Why isn't David Millar a hill specialist?

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Since he isn't a huge guy, his power:weight must be high so I wonder why he isn't more dominant on
hills as he is in TT's?

I thought a general rule that all smaller guys who excel in TT's are great hill climbers?

He is tall (> 6'😉 relative to the best climbers. With this height comes some weight which is hard to
account for in the power/weight equation. Its also harder to get a good draft 😉

- Boyd S. at 5'9" doesn't have to worry about getting a good draft

With Millar, it's all mental, his problems. The rest means nothing.

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Since he isn't a huge guy, his power:weight must be high so I wonder why he isn't more dominant on
hills as he is in TT's?

I thought a general rule that all smaller guys who excel in TT's are great hill climbers?

I think it is that he trains to win ITTs and that he expects the climbing to come with age. He puts
out lots of power but he needs to learn to let it burn a bit slower and longer. The potential is
certainly there.

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Since he isn't a huge guy, his power:weight must be high so I wonder why he isn't more dominant
on hills as he is in TT's?

I thought a general rule that all smaller guys who excel in TT's are great hill climbers?

I think it is that he trains to win ITTs and that he expects the climbing to come with age. He
puts out lots of power but he needs to learn to let it burn a bit slower and longer. The potential
is certainly there.

He has also been a really poor strategist, attacking way too early on any given climb given his
capabilities.

-Sonarrat.

looks like he did pretty good this morning on that hill and then tt to the finish line. sure makes
up for 2 seconds in the TT.

anyone still want to bet against him at worlds?

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why he isn't more dominant on hills as he is in TT's?

I thought a general rule that all smaller guys who excel in TT's are great hill climbers?

He is tall (> 6'😉 relative to the best climbers. With this height comes some weight which is hard
to account for in the power/weight equation. Its also harder to get a good draft 😉

- Boyd S. at 5'9" doesn't have to worry about getting a good draft

patrick said:

looks like he did pretty good this morning on that hill and then tt to the finish line. sure makes
up for 2 seconds in the TT.

anyone still want to bet against him at worlds?

Yes. He'll have more than one hill to climb. And he British, but if he jacks up on many Tim Horton's
coffee's that morning (hell, it's legal now) anything's possible.

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patrick said:

looks like he did pretty good this morning on that hill and then tt to the finish line. sure
makes up for 2 seconds in the TT.

anyone still want to bet against him at worlds?

Yes. He'll have more than one hill to climb. And he British, but if he

jacks

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up on many Tim Horton's coffee's that morning (hell, it's legal now) anything's possible.

Don't forget the psuedoephedrine!

I can see the point of removing caffeine from the list, because the Powers That Be reckon it's only
performance enhancing in relatively small doses
(e.g. 2 expressos with a twist of lemon). But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to
the kiddies.

Well, the UCI hasn't accepted the WADA list *yet*

Jeff

Kyle Legate said:

Yes. He'll have more than one hill to climb. And he British, but if he jacks up on many Tim
Horton's coffee's that morning (hell, it's legal now) anything's possible.

It's not legal until 2004. I reckon that is the real caption for that Bugno picture last week -
Ballerini and Bugno had got advance word that caffeine suppositories were legal again and they were
testing the new batch.

David Millar has said that he will have a good go at World TT championships. The course seems to
have a bit of a climb in it, and it's a relatively short TT which will suit him. Since neither Brad
McGee or Lance will be there in the TT, he has a good chance. STF

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patrick said:

looks like he did pretty good this morning on that hill and then tt to the finish line. sure
makes up for 2 seconds in the TT.

anyone still want to bet against him at worlds?

Yes. He'll have more than one hill to climb. And he British, but if he

jacks

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up on many Tim Horton's coffee's that morning (hell, it's legal now) anything's possible.

Don't forget the psuedoephedrine!

I can see the point of removing caffeine from the list, because the Powers That Be reckon it's
only performance enhancing in relatively small doses
(e.g. 2 expressos with a twist of lemon).

I hadn't seen the logic behind the decision yet, but that does make sense. (Ironically in the
context of this discussion, probably the foremost scientific authority on caffeine and exercise
metabolism/performance is Dr. Terry Graham - from Canada!)

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But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to the kiddies.

Well, the UCI hasn't accepted the WADA list *yet*

Furthermore, I believe that each national governing body maintains their own banned substances list
- so the possibility at least exists for some really confusing jurisdictional issues to arise.

Andy Coggan

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But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to the kiddies.

Do you mean like, "Better to die rather than compete with a cold or allergies"?

"Almost without exception, if an over the counter product has cold symptoms or congestion as an
indication, the product contains
pseudoephedrine. In the one hundred feet of shelf space at CVS, there is among all those products
only this one decongestant:
ppseudoephedrine. "

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But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to the kiddies.

Do you mean like, "Better to die rather than compete with a cold or allergies"?

"Almost without exception, if an over the counter product has cold symptoms or congestion as an
indication, the product contains
pseudoephedrine. In the one hundred feet of shelf space at CVS, there is among all those products
only this one decongestant:
pseudoephedrine. "

I have mixed feelings. This drug is used to make street drugs. However, I think the "kiddies" that
will even here about the new regs will only know it is "Sudafed", the only thing that works for
sinusitis.

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But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to the kiddies.

Do you mean like, "Better to die rather than compete with a cold or allergies"?

People compete legally with allergies now, and in my opinion if you've got a cold then too bad. You
can either take something with pseudoephedrine in it and don't compete, or compete using other legal
means, which do not have the same performance enhancing effects as pseudoephedrine. Plenty of riders
have had to forfeit big races because of illness - it's part of being an athlete.

On the other hand, we can make a killing selling this now:

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Jeff

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On the other hand, we can make a killing selling this now:

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Jeff

Forget about 7-Up and Diet Rite as sponsors, someone needs to get Jolt Cola to sponsor a team.
They could market it as a "sports drink".

--
tanx, Howard

"The hand of law is coming down..." Radio Birdman

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Forget about 7-Up and Diet Rite as sponsors, someone needs to get Jolt Cola to sponsor a team.
They could market it as a "sports drink".

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Forget about 7-Up and Diet Rite as sponsors, someone needs to get Jolt Cola to sponsor a team.
They could market it as a "sports drink".

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On the other hand, we can make a killing selling this now:

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Jeff

Forget about 7-Up and Diet Rite as sponsors, someone needs to get Jolt Cola to sponsor a team.
They could market it as a "sports drink".

JOLT! was a co-sponsor of Napa Valley Velo for a couple years in the late '90s. At the Cherry Pie
Crit every February tons of Jolts were given away.

-Ken

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On the other hand, we can make a killing selling this now:

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Jeff

Forget about 7-Up and Diet Rite as sponsors, someone needs to get Jolt Cola to sponsor a team.
They could market it as a "sports drink".

Was I hallucinating when I saw Coke being given to the riders in the TdF?

-Sonarrat.

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Was I hallucinating when I saw Coke being given to the riders in the TdF?

no you weren't. I wasn't sure till I watched one of the riders pull the tab and shoot one down.....
I couldn't do that sitting in my kitchen much less on a bike in competition.

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But psuedoephedrine...hmm. Sends a bad message to the kiddies.

Do you mean like, "Better to die rather than compete with a cold

or

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allergies"?

"Almost without exception, if an over the counter product has cold symptoms or congestion as an
indication, the product contains
pseudoephedrine. In the one hundred feet of shelf space at CVS,

there

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is among all those products only this one decongestant:
pseudoephedrine. "

I have mixed feelings. This drug is used to make street drugs.

However, I

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think the "kiddies" that will even here about the new regs will only

know it

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is "Sudafed", the only thing that works for sinusitis.

I think that it is ephedra that is used to make other drugs.