notarized statement
    from the director of the facility that they will accept full financial responsibility for any
    adverse reaction from the vaccine. Since there is at least a 2 percent risk of a serious adverse
    reaction they may be smart enough to permit your child to escape a dangerous procedure. Recent
    legislation passed by Congress gives the government the power to imprison persons refusing to take
    vaccines (smallpox, anthrax, etc). This would be troublesome to enforce if large numbers of
    citizens declined to be vaccinated at the same time.

    Footnotes:

    1 Mullins Eustace Murder by Injection pg 132 The National Council for Medical research, P. O. Box
    1105, Staunton, Virginia 24401 2 Gary Null Interview with Dr. Dean Black April 7, 1995 3 de Melker
    HE, et al Pertussis in the Netherlands: an outbreak despite high levels of immunization with whole-
    cell vaccine Emerging Infectious Diseases 1997; 3(2): 175-8 Centers for Disease Control 4 Gary
    Null Interview with Walene James, April 6, 1995 5 Torch WS Diptheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT)
    immunizations: a potential cause of the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) Neurology 1982; 32-4
    A169 abstract. 6 Collin Jonathan The Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients 1988 abstracted in
    Horowitz L. Emerging Viruses Aids & Ebola pg 1-5 7 Harris RJ et al Contaminant viruses in two live
    vaccines produced in chick cells.J Hyg (London) 1966 Mar:64(1) : 1-7 8 Horowitz Leonard G.
    Emerging Viruses AIDS & Ebola pg 484 9 Vilchez RA et al Association between simian virus 40 and
    non-Hodgekin lymphoma Lancet 2002 Mar 9;359(9309):817-823 10 Bu X A study of simian virus 40
    infection and its origin in human brain tumors Zhonghu Liu Xing Bing Xue Zhi 2000 Feb;21 (1):19-21
    11 Friedrich F. et al temporal association between the isolation of Sabin-related poliovirus
    vaccine strains and the Guillan-Barre syndrome Rev Inst Med Trop Sao Paulo 1996 Jan-Feb; 38(1):55-
    8 12 Horowitz Leonard Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola pg 492 13 Horowitz Leonard G Emerging
    Viruses: Aids & Ebola pg 378-88 Tetrahedron Inc. Suite 147, 206 North 4th Ave. Sandpoint, Idaho
    83864 1-888-508-4787 [email hidden] 14 Classen, JB et al. Association between type 1
    diabetes and Hib vaccine BMJ 1999; 319:1133 15 Brain 9/01 16 Incao, philip M.D. Letter to
    representative Dale Van Vyven, Ohio House of Representatives March 1, 1999 provided to
    www.garynull.com by The Natural Immunity Information Network 17 Rowen Robert Your first
    consultation with Dr. Rowen pg 20

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    Dr. James A. Howenstine is a board certified specialist in internal medicine who spent 34 years
    caring for office and hospital patients. Curiosity sparked a 4 year study of natural health
    products when 5 of his patients with severe rheumatoid arthritis were able to discontinue the
    use of methotrexate (chemotherapy agent) after trying an extract of New Zealand mussels for
    the therapy of severe rheumatoid arthritis.

    Dr. Howenstine is convinced that natural products are safer, more effective and less expensive
    than pharmaceutical drugs. This research led to the publication of his book 'A Physicians
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    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    Guess what, Quintal? This piece of gibberish had already been posted by your fellow loon Scudamore
    on 7 December. I'm sure you can find it in google.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  4. This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all in
    America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations, What's the problem? If
    vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting decease are the unvaccinated!
    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    Martin

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    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe
    vaccine is one that is never used." Cowpox vaccine was believed able to immunize people
    against smallpox. At the time this vaccine was introduced, there was already a decline in the
    number of cases of smallpox. Japan introduced compulsory vaccination in 1872. In 1892 there
    were 165,774 cases of smallpox with 29,979 deaths despite the vaccination program. Much of the
    success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public
    health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better
    nutrition, and higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly
    declining before the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of
    polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.

    In the early 1900s an astute Indiana physician, Dr. W.B. Clarke, stated "Cancer was practically
    unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to
    deal with two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated[1]
    person."

    There is a widely held belief that vaccines should not be criticized because the public might
    refuse to take them. This is valid only if the benefits exceed the known risks of the vaccines.

    Do Vaccines Actually Prevent Disease?

    This important question does not appear to have ever been adequately studied. Vaccines are
    enormously profitable for drug companies and recent legislation in the U.S. has exempted lawsuits
    against pharmaceutical firms in the event of adverse reactions to vaccines which are very common.
    In 1975 Germany stopped requiring pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination. Today less than 10% of
    German children are vaccinated against pertussis. The number of cases of pertussis has steadily
    decreased[2] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine.

    Measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination rates over 98% in all parts of the
    U.S. including areas that had reported no cases of measles for years. As measles immunization
    rates rise to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons. An outbreak
    of measles occurred in a school where 100% of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality
    rates had declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted.

    In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90% of these cases occurred in children
    who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia
    where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains
    endemic[3] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96% of children have received 3
    pertussis shots by age 12 months.

    After institution of diptheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from
    diptheria rose by 20% in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The
    rate of diptheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have
    compulsory vaccination, had only 50 cases of diptheria the same year.

    The continued presence of these infectious diseases in children who have received vaccines proves
    that life long immunity which follows natural infection does not occur in persons receiving
    vaccines. The injection process places the viral particles into the blood without providing any
    clear way to eliminate these foreign substances.

    Why Do Vaccines Fail To Protect Against Diseases?

    Walene James, author of Immunization: the Reality Behind The Myth, states that the full[4]
    inflammatory response is necessary to create real immunity. Prior to the introduction of measles
    and mumps vaccines children got measles and mumps and in the great majority of cases these
    diseases were benign. Vaccines "trick" the body so it does not mount a complete inflammatory
    response to the injected virus.

    Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome SIDS

    The incidence of Sudden Infant Death syndrome SIDS has grown from .55 per 1000 live births in 1953
    to 12.8 per 1000 in 1992 in Olmstead County, Minnesota. The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4
    months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in
    the first 6 months of infancy. The increase in SIDS as a percentage of total infant deaths has
    risen from 2.5 per 1000 in 1953 to 17.9 per 1000 in 1992. This rise in SIDS deaths has occurred
    during a period when nearly every childhood disease was declining due to improved sanitation and
    medical progress except SIDS. These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number
    of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child.

    Dr. W. Torch was able to document 12 deaths in infants which appeared within 3½ and 19 hours of a
    DPT immunization. He later reported 11 new cases of SIDS death and one near miss which had
    occurred within 24 hours of a DPT injection. When he studied 70 cases of SIDS two thirds of
    these victims[5] had been vaccinated from one half day to 3 weeks prior to their deaths. None
    of these deaths was attributed to vaccines. Vaccines are a sacred cow and nothing against them
    appears in the mass media because they are so profitable to pharmaceutical firms.

    There is valid reason to think that not only are vaccines worthless in preventing disease they are
    counterproductive because they injure the immune system permitting cancer, auto-immune diseases
    and SIDS to cause much disability and death.

    Are Vaccines Sterile?

    Dr. Robert Strecker claimed that the department of defense DOD was given $10,000,000 in 1969 to
    create the AIDS virus to be used as a population-reducing[6] weapon against blacks. By use of
    the Freedom of Information Act Dr. Strecker was able to learn that the DOD secured funds from
    Congress to perform studies on immune destroying agents for germ warfare.

    Once produced, the vaccine was given in two locations. Smallpox vaccine containing HIV was given
    to 100,000,000 Africans in 1977. Over

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    Hepatitis B vaccine that contained HIV virus in 1978. This vaccine was given at New York City
    Blood Center. The Hepatitis B vaccine

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    San Francisco, Los Angeles, St.Louis, Houston and Chicago in 1978 and 1979. U.S. Public Health
    epidemiology studies have disclosed that these same 6 cities had the highest incidence of AIDS,
    Aids related Complex (ARC) and deaths rates from HIV, when compared to other U.S. cities.

    When a new virus is introduced into a community. It takes 20 years for the number of cases to
    double. If the fabricated story that green monkey bites of pygmies led to the HIV epidemic, the
    alleged monkey bites in the 1940s should have produced a peak in the incidence of HIV in the 1960s
    at which time HIV was non existent in Africa. The World Health Organization (WHO) began a African
    smallpox vaccination campaign in 1977 that targeted urban population centers and avoided pygmies.
    If the green monkey bites of pygmies truly caused the HIV epidemic the incidence of HIV in pygmies
    should have been higher than in urban citizens. However, the opposite was true.

    In 1954 Dr. Bernice Eddy (bacteriologist) discovered live monkey viruses in supposedly sterile
    inactivated polio vaccine[7] developed by Dr. Jonas Salk. This discovery was not well received at
    the NIH and
    Dr. Eddy was demoted. Later Dr. Eddy, working with Sarah Stewart, discovered SE polyoma virus.
    This virus was quite important because it caused cancer in every animal receiving it. Yellow
    fever vaccine had previously been found to contain avian (bird) leukemia virus. Later
    Dr. Hilleman isolated SV 40 virus from both the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines. There were 40
    different viruses[8] in these polio vaccines they were trying to eradicate. They were never
    able to get rid of these viruses ontaminating the polio vaccines. The SV 40 virus causes
    malignancies. It has now been identified in 43 % of cases of non-Hodgekin lymphoma[9] , 36 %
    of brain tumors[10] , 18 % of healthy blood samples, and 22 % of healthy semen samples,
    mesothiolomas and other malignancies. By the time of this discovery SV 40 had already been
    injected into 10,000,000 people in Salk vaccine. Gastric digestion inactivtes some of SV 40 in
    Sabin vaccine. However, the isolation of strains of Sabin polio vaccine from all 38 cases of
    Guillan Barre Syndrome[11] GBS in Brazil suggests that significant numbers of persons are able
    to be infected from this vaccine. All 38 of these patients had received Sabin polio vaccine
    months to years before the onset of GBS. The incidence of non-Hodgekin lymphoma
    has"mysteriouly" doubled since the 1970s.

    Dr. John Martin, Professor of Pathology at the Univ. of Southern California, was employed by the
    Viral Oncology Branch of the Bureau of Biologics (FDA) from 1976 to 1980. While employed there
    he identified foreign DNA in the live polio vaccine Orimune Lederle that suggested serious
    vaccine contamination. He warned his supervisors about this problem and was told to
    discontinue his work as it was outside the scope of testing required for polio vaccine.

    Later Dr. Martin learned that all eleven of the African green monkeys used to grow the Lederle
    polio virus Orimune had grown simian cytomegalovirus from kidney cell cultures. Lederle was aware
    of this viral contamination as their Cytomegaloviral Contamination Plan[12] clearly showed in
    1972. The Bureau of Biologics decided not to pursue the matter so production of infected polio
    vaccine continued.

    In 1955 Dr. Martin identified unique cell destroying viruses termed stealth viruses in patients
    with chronic fatigue syndrome. These viruses lacked genes that would enable the immune system to
    recognize them. Thus they were protected by the body's failure to develop antiviral antibodies. In
    March of 1995, Dr. Martin learned that some of these stealth viruses had originated from African
    green monkey simian cytomegalovirus of a type known to infect man.

    The Lederle vaccine experience suggests that the higher-ups are not concerned about sloppy and
    dangerous preparation of vaccines. Animal cross infection is a huge unsolved current problem for
    all vaccine manufacturing. If this vaccine production sounds like an unbelievable mess to you, you
    are right.

    The influential Club of Rome has a position paper in which they state that the world population is
    too large and needs to be reduced by 90
    %. This means that 6 billion people must be reduced to 500 to 600
    million. Obviously, creating famines and genocidal wars such as wrecked havoc in Africa, and
    loosing new laboratory-created diseases (HIV, Ebola, Marburg[13] , and probably West Nile virus
    and SARS) can help reduce the population. Other elitist groups (Trilaterals, Bildenbergers) have
    expressed similar concerns about excess people on planet Earth.

    The company that was projected to produce the new smallpox vaccine in the U.S. was in serious
    trouble in England because of unsatisfactory quality of operations before setting up their
    facility in the U.S. Why would their performance here be any better than it was in England?

    If there are important powerful groups of people that are determined to reduce the world
    population, what could be a more diabolically clever way to eliminate people than to inject them
    with a cancer-causing vaccine? The person receiving the injection would never suspect that the
    vaccine taken 10 to 15 years earlier had caused the cancer to appear.

    Other Dangers From Vaccines

    In the March 4, 1977 issue of Science Jonas and Darrell Salk warn, "Live virus vaccines against
    influenza or poliomyelitis may in each instance produce the disease it intended to prevent. The
    live virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage).

    The swine flu vaccine was administered to the American public even though there had never been a
    case of swine flu identified in a human. Farmers refused to use the vaccine because it killed too
    many animals. Within a few months of use in humans this vaccine caused many cases of serious nerve
    injury (Guillan Barre syndrome).

    An article in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, 1988 mentioned that all cases of polio since 1979
    had been caused by the polio vaccine with no known cases of polio from a wild strain since 1979.
    This might have created a perfect situation to discontinue the vaccine, but the vaccine is still
    given. Vaccines are a wonderful source of profits with no risks to the drug companies since
    vaccine injuries are now recompensed by the government.

    The steady escalation in the number of vaccines administered has been followed by an identical
    rise in the incidence of auto-immune diseases (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus,
    psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, asthma) seen in children. While there is a genetic transmission of
    some of these diseases many are probably due to the injury from foreign protein particles,
    mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxic agents injected in vaccines.

    In 1999, the rotavirus vaccine was recommended by the Center for Disease Control for all infants.
    When this vaccine program was instituted several infants died and many had life endangering bowel
    obstructions. Obviously, there was no evidence that this vaccine would cause such serious problems
    before the vaccine was released for usage. Children's vaccines are not studied for toxicity
    possibly because such study might eliminate them from being used.

    A large study from Australia showed that the risk of developing encephalitis from the pertussis
    vaccine was 5 times greater than the risk of developing encephalitis by contacting pertussis by
    natural methods.

    Naturally acquired immunity by illness evolves by spread of a virus from the respiratory tract to
    the liver, thymus, spleen, and bone marrow. When symptoms begin, the entire immune response has
    been mobilized to repel the invading virus. This complex immune system response creates antibodies
    that confer life long immunity against that invading virus and prepares the child to respond
    promptly to an infection by the same virus in the future.

    Vaccination, in contrast, results in the persisting of live virus or other foreign antigens within
    the cells of the body, a situation that may provoke auto-immune reactions as the body attempts to
    destroy its own infected cells. There is no surprise that the incidence of auto-immune diseases
    (rheumatoid arthritis, subacute lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, asthma, psoriasis) has
    risen sharply in this era of multiple vaccine immunization.

    Vaccine Induced Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus

    Dr. John Classen has published 29 articles on vaccine-induced[14] diabetes. At least 8 of 10
    children with Type 1 (insulin needing) diabetes have this disease as a result of vaccination.
    These children may have avoided measles, mumps, and whooping cough but they have received
    something far worse: an illness that shortens life expectancy by 10 to 15 years and results in
    a life requiring constant medical care.

    Dr. Classen has shown in Finland, the introduction of hemophilus type b vaccine caused three times
    as many cases of type 1 diabetes as the number of deaths and brain damage from hemophilus
    influenza type b it might have prevented.

    In New Zealand, the incidence of Type 1 diabetes in children rose by 61 % after an aggressive
    vaccine program against hepatitis B.. This same program has been started in the U.S.A. so we can
    now look forward to many cases of Type 1 diabetes in children. Similar rises in Type 1 diabetes
    have been seen in England, Italy, Sweden, and Denmark after immunization programs against
    Hepatitis B.

    Toxic Substances Are Needed To Make Vaccines.

    Vaccines contain many toxic substances that are needed to prevent the vaccines from becoming
    infected or to improve the performance of the vaccine. Among these substances are mercury,
    formaldehyde and aluminum.[15]

    In the past 10 years, the number of autistic children has risen from between 200 and 500 percent
    in every state in the U.S. This sharp rise in autism followed the introduction of measles, mumps
    and rubella vaccine in 1975.

    Representative Dan Burton's healthy grandson was given injections for 9 diseases in one day.
    These injections were instantly followed by autism. These injections contain a preservative of
    mercury called thimerosal. The boy received 41 times the amount of mercury which is capable of
    harm to the body. Mercury is a neurotoxin that can injure the brain and nervous system. And
    tragically, it did.

    In the United States the number of compulsory vaccine injections has increased from 10 to 36 in
    the last 25 years. During this period, there has been a simultaneous increase in the number of
    children suffering learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder. Some of these childhood
    disabilities are related to intrauterine cerebral damage from maternal cocaine use, but probably
    vaccines cause many of the others.

    Many vaccines contain aluminum. A new disease called macrophagic myofasciitis causes pain in
    muscles, bones and joints. All persons with this disease have received aluminum containing
    vaccines. Deposits of aluminum are able to remain as an irritant in tissues and disturb the immune
    and nervous system for a lifetime.

    Nearly all vaccines contain aluminum and mercury. These metals appear to play an important role in
    the etiology of Alzheimer's Disease. An expert at the 1997 International Vaccine Conference
    related that a person who takes 5 or more annual flu vaccine shots has increased the likelihood of
    developing Alzheimer's Disease by a factor of 10 over the person who has had 2 or fewer flu shots.

    When we take vaccines we are playing a modern version of Russian Roulette. We not only get exposed
    to aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde and foreign cell proteins but we may get simian virus 40 and
    other dangerous viruses which can cause cancer, leukemia and other severe health problems because
    the vaccine pool is contaminated due to careless animal isolation techniques. Congress has
    protected the manufacturers from lawsuits, so dangerous vaccines simply increase profits at no
    risk to the drug companies.

    U.S. children aged 2 months began receiving hepatitis B vaccine in December 2000.No peer-reviewed
    studies of the safety of hepatitis B in this age bracket had been done. Over 36,000 adverse
    reactions with 440 deaths were soon reported but the true incidence is much higher as reporting is
    voluntary so only approximately 10 % of adverse reactions get reported. This means that about 5000
    infants are dying annually from the hepatitis B vaccine. The CDC's Chief of Epidemiology admits
    that the frequency of serious reactions to hepatitis B vaccine is 10

    Quoted message said:

    and by contaminated blood, so the incidence of this disease must be near zero in this age bracket.
    A vaccine expert, Dr. Philip Incao, states that "the conclusion is obvious that the risks[16] of
    hepatitis B vaccination far outweigh the benefits. Once a vaccine is mandated the vaccine
    manufacturer is no longer liable for adverse reactions.

    Dr. W.B. Clarke's important observation that cancer was not found in unvaccinated individuals
    demands an explanation and one now appears forthcoming. All vaccines given over a short period
    of time to an immature immune system deplete the thymus gland (the primary gland involved in
    immune reactions) of irreplaceable immature immune cells. Each of these cells could have
    multiplied and developed into an army of valuable cells to combat infection and growth of
    abnormal cells. When these immune cells have been used up, permanent immunity may not appear.
    The Arthur Research Foundation in Tucson, Arizona estimates that up to 60 % of our immune
    system may be exhausted[17] by multiple mass vaccines (36 are now required for children). Only
    10 % of immune cells are permanently lost when a child is permitted to develop natural
    immunity from disease. There needs to be grave concern about these immune system injuring
    vaccinations! Could the persons who approve these mass vaccinations know that they are
    impairing the health of these children, many of whom are being doomed to requiring much
    medical care in the future?

    Compelling evidence is available that the development of the immune system after contracting the
    usual childhood diseases matures and renders it capable to fight infection and malignant cells in
    the future.

    The use of multiple vaccines, which prevents natural immunity, promotes the development of
    allergies and asthma. A New Zealand study disclosed that 23 % of vaccinated children develop
    asthma , as compared to zero in unvaccinated children.

    Cancer was a very rare illness in the 1890's. This evidence about immune system injury from
    vaccinating affords a plausible explanation for Dr. Clarke's finding that only vaccinated
    individuals got cancer. Some radical adverse change in health occurred in the early 1900s to
    permit cancer to explode and vaccinating appears to be the reason.

    Vaccines are an unnatural phenomena. My guess is that if enough persons said no to immunizations
    there would be a striking improvement in general health with nature back in the immunizing
    business instead of man. Having a child vaccinated should be a choice not a requirement. Medical
    and religious exemptions are permitted by most states.

    When governmental policies require vaccinations before children enter schools coercion has
    overruled the lack of evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety. There is no proof that vaccines
    work and they are never studied for safety before release. My opinion is that there is
    overwhelming evidence that vaccines are dangerous and the only reason for their existence is to
    increase profits of pharmaceutical firms.

    If you are forced to immunize your children so they can enter school, obtain a notarized statement
    from the director of the facility that they will accept full financial responsibility for any
    adverse reaction from the vaccine. Since there is at least a 2 percent risk of a serious adverse
    reaction they may be smart enough to permit your child to escape a dangerous procedure. Recent
    legislation passed by Congress gives the government the power to imprison persons refusing to take
    vaccines (smallpox, anthrax, etc). This would be troublesome to enforce if large numbers of
    citizens declined to be vaccinated at the same time.

    Footnotes:

    1 Mullins Eustace Murder by Injection pg 132 The National Council for Medical research, P. O. Box
    1105, Staunton, Virginia 24401 2 Gary Null Interview with Dr. Dean Black April 7, 1995 3 de Melker
    HE, et al Pertussis in the Netherlands: an outbreak despite high levels of immunization with whole-
    cell vaccine Emerging Infectious Diseases 1997; 3(2): 175-8 Centers for Disease Control 4 Gary
    Null Interview with Walene James, April 6, 1995 5 Torch WS Diptheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT)
    immunizations: a potential cause of the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) Neurology 1982; 32-4
    A169 abstract. 6 Collin Jonathan The Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients 1988 abstracted in
    Horowitz L. Emerging Viruses Aids & Ebola pg 1-5 7 Harris RJ et al Contaminant viruses in two live
    vaccines produced in chick cells.J Hyg (London) 1966 Mar:64(1) : 1-7 8 Horowitz Leonard G.
    Emerging Viruses AIDS & Ebola pg 484 9 Vilchez RA et al Association between simian virus 40 and
    non-Hodgekin lymphoma Lancet 2002 Mar 9;359(9309):817-823 10 Bu X A study of simian virus 40
    infection and its origin in human brain tumors Zhonghu Liu Xing Bing Xue Zhi 2000 Feb;21 (1):19-21
    11 Friedrich F. et al temporal association between the isolation of Sabin-related poliovirus
    vaccine strains and the Guillan-Barre syndrome Rev Inst Med Trop Sao Paulo 1996 Jan-Feb; 38(1):55-
    8 12 Horowitz Leonard Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola pg 492 13 Horowitz Leonard G Emerging
    Viruses: Aids & Ebola pg 378-88 Tetrahedron Inc. Suite 147, 206 North 4th Ave. Sandpoint, Idaho
    83864 1-888-508-4787 [email hidden] 14 Classen, JB et al. Association between type 1
    diabetes and Hib vaccine BMJ 1999; 319:1133 15 Brain 9/01 16 Incao, philip M.D. Letter to
    representative Dale Van Vyven, Ohio House of Representatives March 1, 1999 provided to
    www.garynull.com by The Natural Immunity Information Network 17 Rowen Robert Your first
    consultation with Dr. Rowen pg 20

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    products when 5 of his patients with severe rheumatoid arthritis were able to discontinue the
    use of methotrexate (chemotherapy agent) after trying an extract of New Zealand mussels for
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    Dr. Howenstine is convinced that natural products are safer, more effective and less expensive
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  5. Martin Noakes said:

    After all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    False. The only mandatory vaccinations are those required for admission to public schools. Parents
    who are opposed to vaccination can home school their children or find a private school that doesn't
    require them. There are no laws requiring vaccinations for adults, and none that can't be avoided
    for children.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting decease
    are the unvaccinated!

    You've correctly identified the whole purpose of vaccination. So what's the problem?

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Martin Noakes said:

    This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all in
    America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting decease
    are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be vaccinated
    for various medical reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    Quoted message said:

    "Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    newswithviews.comjames.htm

    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away from
    him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  7. Carey Gregory said:
    Martin Noakes said:

    After all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    False. The only mandatory vaccinations are those required for admission to public schools. Parents
    who are opposed to vaccination can home school their children or find a private school that doesn't
    require them. There are no laws requiring vaccinations for adults, and none that can't be avoided
    for children.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    decease are the unvaccinated!

    You've correctly identified the whole purpose of vaccination. So what's the problem?

    his next sentence (which you have snipped) summed it up well enough :

    " I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses."'

  8. Where's the evidence that they work??

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her to take part in a study of
    100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be unethical to do this" Why?
    Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the pharmaceutical industry.

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and surprise surprise it dropped off
    exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to vaccinations.

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted. To
    one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time tables and
    the incidents of SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently. THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same
    industry that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all
    in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be vaccinated
    for various medical reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    Quoted message said:

    "Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    newswithviews.comjames.htm

    WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES

    By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Wright said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all
    in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be vaccinated
    for various medical reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    While governments may not be intrinsically benevolent, consider that in almost every advanced (and
    many less advanced) countries, the government runs the health service, and it is very much in its
    interest that the citizens be healthy and not using expensive facilities for things that can be
    inexpensively prevented, including the pneumonia and encephalitis that can follow many vaccine-
    preventable diseases. What's more, any country that provides special services for the disabled
    (blind, brain damaged, deaf, etc) has a strong interest in preventing these sequelae of measles,
    rubella, whooping cough, etc. Note also that sick and disabled people pay less in taxes.

  10. Quintal said:

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:22:34 -0500, Carey Gregory

    Quoted message said:


    You've correctly identified the whole purpose of vaccination. So what's the problem?

    his next sentence (which you have snipped) summed it up well enough :

    " I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses."'

    Who cares if they care? Vaccination as a boon to public health stands on its own merits.

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Martin Noakes said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of cases
    per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s. Now there are a
    few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this, I'd be interested in
    hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere, the
    reduction in mumps and rubella right along with measles, and so on.

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for example,
    that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her to take part in a study of
    100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be unethical to do this" Why?
    Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the pharmaceutical industry.

    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    Quoted message said:

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and surprise surprise it dropped off
    exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to vaccinations.

    There is no vaccination against Scarlet Fever, which is a type of strep infection. We treat such
    infections with antibiotics.

    Quoted message said:

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted. To
    one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time tables
    and the incidents of SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    This is a popular myth, circulated by anti-vaccination people.

    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    Quoted message said:

    THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same industry
    that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    I thought they were being represented by lawyers. Or maybe their parents. Your sentences don't even
    make any sense.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all
    in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    vaccinated for various medical reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    Quoted message said:

    "Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > newswithviews.comjames.htm
    >
    > WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    >
    > By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    >

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


  12. Martin Noakes said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her to take part in a study of
    100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be unethical to do this" Why?
    Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the pharmaceutical industry.

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and surprise surprise it dropped off
    exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to vaccinations.

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted. To
    one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time tables
    and the incidents of SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently. THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same
    industry that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    yup and make no mistake, the mentality demonstrated by our contradictors is the real responsible for
    all this mess.

    It is very well named by david icke:

    1/ the BA-BAA mentality (sheep)
    2/ the fear

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    Quoted message said:

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After all
    in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    vaccinated for various medical reasons.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    Quoted message said:

    "Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > newswithviews.comjames.htm
    >
    > WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    >
    > By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    >

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Martin Noakes said:

    Hi David

    Check out the WHO's (World Health Organisation's) own figures and you will find that for EVERY
    illness that vaccinations have claimed the credit for, if you follow the diminishing graph
    projection prior to the introduction of the vaccination the decline was already happening at the
    same rate and in fact there's quite often a rise in the incidents of illness following a
    vaccination program.

    As HCN pointed out, you are quite wrong about this. Diseases like measles had not been declining.

    Quoted message said:

    How many people are aware of the ingredients of the carrier fluid? For example what the hell is
    mercury and formaldehyde doing in a vaccination? Bits of animal such as bovine extracts and monkey?

    Mercury and formaldehyde are preservatives. The mercury (thimerosal) is particularly important for
    vaccines that need some sort of preservative, especially in countries where refrigeration is not
    generally available. As for the animal bits, well, that's due to things like growing the polio
    vaccine on monkey kidneys. It'd be nicer to use, say, recombinant DNA techniques, but those did not
    exist when most vaccines were first created.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm afraid to say that this science is a house of cards that will collapse as soon as people wake
    up and take responsibility for their own health instead of BLINDLY accepting what is frankly a
    scandalous lie making the pharmaceutical industry very wealthy.

    You should be afraid to say that, as it'd make you sound very stupid if you did. The fact that you
    are ignorant of a topic does not free you to make nonsensical pronouncemnts about it. Try getting
    your info from somewhere other than anti-vaccination web sites.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of
    cases per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s. Now
    there are a few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this, I'd
    be interested in hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere,
    the reduction in mumps and rubella right along with measles, and so on.

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for
    example, that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take part in a study of 100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be
    unethical to do this" Why? Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by
    the pharmaceutical


    industry.

    Quoted message said:


    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    Quoted message said:

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and


    surprise

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    surprise it dropped off exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to
    vaccinations.

    There is no vaccination against Scarlet Fever, which is a type of strep infection. We treat such
    infections with antibiotics.

    Quoted message said:

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted.
    To one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time
    tables and the incidents


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    This is a popular myth, circulated by anti-vaccination people.

    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    Quoted message said:

    THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same industry
    that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    I thought they were being represented by lawyers. Or maybe their parents. Your sentences don't
    even make any sense.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After
    > >all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,
    >
    > Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.
    >
    > >What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    > >decease are the unvaccinated!
    >
    > Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    > vaccinated for various medical reasons.
    >
    > >I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or
    > >country actually care about the welfare of the masses.
    >
    > So what? Vaccination still works.
    >
    > >"Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> newswithviews.comjames.htm
    > >>
    > >> WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    > >>
    > >> By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    > >>
    >
    > <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    > from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>
    >
    > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    > always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on
    > my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
    >
    >
    >



  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quintal said:
    (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of
    cases per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s.

    hygiene and diet? prolly something else for the 60's tho

    Likewise the 50's for polio. There was no widespread change in hygiene or diet over those periods
    that would explain the rapid decline in the diseases.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now there are a few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this,
    I'd be interested in hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere,

    easy trick. they changed the diagnosis definition and now polio is dubbed some kind of
    meningitis ;-p

    Wrong. But a frequent lie used by the loonier part of the anti-vac crowd.

    Quoted message said:

    Point is, you cant draw conclusions about cause and effect with a simple temporal concomittance.

    I can if I've got reasonable clinical evidence that the vaccine works and there are no other obvious
    confounding factors.

    Quoted message said:

    You're defending big brother rockefeller pharma industries? You're very weak on this argument, give
    us a study, a scientifical one, with test group, double blind and so on. I'm sure they exist but i
    wouldnt believe in them for the life of me. I know who finances them too;-)

    If you're already convinced that my evidence isn't any good, I'm not going to bother digging any
    out for you.

    Quoted message said:

    My point is : don't shoot you children with UNKNOWN stuff manufactured by the worst nazis on earth.

    Which has zero to do with vaccines.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for
    example, that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    And you believe in the value of these studies? lol

    Go ahead and laugh -- the echoing inside your empty skull makes a nice sound.

    Quoted message said:

    My god, talk about belief. It's now age-known (forgive my french) that corruption sways all levels
    of the pharmaceutical complex : in the governments, in the scientific papers, etc. Get a clue
    frankly. MANY insiders have revealed how the system works, do you only read the official
    propaganda?

    Look, bub, measles was a common disease when I was a kid. Now you virtually never hear of any cases
    -- except in unvaccinated populations. You haven't proposed any reason for this. I say it's
    vaccination, and the epidemics stopped when vaccination started. I can't make you believe anything,
    but I don't have to take you seriously, either.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her to take part in a study
    of 100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be unethical to do this"
    Why? Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the pharmaceutical
    industry.

    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    LOL omg i never thought of that one, i've had a heart tingle about the poor 100 children that would
    be vaccinated for the study, but the 100 safe ones would indeed be lucky to have responsible
    parents. AND NO, responsibility is not BAA-BAA nor FEAR.

    No, it isn't. But what you're doing isn't "responsibility", either.

    Quoted message said:

    Responsibility is "i wont have shoot my children with products of an industry that is prolly the
    worst record on earth for wrongdoings" (do you know who financed [censored] all the way? yeah...)

    The pharmaceutical industry in the US? No, they didn't.

    I don't have to take your pointless invoking of the Nazis as proof of anything, by the way.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    some of it may be...it wouldnt account for all of it. Yet this is standard propaganda that autism
    increase is DUE (understand, mainly due) to higher detection rate.

    I don't believe it's just due to better detection. But I don't know what the explanation is. I just
    don't believe it's vaccines.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quintal said:
    Martin Noakes said:

    Hi David

    Check out the WHO's (World Health Organisation's) own figures and you will find that for EVERY
    illness that vaccinations have claimed the credit for, if you follow the diminishing graph
    projection prior to the introduction of the vaccination the decline was already happening at the
    same rate and in fact there's quite often a rise in the incidents of illness following a
    vaccination program.

    How many people are aware of the ingredients of the carrier fluid? For example what the hell is
    mercury and formaldehyde doing in a vaccination?

    mercury is there, in some vaccines, at 30 TIMES the maximal dose allowed (according to health
    institutions!!) for the vaccines target's weight. That's a big suspicion about a cause for
    autism indeed.

    Not really. Because you can do what Denmark did and take the mercury out and autism does not
    disappear. The mercury is out of the US vaccine supply. What will the anti-vacs say in another
    couple of years when autism rates have not plummetted?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  16. Hi David

    Check out the WHO's (World Health Organisation's) own figures and you will find that for EVERY
    illness that vaccinations have claimed the credit for, if you follow the diminishing graph
    projection prior to the introduction of the vaccination the decline was already happening at the
    same rate and in fact there's quite often a rise in the incidents of illness following a
    vaccination program.

    How many people are aware of the ingredients of the carrier fluid? For example what the hell is
    mercury and formaldehyde doing in a vaccination? Bits of animal such as bovine extracts and monkey?

    I'm afraid to say that this science is a house of cards that will collapse as soon as people wake up
    and take responsibility for their own health instead of BLINDLY accepting what is frankly a
    scandalous lie making the pharmaceutical industry very wealthy.

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of
    cases per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s. Now
    there are a few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this, I'd be
    interested in hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere,
    the reduction in mumps and rubella right along with measles, and so on.

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for
    example, that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take part in a study of 100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be
    unethical to do this" Why? Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the
    pharmaceutical


    industry.

    Quoted message said:


    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    Quoted message said:

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and


    surprise

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    surprise it dropped off exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to
    vaccinations.

    There is no vaccination against Scarlet Fever, which is a type of strep infection. We treat such
    infections with antibiotics.

    Quoted message said:

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted.
    To one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time
    tables and the incidents


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    This is a popular myth, circulated by anti-vaccination people.

    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    Quoted message said:

    THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same industry
    that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    I thought they were being represented by lawyers. Or maybe their parents. Your sentences don't
    even make any sense.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After
    >all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    >What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    >decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    vaccinated for various medical reasons.

    >I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or
    >country actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    >"Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> newswithviews.comjames.htm
    >>
    >> WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    >>
    >> By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    >>

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on
    my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)



  17. Carey Gregory said:
    Quintal said:

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:22:34 -0500, Carey Gregory

    Quoted message said:


    You've correctly identified the whole purpose of vaccination. So what's the problem?

    his next sentence (which you have snipped) summed it up well enough :

    " I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or country
    actually care about the welfare of the masses."'

    Who cares if they care? Vaccination as a boon to public health stands on its own merits.

    not at all. It stands on the belief that authorities want our good. How could it be otherwize as it
    is mandatory? Who in the hell knows true facts about vaccines? Do you believe that even a physician
    has access to their composition and manufacturing processes? No, physicians are also believers on
    that issue.

    The usual "arguments" (sorry it's just [censored] propaganda) are spoonfed to the ready-to-believe,
    and the fear is instilled through menaces to the reluctants.

    The "studies" are published by whom? Too bad, by scientific reviews that are everything but
    independant from the pharmaceutical industry. The political decisions are taken by whom? Same thing.

    "In doubt, refrain". "Primum non nocere". etc

  18. On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:44:53 GMT, [email hidden] (David

    Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of cases
    per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s.

    hygiene and diet? prolly something else for the 60's tho

    Quoted message said:

    Now there are a few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this,
    I'd be interested in hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere,

    easy trick. they changed the diagnosis definition and now polio is dubbed some kind of
    meningitis ;-p

    Point is, you cant draw conclusions about cause and effect with a simple temporal concomittance.
    You're defending big brother rockefeller pharma industries? You're very weak on this argument, give
    us a study, a scientifical one, with test group, double blind and so on. I'm sure they exist but i
    wouldnt believe in them for the life of me. I know who finances them too;-)

    My point is : don't shoot you children with UNKNOWN stuff manufactured by the worst nazis on earth.

    ANYWAY the aim of that post was not to start a debate lol I know how you vaccines defenders think,
    and I don't see what a discussion would bring to that topic.

    Quoted message said:

    the reduction in mumps and rubella right along with measles, and so on.

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for example,
    that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    And you believe in the value of these studies? lol My god, talk about belief. It's now age-known
    (forgive my french) that corruption sways all levels of the pharmaceutical complex : in the
    governments, in the scientific papers, etc. Get a clue frankly. MANY insiders have revealed how the
    system works, do you only read the official propaganda?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her to take part in a study of
    100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be unethical to do this"
    Why? Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by the pharmaceutical
    industry.

    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    LOL omg i never thought of that one, i've had a heart tingle about the poor 100 children that would
    be vaccinated for the study, but the 100 safe ones would indeed be lucky to have responsible
    parents. AND NO, responsibility is not BAA-BAA nor FEAR. Responsibility is "i wont have shoot my
    children with products of an industry that is prolly the worst record on earth for wrongdoings" (do
    you know who financed [censored] all the way? yeah...)

    It boggles the mind but indeed many people believe in the [censored] according to which the PETROCHEMICAL
    industry is their health provider. Medicine and food are best left in small hands, small artisanal
    production units for food, small independant health practitionners for medicine.

    The chemical industry literally STOLE ITS WAY into our medicine. The "traditional" medicine is NOT
    the industrial one, the "alternative medicine" is NOT the natural plant-based one. The semantic coup
    is there too.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and surprise surprise it dropped off
    exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to vaccinations.

    There is no vaccination against Scarlet Fever, which is a type of strep infection. We treat such
    infections with antibiotics.

    Quoted message said:

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted.
    To one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time
    tables and the incidents of SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    This is a popular myth, circulated by anti-vaccination people.

    THIS IS A VALID POINT !!! at least a sound argument which needs to be proven by facts. PHEW. Indeed
    anti-vaccination people often spread myths and this is silly. Though i wonder if these myths come
    from vaccination-promoters who would deftly introduce such rumours, but anyway the antis are guilty
    of excessive idealism (as are any ideological movement btw and it is their downfall)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    some of it may be...it wouldnt account for all of it. Yet this is standard propaganda that autism
    increase is DUE (understand, mainly due) to higher detection rate.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same industry
    that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    I thought they were being represented by lawyers. Or maybe their parents. Your sentences don't even
    make any sense.

    Try to use your imagination if you have one that is free to work on any topic. I can imagine what
    you mean well beyond what you say. Why can't you. His sentence is indeed unclear, so there is room
    for deduction.

    now let's see, how would the pharma industry represent the chidren it damages;-)

    Quoted message said:

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After
    >all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,

    Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.

    >What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    >decease are the unvaccinated!

    Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    vaccinated for various medical reasons.

    >I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or
    >country actually care about the welfare of the masses.

    So what? Vaccination still works.

    >"Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> newswithviews.comjames.htm
    >>
    >> WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    >>
    >> By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    >>

    <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)



  19. "Martin Noakes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi David

    Check out the WHO's (World Health Organisation's) own figures and you will find that for EVERY
    illness that vaccinations have claimed the credit for, if you follow the diminishing graph
    projection prior to the introduction


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the vaccination the decline was already happening at the same rate and in fact there's quite often
    a rise in the incidents of illness following a vaccination program.

    ...


    You mean like this one... where the incidence of measles in inversely proportional to the level of
    vaccination (in plain English that means that where there is good vaccine coverage there are much
    fewer cases of measles): who.intmeaslescascov.htm

    If you look at this map: who.intmeacovmap.htm , you
    will notice that where more children are vaccinated against measles (the dark blue) there are fewer
    cases of measles as you look at this map: who.intvaccines
    surveillance/graphics/htmls/meainc.htm

    There are lots of other statistics available here: who.intvaccines
    surveillance/intro.html

    I doubt if you will actually find data to support your conclusions. Here is one effect of the
    reduction of vaccines in one area: theage.com.au1070732280162.html

    e.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0300reading/content_objectid=13691363_method=full_siteid=50102_headline=-
    University-students-felled-by-mumps -outbreak-name_page.html

  20. Martin Noakes said:

    Hi David

    Check out the WHO's (World Health Organisation's) own figures and you will find that for EVERY
    illness that vaccinations have claimed the credit for, if you follow the diminishing graph
    projection prior to the introduction of the vaccination the decline was already happening at the
    same rate and in fact there's quite often a rise in the incidents of illness following a
    vaccination program.

    How many people are aware of the ingredients of the carrier fluid? For example what the hell is
    mercury and formaldehyde doing in a vaccination?

    mercury is there, in some vaccines, at 30 TIMES the maximal dose allowed (according to health
    institutions!!) for the vaccines target's weight. That's a big suspicion about a cause for
    autism indeed.

    Quoted message said:

    Bits of animal such as bovine extracts and monkey?

    I'm afraid to say that this science is a house of cards that will collapse as soon as people wake
    up and take responsibility for their own health instead of BLINDLY accepting what is frankly a
    scandalous lie making the pharmaceutical industry very wealthy.

    money is certainly not the only issue here, bovinizing the population is most likely the main
    objective. we certainly pay a very heavy price for a deal with satan

    what do we want big industry for anyway? name me a good reason lol

    anyway, not for medicine omg certainly not

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes

    Quoted message said:

    Where's the evidence that they work??

    There's lots of evidence. If you don't know this, it's because you haven't looked.

    Here's an example. In the USA, measles was an epidemic disease, with hundreds of thousands of
    cases per year, for a long time. Then measles vaccination was introduced in the mid-1960s. Now
    there are a few hundred cases per year in the US. If you have another explanation for this, I'd
    be interested in hearing it.

    I'd also like to hear your explanation for the disappearance of polio in the Western Hemisphere,
    the reduction in mumps and rubella right along with measles, and so on.

    By the way, they do research studies on new vaccines before they're released -- if the vaccines
    can't be shown to be effective in reducing the disease, they are not released. I know, for
    example, that this was done with chicken pox, because I looked up the studies myself.

    Quoted message said:

    I have refused to have my daughter vaccinated (U.K) and offered for her


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take part in a study of 100 vaccinated against 100 unvaccinated children. His reply "It would be
    unethical to do this" Why? Probably because the findings would not support the claims made by
    the pharmaceutical


    industry.

    Quoted message said:


    No, because she's being put unnecessarily at risk. By you.

    Quoted message said:

    In Australia they have never vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and


    surprise

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    surprise it dropped off exactly the same way that all the other deceases did, not due to
    vaccinations.

    There is no vaccination against Scarlet Fever, which is a type of strep infection. We treat such
    infections with antibiotics.

    Quoted message said:

    In Japan they raised the minimum age of vaccination to over a year and SIDS/Cotdeaths plummeted.
    To one of the lowest in the world. Later they returned to the usual vaccination program time
    tables and the incidents


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    SIDS/Cotdeath returned to their original levels.

    This is a popular myth, circulated by anti-vaccination people.

    Quoted message said:

    Autism it increasing at an alarming rate, and this is NOT due to it being recognised more
    frequently.

    Some of it is.

    Quoted message said:

    THERE ARE VAST AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN BEING DAMAGED and who's representing them? The same industry
    that produces the possible/probable cause of their damage!

    I thought they were being represented by lawyers. Or maybe their parents. Your sentences don't
    even make any sense.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Martin

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Noakes
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >This really is one of the most important areas of our lives that need to be addressed. After
    > >all in America many states have removed the option of refusing vaccinations,
    >
    > Carey already exposed that assertion as bogus.
    >
    > >What's the problem? If vaccinations work the only people who should worry about contracting
    > >decease are the unvaccinated!
    >
    > Wrong. Vaccinations do not work 100% of the time (what does?) and some people cannot be
    > vaccinated for various medical reasons.
    >
    > >I'm sure that no one on this newsgroup really believes that governments of any colour or
    > >country actually care about the welfare of the masses.
    >
    > So what? Vaccination still works.
    >
    > >"Quintal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> newswithviews.comjames.htm
    > >>
    > >> WHY YOU SHOULD AVOID TAKING VACCINES
    > >>
    > >> By Dr. James Howenstine, MD. December 7, 2003 NewsWithViews.com
    > >>
    >
    > <Nonsensical blather deleted. Does this Howenstine really have an MD? They should take it away
    > from him if so, since he clearly snoozed through too many of his classes.>
    >
    > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    > always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on
    > my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
    >
    >
    >



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