why not a woman??

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

Because a woman will never be able to come back from testicular cancer
to win the Tour de France 7 times.

-ilan

so illan is that a man or a womans name? do you really think this is
just about having balls then is that it? well how does having balls
make someone a good cyclist or, a good person? Im not talking about
anatamy I'm talking about equalness and if we are trying to figure out
who is the best how can we do that if we only think about half of the
people? and, how is a woman ever going to win the tour de-france if
they don't even let her enter it? maybe you and everyone else in this
googlegroup should go back to talking about how hot the women's
cyclists are, its ridiculous.

LYNDA

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

Quoted message said:

LYNDA

Because a woman will never be able to come back from testicular cancer
to win the Tour de France 7 times.

-ilan

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

Because a woman will never be able to come back from testicular cancer
to win the Tour de France 7 times.

-ilan

Coming back from Ovarian cancer and winning anything would be remarkable.

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Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

Because a woman will never be able to come back from testicular cancer
to win the Tour de France 7 times.

-ilan

What's Cynthia Compain up to lately?

GBMT

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

Do you really mean to say that the woman cyclist who wins the most races is
the BEST cyclist overall, or that the cyclist, regardless of sex, who wins
the most races is the BEST cyclist? If you're restricting "BEST cyclist" to
being, by definition, a woman... that's at least as sexist as what you're
railing against.

For what it's worth, two women come to mind as likely having won a whole lot
of races. Beryl Burton and J. Longo. How many each has won, I have no idea,
and even if it is in the neighborhood, or even surpassing, that of Eddy
Merckx, I'm sure some will claim that there was much less competition in the
women's events.

Looking forward to your reply-

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

bikinglynda said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best

I don't suppose you're a gorilla in drag ?

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

Beryl Burton
:-))

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all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

Look, there isn't just one dimension of 'cyclist'. There isn't just one
sort of thing people do on bikes.

Are these girls

the best cyclists ever? They can certainly do things with their bikes that
Eddie Merckx never could.

Or Rachel Atherton, ditto?

Or Jeannie Longo, who has what must be the longest career in world class
competitive racing of any cyclist ever, from winning the French national
championships in 1979 to coming 7th in the World Time Trial Championship
this year?

If your measure of cycling is road racing, then the best men can ride
faster for longer than the best women. That's just how we're made. If you
put a mixed peloton of male and female professional cyclists on any of the
classic courses, the first man would finish before the first woman.

Kind of so what? Is the best athlete the fastest ever, or the most
technically skilled ever, or the bravest ever, or the one who most fulfils
the potential of the genetics they were born with?

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bikinglynda said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best

I don't suppose you're a gorilla in drag ?

My first impression was it might be Lafferty doing a spin off from his
Mildred Newman, teacher at 4th grade dot com spoofs, or never doped. Sounds
like Never Doped.

Simon Brooke said:

If you
put a mixed peloton of male and female professional cyclists on any of the
classic courses, the first man would finish before the first woman.

Dumbass -

Google rbr, John Verheul, 2nd place.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

You could make a very good argument for Jeannie Longo being the best
women and one of the best overall. She had reasonably good competition
at spots in her career, nothing like Eddie though. I think if you
educate yourself on Eddie, you would have a hard time finding any
women who won against such strong competition and lots of people in
federations that wanted him not to win. He overcame a lot.

Based on your other posts, the best female cyclist will have to be
fast and UGLY right, because if she is pretty and fast and any of us
perverts comment on how pretty she is, that would make us sexist.
Right?

As for the compensation, Jeanson seemed to do OK raking in a few
million dollars without ever winning the big women races. They are not
exactly starving. I am sure there is money in the sport for people
willing to focus on the right races and smile for a product shot or
two.

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Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

LYNDA

It is against the Livedrunk charter.

The official rules state, "Anyone being discussed as a potential All Time
Best in any category must have a penis."

The rules also require that any discussions can not commence until all
participants have a beverage that contains at least 2 percent alcohol by
volume. It is also suggested that if the participants butts are on
furniture they should be on a stool instead of a seat.

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Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

You are kidding right? How many women ride in the pro peloton?

why do you think I am kidding?? I don't know what the pelotons are
but I assume they are bike races. are there pro women racing I dont
know but you are making my point, the women do with less then the
men. whether they are pro or not in our sexist society they have to
do more to get the same respect.

wikipedia says sara carrigan from australia won the last olympic medal
in cyclint (it says she is a pro too) so I would say she is the best
cyclist. I am sure she had to do more to get that then whatever man
won a medal. I'm sure they are very very good too but being a great
woman athlete is much much harder. why is that so hard for men to
understand. Ive been reading all the responses and the only one of
you who even seems to have a clue about that is the woman who calls
herself gmbt.

LYNDA

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

You are kidding right? How many women ride in the pro peloton?

Quoted message said:

why do you think I am kidding?? I don't know what the pelotons are
but I assume they are bike races. are there pro women racing I dont
know but you are making my point, the women do with less then the
men. whether they are pro or not in our sexist society they have to
do more to get the same respect.

wikipedia says sara carrigan from australia won the last olympic medal
in cyclint (it says she is a pro too) so I would say she is the best
cyclist. I am sure she had to do more to get that then whatever man
won a medal. I'm sure they are very very good too but being a great
woman athlete is much much harder. why is that so hard for men to
understand. Ive been reading all the responses and the only one of
you who even seems to have a clue about that is the woman who calls
herself gmbt.

LYNDA

Suggesting that it's tougher for a woman to be a great athlete compared to a
guy... well, that all depends upon how you define "great athlete." I would
say that it's easier for a woman to decide she wants to compete at the top
level, and win, than for a guy. Why?

#1: Less competition/smaller talent pool.

#2: Women, with a few very notable exceptions, appear less-willing to
mortgage their health by taking all manner of doping products. From what I
understand, doping is simply not as common. What this means is that those
who do... the Marion Jones & Tammy Thomas's of the world... they're able to
compete with a more definitive advantage over the rest of the field than
guys who dope. So, if a woman is willing to cheat, the case can be made that
it's actually easier for her to become a "great athlete."

I think we also have to look at something else here. Women, in general, may
not be as competitive as men in some athletic endeavors simply because
they're better people. The world is generally more tolerant of a highly
obnoxious ego-driven personality in a man than a woman. I don't think
leveling the playing field, if it means "elevating" women to such jerk
status, would improve the world. Better to knock down the guys a notch or
two (or three).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

all you guys are going on and on and on about this man named Merkyx (I
know who he is, one of my friends has his bike) to see if he is the
best but why do none of you mention the possibility that a woman
cyclist is best??? someone pointed out that the fame and the money
chance everything but the women don't get that do they? they have to
give those things up but presevere anyway. find the woman who wins
the most races and then you will find the BEST cyclist.

It is against the Livedrunk charter.

The official rules state, "Anyone being discussed as a potential All Time
Best in any category must have a penis."

The rules also require that any discussions can not commence until all
participants have a beverage that contains at least 2 percent alcohol by
volume. It is also suggested that if the participants butts are on
furniture they should be on a stool instead of a seat.

Two percent? A body will succumb to acute water poisoning
before catching a buzz.

--
Michael Press
Chief LIVEDRUNK Qualification Officer

Quoted message said:

Ive been reading all the responses and the only one of
you who even seems to have a clue about that is the woman who calls
herself gmbt.

*snort*

Well that was a funny moment to start the day with.
Thank you for that.

Bob Schwartz

PS GBMT's name is Bruce, and he's not really a fan of
the sport.

Quoted message said:

why do you think I am kidding?? I don't know what the pelotons are
but I assume they are bike races.

Sooooo -- you don't know anything about professional racing but you
think that a woman should be best.

Here's a clue - Olympic distances for women are purposely made
different then those of men so that direct comparisons aren't easily
made by people like you. In a one km time trial the men's record is
about 37.64 mph while the women's is 32.87 despite the fact that they
only had to go half the distance. This represents and absolute
measurement of the strength and endurance of men vs women.

Women have a distinct advantage over most men in climbing competitions
because they're usually smaller and lighter while having a larger
percentage of their body weight in leg muscles. At last year's Mt
Evans Hill Climb the first place woman in the open catagory would have
finished 10th in the men's 45+ age bracket.She would have finished
45th in the open men's catagory.

In the past I have supported my daughters racing and they achieved
notable things and will have memories of their teenage racing years. I
also supported women's racing and getting ever more women into
cycling.

But the idea that you can compare the absolute performance of men and
women is over the top.

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so illan is that a man or a womans name? do you really think this is
just about having balls then is that it? well how does having balls
make someone a good cyclist or, a good person? Im not talking about
anatamy I'm talking about equalness and if we are trying to figure out
who is the best how can we do that if we only think about half of the
people? and, how is a woman ever going to win the tour de-france if
they don't even let her enter it? maybe you and everyone else in this
googlegroup should go back to talking about how hot the women's
cyclists are, its ridiculous.

Oh, okay.
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R