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  1. I prefer non-bleached sugar, wheat bread, non-bleached flour, etc., but this stuff is so much harder
    to come by. Sure, I can buy the non-bleached stuff at the grocery store, but for instance if you go
    to just about any restaurant the only sugar on the table is the white (bleached) kind. In other
    words, the white bread, sugar, flour is the default and the non-white counterparts are specialties.

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem that it's easier to not have to go through the
    bleaching process and therefore cheaper to produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite is
    the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

  2. Cobra Boy said:

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem

    Cakes, bread, and pasta all have a much different texture when made from whole wheat or graham
    flour. To have the familiar delicate texture, they must be made from refined flours. These flours
    don't have to be bleached, but they would be off-white if unbleached.

    In Japan, brown rice is seen as the food of poor people. There is a social stigma against it.

    Quoted message said:

    that it's easier to not have to go through the bleaching process and therefore cheaper to produce
    the non-bleached food. But the opposite

    The cheapest food is the one which sells in high volume. Low-volume, specialty foods are always more
    expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    is the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

    Try finding graham flour. By your reasoning, that should be cheaper than whole wheat, but you
    probably can't even find it. If you did, it would be more expensive. Among health food nuts, nearly
    all the demand is for whole wheat flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry minus the wheat
    germ), not graham flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry including the germ).

  3. Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Cobra Boy said:

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem

    Quoted message said:

    that it's easier to not have to go through the bleaching process and therefore cheaper to
    produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite

    Agreed.

    Quoted message said:

    The cheapest food is the one which sells in high volume. Low-volume, specialty foods are always
    more expensive.

    Indeed. There two main reasons I can think of. The first is basically your argument: the industry
    would have to revamp (read: cost money) their processing equipment not to bleach. The other is that
    refining extends the shelf lifetime.

    What gets me is that their current processing strips out a lot of nutrients from grains and they
    spray it back onto the product before packaging, and because of the spoilage issue they have to add
    preservatives. In either case two wrongs do make a right.

    On the other hand, it is quite possible to find inexpensive alternatives to more greatly processed
    food. For example, in my area, conventional bulk oatmeal is invariably cheaper per unit weight than
    boxed cereal and even prepackaged oatmeal. If you have the time and inclination to prepare it
    yourself....

    -p

  4. Mark Thorson said:
    Cobra Boy said:

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem

    Cakes, bread, and pasta all have a much different texture when made from whole wheat or graham
    flour. To have the familiar delicate texture, they must be made from refined flours. These flours
    don't have to be bleached, but they would be off-white if unbleached.

    In Japan, brown rice is seen as the food of poor people. There is a social stigma against it.

    Interesting. The same is historically true of breads in European countries. White bread was for the
    well to do and brown breads were for the peasants.

  5. refining sugar does not involve bleaching, as far as I know.

    Aside from that, restaurants cater to what people ask for, and doubtfully many people ask for
    unbleached flour that often. I bake my own bread and frankly unbleached flour is no better than
    bleached. Bread tastes better with bleached enriched flour. Now whole wheat flour does have some
    properties superior top regular flour, but unbleached flour does not imho.

    i

    In article said:

    I prefer non-bleached sugar, wheat bread, non-bleached flour, etc., but this stuff is so much
    harder to come by. Sure, I can buy the non-bleached stuff at the grocery store, but for instance
    if you go to just about any restaurant the only sugar on the table is the white (bleached) kind.
    In other words, the white bread, sugar, flour is the default and the non-white counterparts are
    specialties.

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem that it's easier to not have to go through the
    bleaching process and therefore cheaper to produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite is
    the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

  6. I guess what I'm asking is why does the non-bleached stuff have to be a specialty; why can't it
    be the norm?

    Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Cobra Boy said:

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem

    Cakes, bread, and pasta all have a much different texture when made from whole wheat or graham
    flour. To have the familiar delicate texture, they must be made from refined flours. These flours
    don't have to be bleached, but they would be off-white if unbleached.

    In Japan, brown rice is seen as the food of poor people. There is a social stigma against it.

    Quoted message said:

    that it's easier to not have to go through the bleaching process and therefore cheaper to
    produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite

    The cheapest food is the one which sells in high volume. Low-volume, specialty foods are always
    more expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    is the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

    Try finding graham flour. By your reasoning, that should be cheaper than whole wheat, but you
    probably can't even find it. If you did, it would be more expensive. Among health food nuts,
    nearly all the demand is for whole wheat flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry minus the
    wheat germ), not graham flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry including the germ).

  7. In article said:

    I guess what I'm asking is why does the non-bleached stuff have to be a specialty; why can't it be
    the norm?

    Why are you seeking unbleached stuff? Does it taste better or do you suppose that there is some
    health benefit?

    i

    Quoted message said:

    Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Cobra Boy said:

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste
    worse than the non-bleached, and it would seem

    Cakes, bread, and pasta all have a much different texture when made from whole wheat or graham
    flour. To have the familiar delicate texture, they must be made from refined flours. These flours
    don't have to be bleached, but they would be off-white if unbleached.

    In Japan, brown rice is seen as the food of poor people. There is a social stigma against it.

    Quoted message said:

    that it's easier to not have to go through the bleaching process and therefore cheaper to
    produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite

    The cheapest food is the one which sells in high volume. Low-volume, specialty foods are always
    more expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    is the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

    Try finding graham flour. By your reasoning, that should be cheaper than whole wheat, but you
    probably can't even find it. If you did, it would be more expensive. Among health food nuts,
    nearly all the demand is for whole wheat flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry minus the
    wheat germ), not graham flour (flour ground from the whole wheat berry including the germ).

  8. Once upon a time, our fellow jmk rambled on about "Re: Why is the bleached stuff so popular?." Our
    champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    White bread was for the well to do and brown breads were for the peasants.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    I can not believe that anybody in there right mind would take this thread seriously. 🙁

  9. History is written by the victors. So, I have set upon the task of recording the *true* history of
    the natural healing movement. 🙂 Truth is often stranger than fiction, and so it goes with the tale
    of woe called Medical Scientism.

    The end of the Age of Heroic Medicine (1780 - 1850) overlaps with the beginning of the Age of
    Quackery, otherwise known as the Popular Health Movement (1830 - 1870).

    The Age of Heroic Medicine was about physicians aggressively treating disease with bloodletting
    (venesection), intestinal purging (calomel), vomiting (tartar emetic), profuse sweating
    (diaphoretics), and with blistering. And, while science geeks would have you believe that Heroic
    Medicine ended a long time ago, those in the know claim that the Age of Heroic Medicine continues
    today with chemotherapy and radiation therapy. 🙂

    The Popular Health Movement, on the other hand, is usually dismissed in conventional medical
    histories as the high-tide of quackery and medical cultism. Why? Because medical licensing laws were
    repealed in most of the states by the 1840's. With physicians it has always been about concerns over
    competition, and never about concerns over your health. Hey, they got to feed their kiddies don't
    they? Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    During the Popular Health Movement we see people, including some physicians, advocating prevention
    and healthy lifestyles. They had many ideas about good nutrition, clean water and air, exercise,
    sunshine and herbs. They advocated healthy eating long before the science of nutrition even existed.
    And, they advocated healthy lifestyles long before any modern health journals even existed to look
    at the effect lifestyles had on health. While they may not have helped their patients, they
    certainly did no harm. Physicians, on the hand, were killing people like George Washington with
    their Heroic medicine. Yet, this natural healing is what Medical Scientism today calls Quackery!!!
    But of course, when a physician offers the same preventive health services, the doctor is considered
    progressive; in print while their colleagues chuckle privately about wasting the time of patients.

    And, thanks to people like me the Popular Health Movement did not really end long ago, either. The
    struggle for good health still continues.

    Today, the science of nutrition still ain't much of a science by any standard. It is more a matter
    of political correctness than anything else. Take for instance the topic of: To take, or not to take
    a multivitamin pill. The conclusion advocated is more a matter of politics than anything else since
    both sides are looking at and are arguing from the same science/data. And, the facts are that the
    help offered by nutrition science today ain't much better or worst than what was advocated during
    the Popular Health Movement. Furthermore, anybody who actually bothers to track the latest published
    research soon sees that it will be eons before medical scientism accomplishes anything of real
    value. But, be sure that the science geeks will make you pay through the nose for their incompetent
    [censored] and verbally abuse anybody who dares question the [censored] that they publish as science.

    When science geeks talk about science, I always hear a loud sucking noise as Medical Scientism
    drains the lifeblood out of its modern victims. I am of course referring to fact that big money buys
    the 'sizzle' being sold by medical scientism, today.

    Science sells the Sizzle:
    (1)If a person is smart enough to select the right physician , and
    (2)if he has enough money, and
    (3)if the high-priestess of high-technology doesn't botch the lab results, and
    (4) if your physician makes the correct diagnosis the first time around (rather than screwing
    around for a couple of years), and
    (5) if your physician catches your disease early enough, and
    (6)if your stay in the health care system doesn't kill you first (like with adverse drug reactions,
    medical errors, and/or catching pneumonia from the gross neglect of the hospital staff);

    Then you *might* be indeed be *lucky* enough to survive for another five years. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
    Boy, if that is not 'sizzle' what is? Yes, with medical scientism even the concept of a cure is pure
    'sizzle.' Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    While Quackery sells the Steak:
    (7)Seems to me, that if you are smart enough to select the right physician, you are smart enough to
    select the right healer.
    (8)Seems to me, that if you have time enough to make the money required to pay for medical
    scientism you have enough time to spend working on your lifestyle.
    (9)Seems to me, that if you are smart enough to select the right physician you are indeed smart
    enough to figure out what healthy lifestyles you should be following or what forms of
    alternative medicine works with your particular health conditions..
    (10)Finally, it seems to me that building up health reduces the likelihood of you getting sick in
    the first place.

    And, when you do get sick:
    (11)Seems to me, that building up health, builds the bodily reserves required to survive the
    chemotherapy and radiation therapy offered by medical scientism.
    (12)Seems to me, that building up health, builds up the immune system that is required to finished
    the job started by the chemotherapy and radiation therapy.

    In conclusion, medical scientism sells the 'sizzle' of the quick fix. While, natural health sells
    the 'steak' of real health; obtainable only from the long term solutions offered by healthy
    lifestyles.
    --
    John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

    Get started on improving your personal health and fitness, today.
    tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.comtutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com Offering easy to understand lessons that will
    change your life.

  10. The answer is in part a cultural one. Refined food producrts were more expensive in past times and
    were used as a status symbol by those who could afford them. With the advent of industrial
    refinement the same products were available to all with minimal cost. The symbolic screw has turned
    and now the less refined is often in many people's mids a status symbol. I have been in yuppie up
    scale restaurants which had packets of brown sugar on the table. The price is only in part based on
    cost of production, a price has been assigned to the new symbolic percieved value of "less refined"
    as a symbol of being "up with the times" and other such notions.

    Quoted message said:

    I prefer non-bleached sugar, wheat bread, non-bleached flour, etc., but this stuff is so much
    harder to come by. Sure, I can buy the non-bleached stuff at the grocery store, but for instance if
    you go to just about any restaurant the only sugar on the table is the white (bleached) kind. In
    other words, the white bread, sugar, flour is the default and the non-white counterparts are
    specialties.

    I don't understand why the bleached stuff is more readily available. To me, they all taste worse
    than the non-bleached, and it would seem that it's easier to not have to go through the
    bleaching process and therefore cheaper to produce the non-bleached food. But the opposite is
    the case; bleached foods are easier to come by and cheaper. I just don't get it! Anyone have
    insight into this?

  11. Cobra Boy said:

    I guess what I'm asking is why does the non-bleached stuff have to be a specialty; why can't it be
    the norm?

    That's like asking why can't everybody believe my religion? Maybe your religion is better -- but
    it's not what everybody else believes, and there is little prospect they will all switch to your
    religion anytime soon.

  12. John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    And, thanks to people like me the Popular Health Movement did not really end long ago, either. The
    struggle for good health still continues.

    Led by bald, fat, toothless old men? The mind reels.

    In the midst of all that talk about how much money is involved in medical "scientism" you forgot to
    mention that this is essentially an ad for how you want to make money. By having people pay you for
    advice. Though why they should think your advice is valid when it's not (according to you) based on
    any science, is a mystery.

    Hell, you have to continually change your email address here on the newgroups, even to get people to
    read you occasionally for *free.* Otherwise you'd have been killfiled permanently by all who've
    known you here for more than a couple of weeks.

    A sad commentary.

    SBH

  13. [email hidden] (Cobra Boy) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I guess what I'm asking is why does the non-bleached stuff have to be a specialty; why can't it be
    the norm?


    Non bleached stuff had lower demand than the bleached item... And in many food manufacturing
    concern the functionality of the purified (bleached)ingredient is much better and more cost
    effective and the product comes out best than when made with impure materials. Although there are
    items that can tolerate less refined ingredients but the output is in favour of the material using
    the purified or bleached ingredients. Take for example cake flour.It is usually bleached not only
    for aesthetic reason but also for the functional reason as the unbleached flour is prone to cake
    failure . It is also the same with sugar. The less refined sweetener produces product that is
    inferior than if made from the fine white and bleached sugar. Therefore ingredient manufacturer
    have more demands for the purified ingredient than the less purified ones.Hence it will reflect in
    the resulting product cost. So if we cannot find often it we should learn to live with what is
    available. Just like air. It is hard to find a place that is free from pollution but we have to
    bear with it. Do you mean that you have to go to Antarctica and packaged some air for you to
    breathe in your area? You want everything that you need to be the norm, then are you subscribing to
    the mentality of the Al Qaeda and Taliban that we must relieve the past by abandoning the
    development of civilisation as it made the lifestyle impure.

    It is just like the mentality of choosing only unrefined food as it is the only healthy way to
    consume things. Then if its really difficult to find unrefined sugar; why not chew and suck
    sugarcane while you drink your coffee.Then you can be assured that you are consuming food in its
    pristine state. If you crave only for the less refined ingredient you should abandon civilisation
    and live like a hermit in a place that everything appears natural to you!

  14. Once upon a time, our fellow Roy Basan rambled on about "Re: Why is the bleached stuff so popular?."
    Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    So if we cannot find often it we should learn to live with what is available.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Boy, are you a dog!

    Quoted message said:

    Just like air. It is hard to find a place that is free from pollution but we have to bear with it.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Only if you are some kind of an idiot.
    --
    John Gohde, Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science! naturalhealthperspective.comnaturalhealthperspective.com
    The ONLY Frauds in Health are those who couldn't care less about prevention. Beware of anybody who
    brags about eating a lousy diet, eating crispbread, non-dairy coffee creamer, being overweight, or
    about smoking!

  15. John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>... John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Once upon a time, our fellow Roy Basan rambled on about "Re: Why is the bleached stuff so
    popular?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly


    Champion in De- medicalizing? Since when?……I did not know that I was that good in your distorted
    imagination. As I did not expect that you a schizoprenic patient will come to this NG laughing his
    [censored] out….Making a fool of yourself!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So if we cannot find often it we should learn to live with what is available.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!


    Look whose talking?…… You find yourself sensible just to blurt out your own madness…

    Quoted message said:

    Boy, are you a dog!

    I am sure you are …. As you are barking out your own ignorance for others to hear….

    Did you understand the post …..or just pretending that you are…

    If you have nothing else to do, better keep yourself under straightjacket! Or you can cause harm to
    yourself and others…

  16. Steve Harris said:

    Led by bald, fat, toothless old men? The mind reels.

    What does baldness have to do with health?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - [email hidden] - keithlynch.netkeithlynch.net I always welcome replies to my e-mail,
    postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me
    HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread.

  17. Keith F. Lynch said:
    Steve Harris said:

    Led by bald, fat, toothless old men? The mind reels.

    What does baldness have to do with health?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - [email hidden] - keithlynch.netkeithlynch.net I always welcome replies to my
    e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do
    not send me HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread.

    It means that there is MISSING CHMISTRY in one's skin..that shows more on and n the skin of the
    hair follicles in the "pate".skin. B-0b1

  18. Once upon a time, our fellow B-Ob1 rambled on about "Re: Science sells the Sizzle; Quackery sells
    the Steak!." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    It means that there is MISSING CHMISTRY in one's skin..that shows more
    on and n the skin of the hair follicles in the "pate".skin. B-0b1

    I always knew that Ob-1 was out to lunch!

    You have my condolences.

  19. Keith F. Lynch said:

    What does baldness have to do with health?

    B-Ob1 said:

    It means that there is MISSING CHMISTRY in one's skin..that shows more on and n the skin of the
    hair follicles in the "pate".skin.

    Please be more specific. Does baldness correlate with cancer? With heart disease? Stroke? Pneumonia?
    AIDS? Or any other cause of death or disability?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - [email hidden] - keithlynch.netkeithlynch.net I always welcome replies to my e-mail,
    postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me
    HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread.

  20. In sci.life-extension Keith F. Lynch <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:
    Keith F. Lynch' wrote: B-Ob1 said:

    What does baldness have to do with health?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It means that there is MISSING CHMISTRY in one's skin..that shows more on and n the skin of the
    hair follicles in the "pate".skin.

    Please be more specific. Does baldness correlate with cancer? With heart disease? Stroke?
    Pneumonia? AIDS? Or any other cause of death or disability?

    Baldness correlates with age, and with testosterone levels.

    Neither are very good signs if you are looking for health correlates.
    --
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