Why Steel sucks

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

cT = 1.0

jim beam said:

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Quoted message said:

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

Quoted message said:

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

Quoted message said:

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

Quoted message said:

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

cT = 1.0

Is that an even higher score than a "9.95 on the Troll-o-Meter" ?

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

Quoted message said:

cT = 1.0

Is that an even higher score than a "9.95 on the Troll-o-Meter" ?

My slide rule converter only gives a 3.5. It's just not edgy enough
trolling for my taste.

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.
1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks
2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.
3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.
I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

cT = 1.0

Is that an even higher score than a "9.95 on the Troll-o-Meter" ?

yes, a solid 100%.

landotter said:

On Aug 13, 10:18 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

On Aug 13, 9:54 pm, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Brian Peppers wrote:
> Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
> meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
> If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 2) Steel /rusts/
> I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
> people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
> I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 3) Steel is /noodly/
> This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
> last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
> frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
> with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
> same.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
> replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
> and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cT = 1.0

Quoted message said:

Is that an even higher score than a "9.95 on the Troll-o-Meter" ?

My slide rule converter only gives a 3.5. It's just not edgy enough
trolling for my taste.

Agreed. Yawns all around are the signs of an obvious and crappy
troll.

E.P.

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

And worst of all - your tongue freezes and sticks to it when you lick
the frame in the winter. Ouch!!

In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
can purchase a new frame..

Steel works anywhere. fancy stuff is NOT fixable anywhere.

I rest my case.

Ken, Canada

In article <[email hidden]>,

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this
isn't meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Here we go again...

Quoted message said:

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy If I want to go pump
iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

What weighs more- a pound of steel or a pound of aluminum?

Quoted message said:

2) Steel /rusts/ I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after
every ride. I know you people are out there, and hell, I don't even
care if you marry each other. I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

I clean my bikes every couple of years whether they need it or not.
I've never had a problem with steel rusting. I ride only steel framed
bikes- one of which is 11 years old, one of which is 8 years old, one of
which is two years old. Zero rust problems.

Quoted message said:

3) Steel is /noodly/ This is the most nebulous of why i think steel
sucks so i'm putting it last, but it's one of the most important.
Even when ive had a good steel frame, there's a definite 'going bad'
that starts from day one. Kinda like with fine cheese, steel just
goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the same.

Uh huh. And the metallurgical reason for this is???

Quoted message said:

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know
personally and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

All three of them were [censored]. Sorry if that was flippant.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this
isn't meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Here we go again...

Quoted message said:

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy If I want to go pump
iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

What weighs more- a pound of steel or a pound of aluminum?

Quoted message said:

2) Steel /rusts/ I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after
every ride. I know you people are out there, and hell, I don't even
care if you marry each other. I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

I clean my bikes every couple of years whether they need it or not.
I've never had a problem with steel rusting. I ride only steel framed
bikes- one of which is 11 years old, one of which is 8 years old, one of
which is two years old. Zero rust problems.

Quoted message said:

3) Steel is /noodly/ This is the most nebulous of why i think steel
sucks so i'm putting it last, but it's one of the most important.
Even when ive had a good steel frame, there's a definite 'going bad'
that starts from day one. Kinda like with fine cheese, steel just
goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the same.

Uh huh. And the metallurgical reason for this is???

Quoted message said:

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know
personally and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

All three of them were [censored]. Sorry if that was flippant.

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Ken Pischko said:

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Quoted message said:

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

Quoted message said:

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

Quoted message said:

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

Quoted message said:

I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

And worst of all - your tongue freezes and sticks to it when you lick
the frame in the winter. Ouch!!

In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
can purchase a new frame..

Steel works anywhere. fancy stuff is NOT fixable anywhere.

I rest my case.

Ken, Canada

Hey Ken, I know you did a fabulous trip around Oz and I enjoyed
reading your stories. You would have noticed we got electricity in,
shortly before you arrived. We're still struggling with knives and
forks though. However, we can weld aluminium, indeed it's a mainstay
in the outback (roo bars etc.) and you'll find MIG welders and good
skills all over. Maybe not nice fine stuff, but enough to get you
home. Or you can always use a bit of fencing wire glued together with
wattle gum as a splint.

For CF, just pop over to the local airfield if you want to bodgy up a
hole - CF is essential for the ultralights.

As for Ti, well, who ever needs to fix that?

Donga ;-)

landotter said:

On Aug 13, 10:18 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

On Aug 13, 9:54 pm, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Brian Peppers wrote:
> Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
> meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
> If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 2) Steel /rusts/
> I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
> people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
> I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 3) Steel is /noodly/
> This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
> last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
> frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
> with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
> same.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I know there are other reasons why steel sucks, so please no flippant
> replies about what I forgot, okay, This is just from what I know personally
> and I tried to keep it to the big 3.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cT = 1.0

Quoted message said:

Is that an even higher score than a "9.95 on the Troll-o-Meter" ?

My slide rule converter only gives a 3.5. It's just not edgy enough
trolling for my taste.

We are talking about different aspects. I'm talking total troll
*quantity*, and you are looking at troll quality. IMO, the OP put up a
pure troll, but not a very good one. So, we're both right! 🙂

Brian Peppers said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

Oh, please don't tell my wife any of this. She loves her old steel step
through forest green Specialized Rockhopper. With new tires and a
little TLC, it rides like a dream, she says. I can't bring myself to
tell her how obsolete it is. =] She keeps it in the den, so the rust is
no problem. =]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:36:24 -0800, Brian Peppers <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Note these are my personal opinions based on experience and this isn't
meant to be an exhaustive list or something for the FAQ.

1) Steel is /heavy/ - steel is ridiciously heavy
If I want to go pump iron I'll go to the gym, thanks

2) Steel /rusts/
I'm not the kinda guy to wipe down my bike after every ride. I know you
people are out there, and hell, I don't even care if you marry each other.
I'ts just I'm not that kinda guy.

3) Steel is /noodly/
This is the most nebulous of why i think steel sucks so i'm putting it
last, but it's one of the most important. Even when ive had a good steel
frame, there's a definite 'going bad' that starts from day one. Kinda like
with fine cheese, steel just goes bad after awhile, even if it smells the
same.

I'll give you a two out of 10 on the troll rating, since the trolling
is so obvious it gets suckers like me to respond that you're a troll.

You're a troll.

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Ken Pischko said:

And worst of all - your tongue freezes and sticks to it when you lick
the frame in the winter. Ouch!!

Hahaha.
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Ken Pischko said:

In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
can purchase a new frame..

Are you serious about this being an advantage? Do you tour in remote
areas and crack frames?
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Donga said:

Hey Ken, I know you did a fabulous trip around Oz and I enjoyed
reading your stories. You would have noticed we got electricity in,
shortly before you arrived. We're still struggling with knives and
forks though. However, we can weld aluminium, indeed it's a mainstay
in the outback (roo bars etc.) and you'll find MIG welders and good
skills all over. Maybe not nice fine stuff, but enough to get you
home.

Hahaha. There goes that old chestnut of being stranded (and dying,
presumably, or at least swallowing one's pride and not cycling home)
with an aluminum frame.

Thanks.

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Ken Pischko said:

In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
can purchase a new frame..

Are you serious about this being an advantage? Do you tour in remote
areas and crack frames?

Oh god. Not this thread again!

\\paul

Paul Myron Hobson said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:55:24 +0400, Ken Pischko <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
can purchase a new frame..

Quoted message said:

Are you serious about this being an advantage? Do you tour in remote
areas and crack frames?

Oh god. Not this thread again!

Frame material matters little if you carry some baling wire.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:55:24 +0400, Ken Pischko <[email hidden]> wrote:
> In all honesty, my touring bike is steel and it can be welded anywhere -
> like in outback Australia - while Al and the other frames will make you
> take a bus (if you can find one) to a bike shop 600 miles away where you
> can purchase a new frame..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Are you serious about this being an advantage? Do you tour in remote
areas and crack frames?

Quoted message said:

Paul Myron Hobson said:

Oh god. Not this thread again!

landotter said:

Frame material matters little if you carry some baling wire.

Haha. I was referring to this: http://tinyurl.com/24mrkb

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