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  1. I suspect Northamptonshire County Council are being somewhat harsh in cutting the bus -- but 3 miles
    along a straight, fairly level if reasonably busy road should be well within the cycling abilities
    of 11 year olds. The A43 crossing is not great -- but Darwinian principles apply and any kids that
    manage the first week will probably survive to fail their GCSE ;-o

    It would keep the little darlings fit as well so they would be able to walk for an hour
    without whining.

    T

    northamptontoday.co.ukViewArticle.aspx

    Article reproduced below.

    streetmap.co.uknewmap.srf
    srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

    Sywell Village clearly shown. The school is just off map next door to the hotel shown in square 1,3.

    The article says

    Long trek to school...

    Features Editor Sarah Freeman sets off with the boys on their long walk from Sywell, through
    Overstone, to school in Moulton

    "It was bad enough doing it this morning, but what about every afternoon as well, five days a week"
    Christopher Thorneycroft

    We join youngsters on the walk they face after schoolbus service is withdrawn. IT'S 8.03am and I am
    walking to school. Accompanied by 11-year-old Jack Trusler and picking up his friend, Christopher
    Thorneycroft, along the way, we are road testing the route they will tread each morning and each
    afternoon when they start their first term at Moulton School in just a few weeks' time.

    Along with the 30 or so children who live in the villages of Overstone and Sywell, the pair have
    been told they will no longer qualify for free bus passes under new rules implemented by
    Northamptonshire County Council.

    For parents without cars or who are struggling to get another child to a different school, the only
    option will be to walk. And while there will be inevitable calls of "it will do them good" and "I
    used to walk twice that far in my day", times and school timetables have changed.

    Not wanting to be outdone by two 11-year-olds, all three of us set off carrying back packs
    containing exercise books, a packed lunch and PE kit and, according to Christopher's mum, I also
    have cooking today, so have been given an extra carrier bag full of flour, sugar and cocoa powder.

    The parents, who have been contesting the county council's decision, wave us off and the walk, which
    should take us three quarters of an hour, begins.

    From Sywell, we walk through Overstone and reach the Pytchley Gate junction, which will lead us to
    the A43, at a little before 8.30am and already we are beginning to flag. "That's about half a mile,
    just another two-and-a-half to go," says Christopher, helpfully, as Jack struggles to adjust his
    backpack. "It's just silly."

    I am beginning to agree, but, having committed to do the walk, there is no turning back. On a
    summer's morning, overlooking the cars, many of which are clearly ignoring the 40mph speed limit,
    Overstone Lane is quite picturesque. But, in a few weeks' time, dark nights and mornings will be the
    norm, not forgetting the winter wind, rain and snow.

    There is also the question of street lighting or rather lack of it . . . a criteria not included in
    the county council's benchmark for determining safe routes for children walking to school. Allowing
    any child to walk along an unlit and, for the most part, deserted stretch of road doesn't appear to
    fit in with the increasingly vocal message of vigilance and safety, but nevertheless Jack,
    Christopher and I plough on.

    "My shoulder's starting to hurt a bit," say Jack, as the three of us stand at the end of the
    footpath waiting to cross to the other side.

    Helpfully, the path ends on one side and begins on the other on a blind corner and, after several
    aborted attempts, we make it to the other side at
    8.37am - the bell signalling 10 minutes to registration would have rung two minutes ago.

    "We are already late," says Christopher. "That means we would have to get up even earlier. I got up
    at 7am today and I was groggy, I don't know what I'd be like if I had to get up any earlier.

    "My old school took five minutes max to walk to and for Jack it was even quicker; this is like a
    marathon."

    We reach the A43 and, even accounting for the reduced amount of traffic because of the school
    holidays, we are faced with a constant stream of lorries and cars coming off and on to the
    roundabout.

    According to the county council, it is acceptable for children to cross the road as there is a
    central refuge where they can wait. Jack and Christopher are not convinced.

    "We can go now," says Jack, but as he prepares to step out has second thoughts. "I wouldn't really
    want to cross on my own.

    "There's just three of us, but if you got a big group you wouldn't be able to fit all in the middle.
    It's a bit scary."

    Three minutes later, we are at the other side, but, with a good 10 to 15 minute walk into the
    village ahead of us, we are guaranteed to miss the start of school at 8.45am.

    "It's all the way down there, round the corner and through an alley," says Christopher. "We have to
    keep going."

    We finally arrive at the front gates of Moulton School at 8.58am, 55 minutes after we set off and
    more than 10 minutes late for what would have been the start of registration.

    "I wouldn't fancy going into lessons now, I'd fall asleep," says Christopher, as we all take off our
    backpacks.

    "It was bad enough doing it this morning, but what about every afternoon as well, five days a week?

    "It's not just not fair."

    After nearly an hour's walking with a bag full of books and equipment, I have to agree.

    21 August 2003

  2. Tony W said:


    From Sywell, we walk through Overstone and reach the Pytchley Gate junction, which will lead us to
    the A43, at a little before 8.30am and already we are beginning to flag.

    After half a mile? FFS!

    Quoted message said:

    I am beginning to agree, but, having committed to do the walk, there is no turning back. On a
    summer's morning, overlooking the cars, many of which are clearly ignoring the 40mph speed limit,
    Overstone Lane is quite picturesque. But, in a few weeks' time, dark nights and mornings will be
    the norm, not forgetting the winter wind, rain and snow.

    There is also the question of street lighting or rather lack of it . . . a criteria not included
    in the county council's benchmark for determining safe routes for children walking to school.
    Allowing any child to walk along an unlit and, for the most part, deserted stretch of road doesn't
    appear to fit in with the increasingly vocal message of vigilance and safety, but nevertheless
    Jack, Christopher and I plough on.

    Hmm, I have mixed feelings, dark mornings and evenings are just around the corner, and if the road
    is truly unlit, that's a bit [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    "My shoulder's starting to hurt a bit," say Jack, as the three of us stand at the end of the
    footpath waiting to cross to the other side.

    Time to get a decent bag and stand up straight then.

    Quoted message said:

    "We are already late," says Christopher. "That means we would have to get up even earlier. I got
    up at 7am today and I was groggy, I don't know what I'd be like if I had to get up any earlier.

    Time management - get to bed earlier and get up earlier - net result is neutral but you'll be places
    on time without feeling [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    "My old school took five minutes max to walk to and for Jack it was even quicker;

    Ahh, the changeability of life..

    Quoted message said:

    this is like a marathon."

    School walk = 3 miles Marathon run = 26 miles

    nuff said.

    Quoted message said:

    "I wouldn't fancy going into lessons now, I'd fall asleep," says Christopher, as we all take off
    our backpacks.

    Then there is something wrong - anyone sleepy after a 3 mile walk, especially the young, needs help.
    They should be alert and pumped up!

    Quoted message said:

    "It's not just not fair."

    Life isn't and the sooner the little scrotes learn this the better.

    --
    Dnc

  3. A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if I
    thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is sad.
    We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers about.
    Dirty [censored].

    On top of that, the traffic nowadays is too bad for any child to be cycling on a busy road. Even us
    adults in this group go on about this subject.

    Slim

    "Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect Northamptonshire County Council are being somewhat harsh in cutting the bus -- but 3
    miles along a straight, fairly level if


    reasonably

    Quoted message said:

    busy road should be well within the cycling abilities of 11 year olds.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    A43 crossing is not great -- but Darwinian principles apply and any kids that manage the first
    week will probably survive to fail their GCSE ;-o

    It would keep the little darlings fit as well so they would be able to


    walk

    Quoted message said:

    for an hour without whining.

    T


    northamptontoday.co.ukViewArticle.aspx 78776

    Quoted message said:


    Article reproduced below.


    streetmap.co.uknewmap.srf
    &st=4&ar=N&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

    Quoted message said:


    Sywell Village clearly shown. The school is just off map next door to the hotel shown in
    square 1,3.

    The article says

    Long trek to school...

    Features Editor Sarah Freeman sets off with the boys on their long walk


    from

    Quoted message said:

    Sywell, through Overstone, to school in Moulton

    "It was bad enough doing it this morning, but what about every afternoon


    as

    Quoted message said:

    well, five days a week" Christopher Thorneycroft

    We join youngsters on the walk they face after schoolbus service is withdrawn. IT'S 8.03am and I
    am walking to school. Accompanied by 11-year-old Jack Trusler and picking up his friend,
    Christopher Thorneycroft, along the


    way,

    Quoted message said:

    we are road testing the route they will tread each morning and each afternoon when they start
    their first term at Moulton School in just a few weeks' time.

    Along with the 30 or so children who live in the villages of Overstone and Sywell, the pair have
    been told they will no longer qualify for free bus passes under new rules implemented by
    Northamptonshire County Council.

    For parents without cars or who are struggling to get another child to a different school, the
    only option will be to walk. And while there will be inevitable calls of "it will do them good"
    and "I used to walk twice that far in my day", times and school timetables have changed.

    Not wanting to be outdone by two 11-year-olds, all three of us set off carrying back packs
    containing exercise books, a packed lunch and PE kit and, according to Christopher's mum, I also
    have cooking today, so have


    been

    Quoted message said:

    given an extra carrier bag full of flour, sugar and cocoa powder.

    The parents, who have been contesting the county council's decision, wave


    us

    Quoted message said:

    off and the walk, which should take us three quarters of an hour, begins.

    From Sywell, we walk through Overstone and reach the Pytchley Gate


    junction,

    Quoted message said:

    which will lead us to the A43, at a little before 8.30am and already we


    are

    Quoted message said:

    beginning to flag. "That's about half a mile, just another two-and-a-half to go," says
    Christopher, helpfully, as Jack struggles to adjust his backpack. "It's


    just

    Quoted message said:

    silly."

    I am beginning to agree, but, having committed to do the walk, there is no turning back. On a
    summer's morning, overlooking the cars, many of which are clearly ignoring the 40mph speed limit,
    Overstone Lane is quite picturesque. But,


    in

    Quoted message said:

    a few weeks' time, dark nights and mornings will be the norm, not


    forgetting

    Quoted message said:

    the winter wind, rain and snow.

    There is also the question of street lighting or rather lack of it . . . a criteria not included
    in the county council's benchmark for determining


    safe

    Quoted message said:

    routes for children walking to school. Allowing any child to walk along an unlit and, for the most
    part, deserted stretch of road doesn't appear to fit in with the increasingly vocal


    message

    Quoted message said:

    of vigilance and safety, but nevertheless Jack, Christopher and I plough


    on.

    Quoted message said:


    "My shoulder's starting to hurt a bit," say Jack, as the three of us stand at the end of the
    footpath waiting to cross to the other side.

    Helpfully, the path ends on one side and begins on the other on a blind corner and, after several
    aborted attempts, we make it to the other side


    at

    Quoted message said:

    8.37am - the bell signalling 10 minutes to registration would have rung


    two

    Quoted message said:

    minutes ago.

    "We are already late," says Christopher. "That means we would have to get


    up

    Quoted message said:

    even earlier. I got up at 7am today and I was groggy, I don't know what


    I'd

    Quoted message said:

    be like if I had to get up any earlier.

    "My old school took five minutes max to walk to and for Jack it was even quicker; this is like a
    marathon."

    We reach the A43 and, even accounting for the reduced amount of traffic because of the school
    holidays, we are faced with a constant stream of lorries and cars coming off and on to the
    roundabout.

    According to the county council, it is acceptable for children to cross


    the

    Quoted message said:

    road as there is a central refuge where they can wait. Jack and


    Christopher

    Quoted message said:

    are not convinced.

    "We can go now," says Jack, but as he prepares to step out has second thoughts. "I wouldn't really
    want to cross on my own.

    "There's just three of us, but if you got a big group you wouldn't be able to fit all in the
    middle. It's a bit scary."

    Three minutes later, we are at the other side, but, with a good 10 to 15 minute walk into the
    village ahead of us, we are guaranteed to miss the start of school at 8.45am.

    "It's all the way down there, round the corner and through an alley," says Christopher. "We have
    to keep going."

    We finally arrive at the front gates of Moulton School at 8.58am, 55


    minutes

    Quoted message said:

    after we set off and more than 10 minutes late for what would have been


    the

    Quoted message said:

    start of registration.

    "I wouldn't fancy going into lessons now, I'd fall asleep," says Christopher, as we all take off
    our backpacks.

    "It was bad enough doing it this morning, but what about every afternoon


    as

    Quoted message said:

    well, five days a week?

    "It's not just not fair."

    After nearly an hour's walking with a bag full of books and equipment, I have to agree.

    21 August 2003

  4. "Doesnotcompute" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Allowing any child to walk along an unlit and, for the most part,


    deserted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stretch of road doesn't appear to fit in with the increasingly vocal


    message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of vigilance and safety, but nevertheless Jack, Christopher and I plough


    on.

    Quoted message said:


    Hmm, I have mixed feelings, dark mornings and evenings are just around the corner, and if the road
    is truly unlit, that's a bit [censored].

    Most of the journey is through Overstone -- a typical ribbon village. I'm not sure how much lighting
    there is -- but I am faily sure it is not completely devoid.

    Anyway, fully dark mornings/evenings only affect a relatively few days of the year at
    school run time.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    "It's not just not fair."

    Life isn't and the sooner the little scrotes learn this the better.

    I'm glad I'm not the only heartless old [censored] then

    : )

    T

  5. "The Real Slim Shady" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if
    I thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is
    sad. We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers
    about. Dirty [censored].

    Firstly, I am unconvinced by the arguement that there are any more perverts arround now than
    previously. Why should the % of perverts change in such an evelutionary short time? OK -- less of
    them may now be Catholic (or other) priests -- and there may be a slight increase due to reduced
    'respect for/fear of authority' (though this is unlikely and detection is more likely given DNA
    profiling) -- but I suspect you are mainly being overconcerned by the sensationalist reporting.

    Quoted message said:

    On top of that, the traffic nowadays is too bad for any child to be


    cycling

    Quoted message said:

    on a busy road. Even us adults in this group go on about this subject.

    That would be a concern -- though, again, road safety figures are possibly better now than they were
    in the 70's & 80's (not so sure about the 50's -- I was still pissing my nappies).

    Wafflycat (aka Paving Slab Fairy) regularly (I understand) escorted her genetic inheritance to and
    from school by bike. Such an option would be open to concerned parents. Given that the article
    suggests 30 children are affected (say 15-20 families) there must be some options for
    co-operation/sharing escort duties.

    My point is that cycling is an option here -- but that it has been completely ignored by our
    fearless reporter.

    T

  6. Tony W said:

    Most of the journey is through Overstone -- a typical ribbon village. I'm not sure how much
    lighting there is -- but I am faily sure it is not completely devoid.

    Anyway, fully dark mornings/evenings only affect a relatively few days of the year at school
    run time.

    True, but there's also the consideration of idiots and weirdos. Let's face it, kids lark about when
    in groups and uniforms are generally dark. This is not good when combined with fading light and a
    fast road.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "It's not just not fair."

    Life isn't and the sooner the little scrotes learn this the better.

    I'm glad I'm not the only heartless old [censored] then

    : )

    Heartless - maybe, Old - actually not, but might as well be, 25 going on 45 [censored] - technically
    not, but maybe when combined 1 and 2 : )

    --
    Dnc

  7. "The Real Slim Shady" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if
    I thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is
    sad. We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers
    about. Dirty [censored].

    The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. The idea that the country is full of predatory paedos is
    entirely a figment of the tabloid imagnation - not that these sickos don't exist, as they always
    did, but the vast majority of abuse happens within the family.

    One thing, though - the scope for the small number of sickos to operate has increased since in the
    last three decades or so pedestrian traffic to and from schools in particular has been decimated,
    leaving many fewer passers-by to observe and deter. Just another hidden social cost of the great
    car economy.

    Walking buses (and bike trains) are one solution. The other is for Mummy to take Tarquin and Jocasta
    in the car to protect them from the danger caused by all those mummies taking Tarquin and Jocasta to
    school in the car. Only that's not so much a solution as the source of the problem. Wait and see
    what happens to your local traffic jams in the next two weeks.

    Quoted message said:

    On top of that, the traffic nowadays is too bad for any child to be


    cycling

    Quoted message said:

    on a busy road. Even us adults in this group go on about this subject.

    Mine do. Mine cycle to school and various other places.

    --
    Guy
    ===

    WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com

  8. The Real Slim Shady said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if I
    thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is sad.
    We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers about.
    Dirty [censored].

    Are there any more child molesters and flashers about than 50 years ago?

    Quoted message said:

    On top of that, the traffic nowadays is too bad for any child to be cycling on a busy road. Even us
    adults in this group go on about this subject.


    --
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  9. "Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wafflycat (aka Paving Slab Fairy) regularly (I understand) escorted her genetic inheritance to and
    from school by bike. Such an option would be open to concerned parents. Given that the article
    suggests 30 children


    are

    Quoted message said:

    affected (say 15-20 families) there must be some options for co-operation/sharing escort duties.

    And here's another:

    chapmancentral.comme n u2

    --
    Guy
    ===

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  10. On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:41:16 +0100 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
    quoted this:-

    Quoted message said:

    For parents without cars or who are struggling to get another child to a different school, the only
    option will be to walk.

    Incorrect.

    Quoted message said:

    And while there will be inevitable calls of "it will do them good"

    It probably will.

    Quoted message said:

    and "I used to walk twice that far in my day",

    I can still walk at least five times that far and I am a lot less fit than I was when I was 11.

    I lived a lot further than that from school and when the buses were on strike walked to and from
    school. The routes included one through fields, over two rivers, over a railway line by footpath
    crossing and level crossing and country lanes. The alternatives included busy roads and river
    crossings.

    Quoted message said:

    times and school timetables have changed.

    Have they really?

    Quoted message said:

    I also have cooking today, so have been given an extra carrier bag full of flour, sugar and
    cocoa powder.

    It doesn't fit into the rucksack? Get a bigger one:-)

    Quoted message said:

    On a summer's morning, overlooking the cars, many of which are clearly ignoring the 40mph
    speed limit,

    Time for the council and the police to do something about it then.

    Quoted message said:

    "My shoulder's starting to hurt a bit," say Jack,

    He will soon get used to it.

    Quoted message said:

    I got up at 7am today and I was groggy, I don't know what I'd be like if I had to get up
    any earlier.

    Ditto.

    Quoted message said:

    We reach the A43 and, even accounting for the reduced amount of traffic because of the school
    holidays, we are faced with a constant stream of lorries and cars coming off and on to the
    roundabout.

    Time for the council to do something about it.

    Quoted message said:

    "I wouldn't fancy going into lessons now, I'd fall asleep," says Christopher, as we all take off
    our backpacks.

    Then he is not very fit. The walk should have warmed him up nicely and put him in an ideal frame of
    mind for learning. Hopefully he will get fitter in a few months.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  11. In "]news:[email hidden], The Real Slim Shady
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if
    I thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is
    sad. We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers
    about. Dirty [censored].

    Actually we do. The number of children murdered a year by strangers has hardly changed in 30+ years
    at around 6-10 and is only a small percentage of the number murdered by friends and family. OTOH
    media reporting these days gives the perception that the risk is enormous. Bit like cycling really.
    The kids will probably benefit far more in life expectancy from the exercise.

    Tony

    --
    "If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain

  12. Doesnotcompute said:

    Time to get a decent bag and stand up straight then.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Then there is something wrong - anyone sleepy after a 3 mile walk, especially the young, needs
    help. They should be alert and pumped up!

    Before making criticisms like that, I would suggest considering the following 2 snippets: "all three
    of us set off carrying back packs containing exercise books, a packed lunch and PE kit and,
    according to Christopher's mum, I also have cooking today, so have been given an extra carrier bag
    full of flour, sugar and cocoa powder."

    "After nearly an hour's walking with a bag full of books and equipment"

    The weight of books and equipment that had to be carted to and from school every day, in order to
    have books available for both homework and schoolwork, was ludicrous when I was at school in the
    eighties. I understand it's got progressively worse since then. For youngsters whose skeletons are
    still developing to carry that sort of weight for ten hours a week is a recipe for back problems
    later in life, though as you state a decent bag and posture will help.

    What they need, of course, is bikes and panniers.

    --
    Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( juggler.netdanny ) Recumbent cycle page:
    speedy5.freeserve.co.ukrecumbents "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -
    Thomas Paine

  13. Danny Colyer said:
    Doesnotcompute said:

    Time to get a decent bag and stand up straight then.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Then there is something wrong - anyone sleepy after a 3 mile walk, especially the young, needs
    help. They should be alert and pumped up!

    Before making criticisms like that, I would suggest considering the following 2 snippets:

    <snip>

    I still maintain that nyone who is /sleepy/ after a 3 mile walk at gentle pace, even with luggage,
    has something not quite right.

    To be worn out, would be one thing (still not good!) but to be sleepy is somehting entirely
    different.

    I don't disagree that weight of luggage is probably excessive, but as you agree, measures can be
    made towards easing that aspect.

    Your point about wheels and panniers cannot be argued 🙂

    --
    Dnc

  14. The Real Slim Shady said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if I
    thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is sad.
    We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers about.
    Dirty [censored].


    Rather overplayed I fear.

  15. The Real Slim Shady said:

    We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers about.
    Dirty [censored].

    There are, and they are, but they are far less numerous than the Daily Wail would have us believe.
    Reaching across and refering to my "Keeping Children Safe" course material I read that 98% of child
    abuse is committed within the family. The boogie man might be usefull for political campaigns but
    he's not very realistic.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, one of infinite monkeys

    at the keyboard of 'Tony W said:

    Bikes and desks would be better. We kept all the books we didn't need for homework in our desks
    at school.

    You had _books_? Luxury!

    --
    Axis of Evil: Whose economy needs ever more wars? Arms Exports $bn: USA 14.2, UK 5.1, vs France 1.5,
    Germany 0.8 (The Economist, July 2002)

  17. "Danny Colyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    What they need, of course, is bikes and panniers.

    Bikes and desks would be better. We kept all the books we didn't need for homework in our desks at
    school. Revolutionary, I know -- but it could catch on.

    T

  18. Quoted message said:

    After half a mile? FFS!

    I tend to agree, but seeing what Nathan has to carry to school these days, I do have *some*
    sympathy. If it's anything like Nathan's school, the kids no longer have desks in which to keep
    their books, and no lockers either. Literally it's every single text book, as well as exercise
    books, lunch box, PE kit, design folios that have to be carted there & back daily.I sxee the nation
    having an epidemic of back problems in years to come! :-) Of course, if they cycled it & had stuff
    in panniers/rack pack...

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm, I have mixed feelings, dark mornings and evenings are just around the corner, and if the road
    is truly unlit, that's a bit [censored].

    Yup - in a rural area certainly, roads tend to be unlit. I'll let Nathan cycle to school (approx 6,
    7 miles) but I would not let him walk. It's unlit, narrow country lanes with no footpaths.

    Quoted message said:


    School walk = 3 miles Marathon run = 26 miles

    Yup - Nathan at five could do five/six miles no bother - and did so regularly with local ramblers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "It's not just not fair."

    Life isn't and the sooner the little scrotes learn this the better.

    Indeed.

    Cheers, helen s

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  19. The Real Slim Shady said:

    A nice sentiment Tony. Unfortunately we no longer live in the 1950's. I would be beside myself if I
    thought my 11 year old daughter was cycling three miles across any sort of open space. This is sad.
    We have to be realistic though - there are these vermin called child molesters and flashers about.
    Dirty [censored].

    They were about then as well, not so mobile though. Mind I bet they got away with it more as well,
    nice people did not talk of such things.

    Some of the overprotection is becoming a health issue, and is bordering on the abusive. I dont know
    how I would have coped with a modern childhood. In the 1970's there were plenty of children in our
    area that were not allowed out much too, but these were the 'posh' ones. I think the true motive was
    to segeragate them from playing with uncouth working class scum and to protect their vowels.

    The real scarey now of course is the volume of traffic, the perverts are mainly busy preying on
    their own families.

    Richard Webb

  20. Doesnotcompute said:

    I still maintain that nyone who is /sleepy/ after a 3 mile walk at gentle pace, even with luggage,
    has something not quite right.

    I think this is on the money. Niece #2 is 9 IIRC, and a bookworm rather than a runaround. She's got
    her first Munro ticks, for gawd sake!

    Pete.
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