Why low carb?

There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

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MMu said:

>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

If you believe fairy tale this then go on a protein and fat diet and
have zero carbs. I would suggest you keep your medical coverage paid

up

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cuz you going to need it. Look at the jerk that treid to eat Micky

D's

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for all his meals. Very little carbs and it damn near killed him.

Good

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god even the most basic basic nutrition test book will tell you how
wrong this is.
-DF

Sure there is.....meat!

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

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MMu wrote:

>>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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> well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

If you believe fairy tale this then go on a protein and fat diet and
have zero carbs. I would suggest you keep your medical coverage paid

up

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cuz you going to need it. Look at the jerk that treid to eat Micky

D's

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for all his meals. Very little carbs and it damn near killed him.

Good

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god even the most basic basic nutrition test book will tell you how
wrong this is.
-DF

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Your brain can run on carbs. It can also run on ketones.

I have yet to see a person with a low glucose spinal fluid not in a como.
The brain needs glucose and low values are bad news. Ketone bodies
supplement the glucose and not replace it.
I have seen doctors run from the lab with a low CSF glucose and grab an IV
dex bag and run back up.

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Bob (this one) said:

MMu wrote:

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>>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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> well put.

Quoted message said:

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Really?! Did you know your brain runs on carbs?

Patrick

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Bob (this one) said:

MMu wrote:

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>>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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> well put.

Quoted message said:

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Really?! Did you know your brain runs on carbs?

That's true, but they needn't have come from the diet. A big chunk of
the protein you eat each day ends up being converted to glucose to fuel
the brain. Some dietary carbs are a good idea as they prevent ketosis,
which is a bad thing long term, but only relatively small amounts are
needed to do that. Also it makes life easier for your body if some of
the more exotic sugars are provided ready-made in food rather than
having to be synthesized from glucose by the body.

MattLB

That is true but energy is required to change one form to another. It is
easier on the body as you state if the closest chemical provided is eaten.
Even animal meat protein has to be converted to human protein that is
different and is a less efficient conversion compared to eating human flesh.
They had that cannibal program on TV stating that. They wanted to know the
origins of cannibalism and whether it was genetically influenced. They have
found genetically differed susceptibility involving prion disease and how it
evolved if for the only reason being that humans must have eaten humans.
Those that survived the disease passed on the genes of resistance.

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

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MMu wrote:

>>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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Quoted message said:

> well put.

But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

If you believe fairy tale this then go on a protein and fat diet and
have zero carbs. I would suggest you keep your medical coverage paid

up

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cuz you going to need it. Look at the jerk that treid to eat Micky

D's

Quoted message said:

for all his meals. Very little carbs and it damn near killed him.

Good

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god even the most basic basic nutrition test book will tell you how
wrong this is.
-DF

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Sure there is.....meat!

Meat and potatoes and a statin for dessert. Ahh, that's life!!!!!!!

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

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> MMu wrote:
>
>>>person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course

proteins.

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>
>> well put.
>
> But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet for
> carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels for our
> biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but they aren't
> necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

If you believe fairy tale this then go on a protein and fat diet and
have zero carbs. I would suggest you keep your medical coverage paid

up

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cuz you going to need it. Look at the jerk that treid to eat Micky

D's

Quoted message said:

for all his meals. Very little carbs and it damn near killed him.

Good

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god even the most basic basic nutrition test book will tell you how
wrong this is.
-DF

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.

Pastorio

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> MMu wrote:
>
>
>>> person needs some fat and lots of good carbs and of course
>> proteins.

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>> well put.
>
> But not true. There is no demonstrated need in the human diet
> for carbs. We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels
> for our biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but
> they aren't necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.
>

If you believe fairy tale this then go on a protein and fat diet
and have zero carbs. I would suggest you keep your medical
coverage paid up cuz you going to need it. Look at the jerk that
treid to eat Micky D's for all his meals. Very little carbs and
it damn near killed him.

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Good god even the most basic basic nutrition test book will tell
you how wrong this is. -DF

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Carb-loading still doesn't increase glycogens stores by that much. Most
of the muscle glycogen is there for the sprint at the end or going up
steep hills. Fat is used for "normal" cycling. It's only in situations
where oxygen can't be supplied to the muscles quickly enough that they
HAVE to use glycogen/glucose. This may be because it's an intense
sprint or it may be because someone is cardio-vascularly unfit.

at the end of the ride there will be practically no glycogen available in
the muscles to support sprints.

Are you honestly saying you've never seen a sprint at the end of a race?

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marathon runners even have a special term
for when glycogen reserves are used up and the body is metabolizing only fat
instead ("the wall".)

This is reached sooner the more unfit you are because you're less able
to supply oxygen to burn fat and are forced to use glycogen. Hitting the
wall means you went too fast for your heart to properly supply the
muscles.

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its easy to explain as well:
burning of carbohydrates during exercise is equivalent to 5.0 calories for
every liter of oxygen consumed ie. breathed in -for fat its 4.7 calories per
one liter of oxygen.

if the average tour de france rider would be "cardio-vascularly unfit" then
I think we all should need huge ammounts of glycogen to just be able to
walk..

I had a feeling someone would misinterpret that. It was an either or
statement. If you're fit it requires intense exercise to use
predominantly glycogen. If you're not fit then most exercise will burn
predominantly glycogen. As for walking, it's a great example of the sort
of low intensity exercise that maximises fat burning.

MattLB

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

You mean body cannot make glucose?

The word "essential" is used to denote a molecule that body need to
get through food or otherwise from outside because body lack enzymes
to produce it.

Since glucose can be made in many ways in body, glucose is
definitively not an essential element.

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Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.

So what, they all are little but polymerized sugars, enough of which can
be used to produce glucose which, therefore, is not essential in the diet,
but it is imperative for human biochemistry to proceed.
Was there a point? Carbs are essential to human diet.

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>> We can convert other macronutrients to use as fuels
>> for our biochemical processes. We like carbs, obviously, but
>> they aren't necessary as the other two - fat and protein - are.

Could someone provide the confirmed biochemical pathways for this magic?
The biochem texts seem to have missed it.
The body is in desperate malnutrition if it is using pro or fat
(ketosis) for energy.
http://www.ecologos.org/keto.htm

Laurie

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

You mean body cannot make glucose?

The word "essential" is used to denote a molecule that body need to
get through food or otherwise from outside because body lack enzymes
to produce it.

Since glucose can be made in many ways in body, glucose is
definitively not an essential element.

I would think many vitamins and minerals are not needed to live.
but that does not mean we do not need them for improved health.

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There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.

Pastorio

I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....

There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.

It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.

TC

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The word "essential" is used to mean things that we *must* eat to
survive. There are no dietary carbs essential to sustain human life.
We manufacture them as needed from other macronutrients. Carbs are
essential to *life* but not essential to be eaten.

Your trolling without an IQ.

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> There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.
>
> TC

Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.

Pastorio

I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....

There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.

It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.

TC

So you have documented studies of human beings who have thrived "ok
just survived" on a ZERO carbohydrate diet?

I suppose it might be possible if you are in a coma or have not left
the couch in 7 years.

Would you recommend this diet to an active child who plays sports and
needs to acually learn somethiing in school? If you do not recommend
it why would you recommend it for adults? Is it just for sedentary
brain dead adults?

Why make your body go through this process of converting protein into
glucose when you can just give your body what it wants for its
preffered energy source. Its all well in good to have fat as the logs
in your fire but you still need the kindling.

jt said:

TC said:

Bob (this one) said:

Robert wrote:

>"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.
>>
>>TC
>
>Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.

Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.

Pastorio

I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....

There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.

It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.

TC

So you have documented studies of human beings who have thrived "ok
just survived" on a ZERO carbohydrate diet?

I suppose it might be possible if you are in a coma or have not left
the couch in 7 years.

Would you recommend this diet to an active child who plays sports and
needs to acually learn somethiing in school? If you do not recommend
it why would you recommend it for adults? Is it just for sedentary
brain dead adults?

Why make your body go through this process of converting protein into
glucose when you can just give your body what it wants for its
preffered energy source. Its all well in good to have fat as the logs
in your fire but you still need the kindling.

What a splendidly [censored] answer. See if the content can penetrate that
miasma. The assertion is that there is no "essential carbohydrate" that
humans need. No one has suggested that it be a permanent diet. No one
has said it's any sort of ideal. As for your fatheaded kindling comment
- great science.

Take a deep breath, read what's on the screen and actually think for a
change.

Pastorio

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jt said:

TC said:

Bob (this one) wrote:

>Robert wrote:
>
>>"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>
>>>There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.
>>>
>>>TC
>>
>>Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.
>
>Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
>it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.
>
>Pastorio
>
I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....

There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.

It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.

TC

So you have documented studies of human beings who have thrived "ok
just survived" on a ZERO carbohydrate diet?

I suppose it might be possible if you are in a coma or have not left
the couch in 7 years.

Would you recommend this diet to an active child who plays sports and
needs to acually learn somethiing in school? If you do not recommend
it why would you recommend it for adults? Is it just for sedentary
brain dead adults?

Why make your body go through this process of converting protein into
glucose when you can just give your body what it wants for its
preffered energy source. Its all well in good to have fat as the logs
in your fire but you still need the kindling.

What a splendidly [censored] answer. See if the content can penetrate that
miasma. The assertion is that there is no "essential carbohydrate" that
humans need. No one has suggested that it be a permanent diet.

So there is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate on a
temporary fad diet like LC? However on a permanent diet it is
essential? LOL!

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As for your fatheaded kindling comment - great science.

So I guess you you are saying carbohydrates are an essential part of
the human diet.

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The word "essential" is used to mean things that we *must* eat to
survive. There are no dietary carbs essential to sustain human life.
We manufacture them as needed from other macronutrients. Carbs are
essential to *life* but not essential to be eaten.

Your trolling without an IQ.

What a wonderfully intelligent thing to say. That was sarcasm.

If you have something with content to offer give it a try. Otherwise
stay as literate as you are.

It's "you're."

Pastorio

jt said:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:12:26 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

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jt said:

On 22 Mar 2005 09:35:04 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>
>>Robert wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.
>>>>
>>>>TC
>>>
>>>Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.
>>
>>Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
>>it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.
>>
>>Pastorio
>>
>
>I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....
>
>There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.
>
>It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.
>
>TC

So you have documented studies of human beings who have thrived "ok
just survived" on a ZERO carbohydrate diet?

I suppose it might be possible if you are in a coma or have not left
the couch in 7 years.

Would you recommend this diet to an active child who plays sports and
needs to acually learn somethiing in school? If you do not recommend
it why would you recommend it for adults? Is it just for sedentary
brain dead adults?

Why make your body go through this process of converting protein into
glucose when you can just give your body what it wants for its
preffered energy source. Its all well in good to have fat as the logs
in your fire but you still need the kindling.

What a splendidly [censored] answer. See if the content can penetrate that
miasma. The assertion is that there is no "essential carbohydrate" that
humans need. No one has suggested that it be a permanent diet.

So there is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate on a
temporary fad diet like LC? However on a permanent diet it is
essential? LOL!

Let me type slowly, oh, vacuous one of the slippery editing. And type it
as an absolute so even someone with the stunted abilities you show can
understand it. There are no essential carbohydrates that humans need.
Period. I was replying to your overwrought ignorance about diets and
dieting. The fact remains - there are no essential carbohydrates in
human nutrition.

If you think there are, lay it out instead of biting the ankles of your
betters. Save your sneers for when you have the remotest chance of being
correct. Unlike now.

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As for your fatheaded kindling comment - great science.

So I guess you you are saying carbohydrates are an essential part of
the human diet.

Of course you would guess that from what I wrote. And it's a pity you
aren't brighter than that.

So, since you scoff at the notion of there being no essential carbs,
name 'em Sparky. Rattle them off so we can all see what carbs we must
eat to survive. Skip around. Don't even need them in alphabetical order.

Oh, I see...

Pastorio

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jt said:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:12:26 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

jt wrote:

>On 22 Mar 2005 09:35:04 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Robert wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.
>>>>>
>>>>>TC
>>>>
>>>>Glucose is an essential carbohydrate whether you eat it or not.
>>>
>>>Then let's say it so you understand it and so you can't weasel/refute
>>>it. "There is no such thing as an essential *dietary* carbohydrate.
>>>
>>>Pastorio
>>>
>>
>>I stand corrected, at least grammatically anyways....
>>
>>There is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate.
>>
>>It is an irefutable basic scientific fact.
>>
>>TC
>
>
>So you have documented studies of human beings who have thrived "ok
>just survived" on a ZERO carbohydrate diet?
>
>I suppose it might be possible if you are in a coma or have not left
>the couch in 7 years.
>
>Would you recommend this diet to an active child who plays sports and
>needs to acually learn somethiing in school? If you do not recommend
>it why would you recommend it for adults? Is it just for sedentary
>brain dead adults?
>
>Why make your body go through this process of converting protein into
>glucose when you can just give your body what it wants for its
>preffered energy source. Its all well in good to have fat as the logs
>in your fire but you still need the kindling.

What a splendidly [censored] answer. See if the content can penetrate that
miasma. The assertion is that there is no "essential carbohydrate" that
humans need. No one has suggested that it be a permanent diet.

So there is no such thing as an essential dietary carbohydrate on a
temporary fad diet like LC? However on a permanent diet it is
essential? LOL!

There are no essential carbohydrates that humans need.

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The fact remains - there are no essential carbohydrates in
human nutrition.

So you recommend all adults, children, babies, etc go on a permanent
ZERO carb diet? Do I need to provide you the definition of essential?

jt said:

"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

There are no essential carbohydrates that humans need.

Quoted message said:

The fact remains - there are no essential carbohydrates in
human nutrition.

So you recommend all adults, children, babies, etc go on a permanent
ZERO carb diet? Do I need to provide you the definition of essential?

I think everyone reading knows what "essential" means - necessary. But
it's the context that makes this one a bit more difficult. We're talking
about essential nutrients like fats and protein. Except it's carbs.

Please provide the definition of "essential carbohydrates." Do try to
keep in mind that the reference, of course, is to dietary carbs as it
has been throughout this thread. Those that *must* be ingested for
humans to survive. Because "essential" in this context has a rather
specific meaning.

I note you removed the request that you name those "essential
carbohydrates" that humans need to ingest to live. Please include them
in your answer.

Can you simply not understand the words or do you just enjoy not
answering the questions posed to you? Your editing games are very cute.
For middle-schoolers. Offer something a bit more substantive than your
ignorant sneers this time.

So, your assignment is to define "essential carbohydrates" and list
them. Should be easy for a nutritional wizard like you.

Pastorio