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  1. Why I'll never have another smear test

    New research suggests cervical screening doesn't work - and could even do more harm than good.
    Can it really be true? Anna Saybourn thinks so
    guardian.co.uk0,3604,960943,00.html Anna Sayburn Thursday May 22, 2003
    The Guardian

    For the past 15 years, I have obligingly trotted down to the doctors' every three years, breathed
    deeply, chatted with the practice nurse and tried to ignore the discomfort as the speculum opens me
    up for inspection. I have done it because regular cervical screening is what sensible, health-
    conscious women do. It's recommended. It's better to be safe than sorry. Except maybe it isn't.
    Last month, the British Medical Journal published research that suggests that I, and millions of
    other women, may have been wasting our time. In order to save one life from cervical cancer, the
    research found, 1,000 women would need to be screened for 35 years. Worse, the researchers
    suggested that testing might do "more harm than good": women born after 1960, they found, have a 40
    per cent chance of having a smear test labelled abnormal at some point in their lives - with all
    the anxiety, investigation and treatment that implies - even though the chances of this leading to
    cancer are minimal. Michael Baum, emeritus professor of surgery at University College London and a
    cancer screening expert, calls the research "absolute dynamite. Any intelligent woman reading that
    would make an informed decision not to go for cervical screening". The paper talks of the anxiety
    caused to the thousands of women who get borderline or abnormal results every year. Anxiety is the
    least of it. A friend recently phoned me in floods of tears, to read out her letter from the GP. It
    said her smear showed "mild dyskariosis". Being an inquisitive type, she had looked it up in the
    medical dictionary, which told her she had cancer. Mild dyskariosis means small changes to cells,
    which could, one day, turn malignant. In the vast majority of cases they don't. According to the
    BMJ paper, which looks at the 348,419 women screened for cervical cancer in the Bristol area from
    1976 to 1996, 156 women in every 1,000 had abnormal results, but only one in a 1,000 showed signs
    of invasive cancer. Dr Angela Raffle, consultant in public health medicine in Bristol and author of
    the BMJ paper, began the research because she was struck by how many women were being referred for
    colposcopy (microscopic examination of the cervix) after abnormal smear test results. "Originally,
    people thought everybody with an abnormality would go on to get cancer, and we have come round to
    realising it is just a phenomenon of screening," she says. "Cell changes are very common and all of
    us have them, and they go away; it is impossible to predict who is going to go on and get cervical
    cancer." But no one had bothered to tell my friend that. In fact, in 15 years, I don't remember
    ever being given any information about cervical screening, the accuracy of the test, the possible
    results I could receive, or having any explanation of the results when they come through in the
    post, months after the test. Just pop your knickers off and get up on the couch. There could be a
    reason for this. Raffle says that the screeners realised in the 1980s that they needed to screen
    and treat enormous numbers of women in order to make an impact on mortality figures. Most would not
    have gone on to get cancer - but a very small number would, and it was these women they wanted to
    catch. If women realised how unlikely it was that they would personally benefit from screening, the
    screeners might not have got the numbers they needed to reduce cervical cancer deaths. I tell her
    that my conclusion after reading her paper is to withdraw from the screening programme. Cautiously,
    she falls back on the "can't be too careful" argument. "What would I regret most? If I got cancer
    and I hadn't been for screening, I would never forgive myself," she says. But my chances of getting
    cervical cancer are minimal, I say. "Some women would say: 'I loathe hospitals and I'm very
    confident in my own health. If I had to go to colposcopy I would regret it.' Those women are best
    not coming for screening," she admits. The evidence against the usefulness of universal cervical
    screening keeps coming. An audit in Leicestershire in May 2001 found that a third of the women who
    did go on to develop cervical cancer had had normal smear test results. The test - microscopic
    inspection of a few cells scraped off the cervix - is not very sensitive and can easily miss
    changes, either because the cells sampled don't show them or because they arise in the three to
    five years between screens. Then there are the false positives - the number of women worried and
    upset by "abnormal" results, which put them straight onto a conveyor belt of annual smear tests or
    further procedures such as colposcopy and biopsy. For every death prevented, acccording to Raffle's
    research, more than 80 women undergo further investigation and more than 50 are treated. But while
    cervical cytology (examination of the cells taken from the cervix) may be far from perfect, there
    are others who argue that it is better than nothing. "If somebody suggested in 2003 we [should]
    introduce cervical cytology, no randomised trial would ever show it was worthwhile," admits Dr Anne
    Szarewski, clinical consultant for Cancer Research UK. "However, it is impossible to turn the clock
    back. We haven't got anything to replace it with. "It can be uncomfortable; some women find it
    humiliating and it is true the majority will not benefit," she admits, but, she says, the 42 per
    cent fall in the mortality rate from cervical cancer since the 1980s shows that for those who do
    develop cancer, the benefits are very real. "There are approximately 14,000 women alive to day who
    would not be if they had not had cervical screening. Women need to realise its limitations and not
    get so incredibly worried when they have an abnormal smear." In a letter to the BMJ, Professor
    Peter Sasieni from the Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine in London, says women should view
    cervical screening not as a test for cancer, but as "a costly and imperfect insurance policy"
    against the "catastrophic" but unlikely event of cervical cancer. So it comes down to the level of
    risk with which we are happy to live. And now that I know my likelihood of an abnormal smear is so
    much higher than ever having cervical cancer, I think I'll take my chances until the test improves.
    What does Michael Baum think of my decision? "You are not being irresponsible or reckless. You are
    making a serious, thoroughly well-informed choice and I would like to extend that choice to all
    women," he says. I wonder how long it will take the rest of the medical profession to come round to
    his point of view.

  2. Because you're a guy....

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    "No he isn't, he's merely endorsing a clothing-optional lifestyle!"

    to email me
    Please remove "all your clothes"

    Doug

  3. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Why I'll never have another smear test

    New research suggests cervical screening doesn't work

    So says the introduction, whereas the actual text says==

    "There are approximately 14,000 women alive to day who would not be if they had not had cervical
    screening. "

    It does work. It does save lives. It is simply a cost-benefit issue, for governments, and also for
    the individual. Included in the costs are adverse effects, mainly anxiety and unnecessary procedures
    through margnal findings, which apply in any screening procedure. Someone who has never

    risk.

    In the USA the age adjusted death rates for uterine cancer was 28 per 100,000 person years in 1930
    and about a sixth of this (five) in 1998 (NCI figures) which will be partly due to better treatment
    and partly due to screening for cervical cancer. This is despite more promiscuity, which is the main
    risk factor.

    What is also overlooked is that in those cases that are discovered early the treatment is trivial,
    whereas hysterectomy is usually necessary in non-screen detected cancers.

    Peter Moran

    Peter Moran.

    .

    Women need to realise its limitations and not get so incredibly worried when they have an
    abnormal smear

    - and could even

    Quoted message said:

    do more harm than good. Can it really be true? Anna Saybourn thinks so
    guardian.co.uk0,3604,960943,00.html Anna Sayburn Thursday May 22, 2003 The
    Guardian

    For the past 15 years, I have obligingly trotted down to the doctors' every three years, breathed
    deeply, chatted with the practice nurse and tried to ignore the discomfort as the speculum opens
    me up for inspection. I have done it because regular cervical screening is what sensible, health-
    conscious women do. It's recommended. It's better to be safe than sorry. Except maybe it isn't.
    Last month, the British Medical Journal published research that suggests that I, and millions of
    other women, may have been wasting our time. In order to save one life from cervical cancer, the
    research found, 1,000 women would need to be screened for 35 years. Worse, the researchers
    suggested that testing might do "more harm than good": women born after 1960, they found, have a
    40 per cent chance of having a smear test labelled abnormal at some point in their lives - with
    all the anxiety, investigation and treatment that implies - even though the chances of this
    leading to cancer are minimal. Michael Baum, emeritus professor of surgery at University College
    London and a cancer screening expert, calls the research "absolute dynamite. Any intelligent woman
    reading that would make an informed decision not to go for cervical screening". The paper talks of
    the anxiety caused to the thousands of women who get borderline or abnormal results every year.
    Anxiety is the least of it. A friend recently phoned me in floods of tears, to read out her letter
    from the GP. It said her smear showed "mild dyskariosis". Being an inquisitive type, she had
    looked it up in the medical dictionary, which told her she had cancer. Mild dyskariosis means
    small changes to cells, which could, one day, turn malignant. In the vast majority of cases they
    don't. According to the BMJ paper, which looks at the 348,419 women screened for cervical cancer
    in the Bristol area from 1976 to 1996, 156 women in every 1,000 had abnormal results, but only one
    in a 1,000 showed signs of invasive cancer. Dr Angela Raffle, consultant in public health medicine
    in Bristol and author of the BMJ paper, began the research because she was struck by how many
    women were being referred for colposcopy (microscopic examination of the cervix) after abnormal
    smear test results. "Originally, people thought everybody with an abnormality would go on to get
    cancer, and we have come round to realising it is just a phenomenon of screening," she says. "Cell
    changes are very common and all of us have them, and they go away; it is impossible to predict who
    is going to go on and get cervical cancer." But no one had bothered to tell my friend that. In
    fact, in 15 years, I don't remember ever being given any information about cervical screening, the
    accuracy of the test, the possible results I could receive, or having any explanation of the
    results when they come through in the post, months after the test. Just pop your knickers off and
    get up on the couch. There could be a reason for this. Raffle says that the screeners realised in
    the 1980s that they needed to screen and treat enormous numbers of women in order to make an
    impact on mortality figures. Most would not have gone on to get cancer - but a very small number
    would, and it was these women they wanted to catch. If women realised how unlikely it was that
    they would personally benefit from screening, the screeners might not have got the numbers they
    needed to reduce cervical cancer deaths. I tell her that my conclusion after reading her paper is
    to withdraw from the screening programme. Cautiously, she falls back on the "can't be too careful"
    argument. "What would I regret most? If I got cancer and I hadn't been for screening, I would
    never forgive myself," she says. But my chances of getting cervical cancer are minimal, I say.
    "Some women would say: 'I loathe hospitals and I'm very confident in my own health. If I had to go
    to colposcopy I would regret it.' Those women are best not coming for screening," she admits. The
    evidence against the usefulness of universal cervical screening keeps coming. An audit in
    Leicestershire in May 2001 found that a third of the women who did go on to develop cervical
    cancer had had normal smear test results. The test - microscopic inspection of a few cells scraped
    off the cervix - is not very sensitive and can easily miss changes, either because the cells
    sampled don't show them or because they arise in the three to five years between screens. Then
    there are the false positives - the number of women worried and upset by "abnormal" results, which
    put them straight onto a conveyor belt of annual smear tests or further procedures such as
    colposcopy and biopsy. For every death prevented, acccording to Raffle's research, more than 80
    women undergo further investigation and more than 50 are treated. But while cervical cytology
    (examination of the cells taken from the cervix) may be far from perfect, there are others who
    argue that it is better than nothing. "If somebody suggested in 2003 we [should] introduce
    cervical cytology, no randomised trial would ever show it was worthwhile," admits Dr Anne
    Szarewski, clinical consultant for Cancer Research UK. "However, it is impossible to turn the
    clock back. We haven't got anything to replace it with. "It can be uncomfortable; some women find
    it humiliating and it is true the majority will not benefit," she admits, but, she says, the 42
    per cent fall in the mortality rate from cervical cancer since the 1980s shows that for those who
    do develop cancer, the benefits are very real. "There are approximately 14,000 women alive to day
    who would not be if they had not had cervical screening. Women need to realise its limitations and
    not get so incredibly worried when they have an abnormal smear." In a letter to the BMJ, Professor
    Peter Sasieni from the Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine in London, says women should view
    cervical screening not as a test for cancer, but as "a costly and imperfect insurance policy"
    against the "catastrophic" but unlikely event of cervical cancer. So it comes down to the level of
    risk with which we are happy to live. And now that I know my likelihood of an abnormal smear is so
    much higher than ever having cervical cancer, I think I'll take my chances until the test
    improves. What does Michael Baum think of my decision? "You are not being irresponsible or
    reckless. You are making a serious, thoroughly well-informed choice and I would like to extend
    that choice to all women," he says. I wonder how long it will take the rest of the medical
    profession to come round to his point of view.

  4. "Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Because you're a guy....

    Not only that glaringly obvious point, but this as well:

    "It can be uncomfortable; some women find it humiliating and it is true the majority will not
    benefit," she admits, but, she says, the 42 per cent fall in the mortality rate from cervical
    cancer since the 1980s shows that for those who do develop cancer, the benefits are very real.
    "There are approximately 14,000 women alive to day who would not be if they had not had cervical
    screening. Women need to realise its limitations and not get so incredibly worried when they have
    an abnormal smear."

    John missed the point mentioned above. The 14,000 women & the families who love 'em no doubt feel
    MUCH differently about the value of regular cervical screening. Maybe John & others are unaware of
    the prevalence of HPV & it's relevance to the occurence of cervical dysplasia & cancer. The stages
    of cervical dysplasia aren't even discussed in the cited piece. I suppose some people would do
    anything to avoid the possibility of any worry, any concern about their health -- even die.

    Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

  5. Quoted message said:

    Because you're a guy....

  6. Scott Millington said:
    Quoted message said:

    Because you're a guy....

    Probably not a problem. Check the back of your shorts.

    --
    Mortimer Schnerd, RN

    [email hidden] mortimerschnerd.commortimerschnerd.com

  7. (Michele) said:

    "Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Because you're a guy....

    Not only that glaringly obvious point, but this as well:

    "It can be uncomfortable; some women find it humiliating and it is true the majority will not
    benefit," she admits, but, she says, the 42 per cent fall in the mortality rate from cervical
    cancer since the 1980s shows that for those who do develop cancer, the benefits are very real.
    "There are approximately 14,000 women alive to day who would not be if they had not had cervical
    screening. Women need to realise its limitations and not get so incredibly worried when they have
    an abnormal smear."

    John missed the point mentioned above. The 14,000 women & the families who love 'em no doubt feel
    MUCH differently about the value of regular cervical screening. Maybe John & others are unaware of
    the prevalence of HPV & it's relevance to the occurence of cervical dysplasia & cancer. The stages
    of cervical dysplasia aren't even discussed in the cited piece. I suppose some people would do
    anything to avoid the possibility of any worry, any concern about their health -- even die.

    Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

    Cancer of the cervix kills more women than any other cancer in undeveloped countries and is in
    second place world-wide. On the day that a potential vaccine was announced, the anti-vaccination
    liars started a campaign to prevent women getting the vaccine. John is just extending his need to
    kill children to include adult women.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  8. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Why I'll never have another smear test

    John, you're a male. I am surprised to learn that you had a first smear test.

    The fact is that because of this test, thousands of women were spared cervical cancer. The test is
    definitely worth it. At least if you think saving lives is worthwhile.

    Jeff.

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