Why is beef so expensive?

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Cindy Fuller said:

One store here in Seattle was selling ground beef at 99 cents/pound on Sunday, mostly because
ground beef from the mad cow was distributed hereabouts.

It was distributed in 6 states.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Must have been one HUGE cow...

Michel Boucher said:

Actually, politicians are not that smart. Program creators and administrators are career civil
servants for the most part, with a dash of academic input and sometimes industry input.
Politicians, if they are smart, do as they are told.

Perhaps Canadian politicians aren't very smart, but in the US, a great many of our politicians were
once lawyers and that's why we have laws and regulations only a lawyer can understand. They know how
to take care of their own.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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Michel Boucher said:

Actually, politicians are not that smart. Program creators and administrators are career civil
servants for the most part, with a dash of academic input and sometimes industry input.
Politicians, if they are smart, do as they are told.

Perhaps Canadian politicians aren't very smart, but in the US, a great many of our politicians
were once lawyers and that's why we have laws and regulations only a lawyer can understand. They
know how to take care of their own.

Obviously, you missed the point. Politicians are smart in their own area (they know how to get
reelected), but not in the elaboration of regulations. They don't write their own regulations but
rather approve regulations drafted by departments to administer X, Y and Z. It's more efficient to
have departments propose amendments than have politicians do it.

Politicians will propose amendments to legislation or regulation in debate, and these amendments may
or may not be adopted, but they sure as hell don't spend all their time writing reams of
regulations. Lawyers or not, they're not THAT good. If they were, they wouldn't have chosen to
remain rank amateurs and would have taken real jobs.

The law may be abstruse and labyrinthine to those who have trouble reading plain language (having
read some US laws over the years, I know they are not beyond being cracked), but regulations should
clarify and elucidate what is intended by the law when it comes into contact with the public. If
you're really not getting that service (instead of just complaining about not getting it), then you
should question how you are being administered instead of defending it.

--

"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

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BOB said:

In "]news:[email hidden], sf <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Cindy Fuller said:

One store here in Seattle was selling ground beef at 99 cents/pound on Sunday, mostly because
ground beef from the mad cow was distributed hereabouts.

It was distributed in 6 states.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Must have been one HUGE cow...

No, it was because meat from the afflicted cow was mixed with that from others before being packaged
and shipped to 8 states. One family in the Seattle area was confirmed to have consumed meat from
this tainted shipment, through records from their preferred customer card.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

sf icu2@pipeline dot com said:

sf said:

Actually, you did miss the point *I* was making which

You didn't even begin to make it.

What?

--Blair "Beef may not be expenisve enough."

Michel Boucher said:

sf <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Michel Boucher said:

Actually, politicians are not that smart. Program creators and administrators are career
civil servants for the most part, with a dash of academic input and sometimes industry input.
Politicians, if they are smart, do as they are told.

Perhaps Canadian politicians aren't very smart, but in the US, a great many of our politicians
were once lawyers and that's why we have laws and regulations only a lawyer can understand.
They know how to take care of their own.

Obviously, you missed the point.

Nope, I didn't miss the point you THOUGHT you made. You didn't make it. However, I will agree that
both of us HATE Bush and think he is told what to do by advisors who are totally out of touch with
"commoners". <he's the idiot in charge of the asylum>.

Quoted message said:

Politicians are smart in their own area (they know how to get reelected), but not in the
elaboration of regulations.

On a whole US politicians are smarter than either you or I.

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They don't write their own regulations but rather approve regulations drafted by departments to
administer X, Y and Z. It's more efficient to have departments propose amendments than have
politicians do it.

This is a common practice in business and politics. Heads of Business and Politicans have their own
ideas and float them from time to time, but Big Businesses Board of Directors typically have a staff
who generato/research ideas. Politicians have that type of staff too. Am I surprised? NO, but you
seem to be.

Our politicians are a lot smarter than you think. Unfortunately, Clinton <a stupid Rhodes Scholar>
squandered our reputation and Bush flushed it down the toilet.

Fortunately, my visit to your lovely city this summer didn't give me a single hint of your attitude.
I thought the city and province of Quebec were beautiful and the people were absolutely accomodating
to us (even outside of the tourist sector). I refuse to think of Quebec as the type of hard nosed,
insensitive and pompus attitude that you represent to us for your area. The people of Quebec were
sweet and lovely people - as are the rest of our Canadian neighbors.

Quoted message said:

Politicians will propose amendments to legislation or regulation in debate, and these amendments
may or may not be adopted, but they sure as hell don't spend all their time writing reams of
regulations. Lawyers or not, they're not THAT good. If they were, they wouldn't have chosen to
remain rank amateurs and would have taken real jobs.

You are a naive individual. Just look at my ex-mayor Willie Brown and listen to how he is crying
POOR as a result of a "lifetime" in Public Service... well let me tell you that he may be "poor" on
paper, but he still has political clout and he has a book deal in the works and he is being woo-ed
for big $$$ by some big law firms and who knows what other busineses or agencies.

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The law may be abstruse and labyrinthine to those who have trouble reading plain language

LOL - then you know something most people here don't know. I'm not saying you can't read, I'm not
saying you can't interpret legal terminology.... but I AM saying that you and most thinking
mainstream people don't know what the real meaning of "is" is.

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(having read some US laws over the years, I
know they are not beyond being cracked)

Yeah, CRACKED is the word... we're talking about reading words in English without having at least
two ways of interpreting the language.

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but regulations should clarify and elucidate what is intended by the law when it comes into
contact with the public.

Hello????

Dear Mr. "I Understand American Politics",

Real politicians here make what they do as obtuse as possible to the general public. Politics is a
game of cat and mouse here. It's the nature of the beast.

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If you're really not getting that service (instead of just complaining about not getting it),
then you should question how you are being administered instead of defending it.

Who are you to say anything about me, my country's politics or how how it's admistered? You don't
live here, you don't vote here and obviously you don't have a clue.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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Perhaps Canadian politicians aren't very smart, but in the US, a great many of our politicians
were once lawyers and that's why we have laws and regulations only a lawyer can understand.
They know how to take care of their own.

Obviously, you missed the point.

Nope, I didn't miss the point you THOUGHT you made. You didn't make it. However, I will agree that
both of us HATE Bush and think he is told what to do by advisors who are totally out of touch with
"commoners". <he's the idiot in charge of the asylum>.

Actually, you did miss the point *I* was making which is that the drafting of legislative
instruments in parliamentary democracies, where there is a division between the legislative and the
executive branches, is a more or less uniform system. But maybe you don't actually know how
legislation and regulations are drafted whereas I work for the Parliament here in the area of
publications and bloody well know how legislation and regulations are drafted. And I have some more
than passing familiarity with how it is done in 13 provincial and territorial parliaments as well as
some foreign countries, including the US and Great Britain.

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Fortunately, my visit to your lovely city this summer didn't give me a single hint of your
attitude.

Ah, yes, our lovely city...in which you were a tourist and didn't speak the language. Your
experience must have therefore been all encompassing eh.

Talk about me being arrogant...boy, you take the forking cake...

--

"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

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Michel Boucher said:

sf <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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Actually, you did miss the point *I* was making which is that the drafting of legislative
instruments in parliamentary democracies, where there is a division between the legislative and
the executive branches, is a more or less uniform system.

You didn't even begin to make it.

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But maybe you don't actually know how legislation and regulations are drafted whereas I work for
the Parliament here in the area of publications and bloody well know how legislation and
regulations are drafted. And I have some more than passing familiarity with how it is done in 13
provincial and territorial parliaments as well as some foreign countries, including the US and
Great Britain.

So, what's your point? Am I supposed to be impressed that you're some sort of a government drone?

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Fortunately, my visit to your lovely city this summer didn't give me a single hint of your
attitude.

Ah, yes, our lovely city...in which you were a tourist and didn't speak the language. Your
experience must have therefore been all encompassing eh.

All encompassing? So, how was my visit supposed to be? Was I supposed to be spat upon or denied food
& lodging? Was I supposed to be tarred & feathered? Was I supposed to driven out because I am a
limited French speaking American Tourist? Unlike you, the people of Montreal, Quebec City and Quebec
know how to accommodate American tourists. When I'm a tourist, I expect to be treated as a guest and
I got exactly what I expected.

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Talk about me being arrogant...

You said "arrogant", I didn't.

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boy, you take the forking cake...

I wasn't close to being arrogant - but since you want to take this all the way, I'll tell you that
the frosting on the cake for visiting Canada was getting that instant tax rebate as soon as I came
back across the boarder.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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Actually, you did miss the point *I* was making which is that the drafting of legislative
instruments in parliamentary democracies, where there is a division between the legislative and
the executive branches, is a more or less uniform system.

You didn't even begin to make it.

I did but as you clearly don't understand it, there's no sense in pursuing this any further.

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But maybe you don't actually know how legislation and regulations are drafted whereas I work for
the Parliament here in the area of publications and bloody well know how legislation and
regulations are drafted. And I have some more than passing familiarity with how it is done in 13
provincial and territorial parliaments as well as some foreign countries, including the US and
Great Britain.

So, what's your point? Am I supposed to be impressed that you're some sort of a government drone?

Ah, how quaint. The ubiquitous resort to the ad hominem. You could just apologize for being so pig-
headed, but no, you have to be insulting instead because you have lost this argument and can't exit
gracefully. At least it's clear that you really haven't got a clue
:-)

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Ah, yes, our lovely city...in which you were a tourist and didn't speak the language. Your
experience must have therefore been all encompassing eh.

All encompassing? So, how was my visit supposed to be?

Obviously it met your needs...whatever those might be.

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Talk about me being arrogant...

You said "arrogant", I didn't.

You've said "arrogant" before. And you alluded to it by mentioning my "attitude", intimating that
the rest of those you met in Québec were proper Sambos, not uppity like me.

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boy, you take the forking cake...

I wasn't close to being arrogant

Bwahaha!!!! There are none so blind as you are.

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- but since you want to take this all the way, I'll tell you that the frosting on the cake for
visiting Canada was getting that instant tax rebate as soon as I came back across the boarder.

Wait, are you saying that you benefitted from a federal government (of Canada) program that rebates
your sales tax to you? You got your 16% back...big whoop-te-do. If that's what's important to you,
then let me congratulate you. You, not Bush, are the master of low expectations! :-)

--
"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003