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  1. I hate milk. I've hated milk for a long time.

    I like yogurt, and ice cream, and cheese, but I hate milk.

    I've had slight calcium deficiencies before because I
    avoided drinking milk. I know I had these because I had some
    pretty awful foot cramps and my doctor told me to take
    elemental calcium supplements to help with the cramps and
    that made them go away while I was taking it.

    Soy milk on the other hand has a different texture and I
    like it a lot better. So I can drink it and get the calcium
    (same as milk, because it's got it put into it) and not have
    to drink in that yucky texture. I could drink orange juice
    too, but I still like soy milk.

    -Rubystars

  2. That's cool - have you tried So Good soya milk? It's my
    favourite so far. My local supermarket also had oat milk the
    other day - it's Vegan Society approved and it tasted great!

    lol

    Rubystars <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I hate milk. I've hated milk for a long time.

    I like yogurt, and ice cream, and cheese, but I hate milk.

    I've had slight calcium deficiencies before because I
    avoided drinking


    milk.

    Quoted message said:

    I know I had these because I had some pretty awful foot
    cramps and my


    doctor

    Quoted message said:

    told me to take elemental calcium supplements to help
    with the cramps and that made them go away while I was
    taking it.

    Soy milk on the other hand has a different texture and I
    like it a lot better. So I can drink it and get the
    calcium (same as milk, because it's got it put into it)
    and not have to drink in that yucky texture. I could drink
    orange juice too, but I still like soy milk.

    -Rubystars

  3. "WorldsWorst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    That's cool - have you tried So Good soya milk? It's my
    favourite so far. My local supermarket also had oat milk
    the other day - it's Vegan Society approved and it
    tasted great!

    lol

    I've tried Silk and HEB brand. I haven't tried the others.
    I'm interested in what oat milk, rice milk, and almond milk
    taste like too but I've never had them.

    -Rubystars

  4. "Rubystars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "WorldsWorst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    That's cool - have you tried So Good soya milk? It's my
    favourite so


    far.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My local supermarket also had oat milk the other day -
    it's Vegan


    Society

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    approved and it tasted great!

    lol

    I've tried Silk and HEB brand. I haven't tried the others.
    I'm interested


    in

    Quoted message said:

    what oat milk, rice milk, and almond milk taste like too
    but I've never


    had

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I get the lowest price soy milk they sell at Whole foods..
    1.19 a quart-tastes pretty good--sometimes I get vanilla
    flavored for variety...family likes it better than
    milk Michael

    Quoted message said:


    -Rubystars

  5. "Michael Balarama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Rubystars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "WorldsWorst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's cool - have you tried So Good soya milk? It's
    my favourite so


    far.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My local supermarket also had oat milk the other day -
    it's Vegan


    Society

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    approved and it tasted great!

    lol

    I've tried Silk and HEB brand. I haven't tried the
    others. I'm


    interested

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    what oat milk, rice milk, and almond milk taste like too
    but I've never


    had

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I get the lowest price soy milk they sell at Whole foods..
    1.19 a quart-tastes pretty good--sometimes I get vanilla
    flavored for variety...family likes it better than milk
    Michael

    I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink vanilla
    and sometimes chocolate.

    -Rubystars

  6. "Rubystars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Michael Balarama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Rubystars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "WorldsWorst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > That's cool - have you tried So Good soya milk? It's
    > my favourite


    so

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    far.

    Quoted message said:

    > My local supermarket also had oat milk the other day
    > - it's Vegan


    Society

    Quoted message said:

    > approved and it tasted great!
    >
    > lol

    I've tried Silk and HEB brand. I haven't tried the
    others. I'm


    interested

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    what oat milk, rice milk, and almond milk taste like
    too but I've


    never

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had

    Quoted message said:

    them.

    I get the lowest price soy milk they sell at Whole
    foods..
    1.19 a quart-tastes pretty good--sometimes I get vanilla
    flavored for variety...family likes it better than
    milk Michael

    I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink vanilla
    and sometimes chocolate.


    plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the other
    flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a purist-
    natural less ingredients...

    Quoted message said:

    -Rubystars

  7. Michael Balarama said:

    "Rubystars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I get the lowest price soy milk they sell at Whole
    foods..
    1.19 a quart-tastes pretty good--sometimes I get vanilla
    flavored for variety...family likes it better than milk
    Michael

    I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink vanilla
    and sometimes chocolate.

    plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the other
    flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a purist-
    natural less ingredients...

    Yup, have to agree with your wife. I would drink natural all
    the time (soybean and water being the only ingredients),
    except that I also drink it for the fortification factor
    (calcium, vitamins, etc), so I also drink original. I am a
    So Nice fan, because I like to support Canadian products.

    My biggest beef with original is that it is sweetened.
    So nice at least uses beet juice, which is nice, and it
    also has less sugar (beet juice) than the chocolate or
    vanilla ones.

    -- Chris

  8. Michael Balarama wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink vanilla
    and sometimes chocolate.

    plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the other
    flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a purist-
    natural less ingredients...

    I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake milk
    made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers,
    and some added vitamins?

  9. "usual suspect" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Michael Balarama wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    vanilla and sometimes chocolate.

    plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    purist-natural less


    ingredients...

    Quoted message said:


    I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake milk
    made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers,
    and some added vitamins?
    =================


    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

  10. rick etter said:
    Quoted message said:

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    >I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >vanilla and sometimes chocolate.

    plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the other
    flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a purist-
    natural less

    ingredients...

    Quoted message said:

    I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake milk
    made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers,
    and some added vitamins?
    =================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health food
    store here that sells the following product (link below) up
    front at the cash register. I noticed the packaging and
    started laughing. The cashier wanted to know what was so
    funny, so I pointed to the part about it being "all
    natural." I asked her what was so natural about making
    soybeans taste just like real jerky. She wasn't amused.
    Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

  11. On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:41:32 GMT, usual suspect <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    rick etter said:
    Quoted message said:

    <...>

    >>I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >>vanilla and sometimes chocolate.
    >
    >plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    >other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    >purist-natural less

    ingredients...

    Quoted message said:

    I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake milk
    made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener,
    stabilizers, and some added vitamins?
    =================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health food
    store here that sells the following product (link below) up
    front at the cash register. I noticed the packaging and
    started laughing. The cashier wanted to know what was so
    funny, so I pointed to the part about it being "all
    natural." I asked her what was so natural about making
    soybeans taste just like real jerky. She wasn't amused.
    Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of eating
    meat? If so, then wouldn't they find such a product
    offensive?

  12. "Common Man" <not.public@> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    usual suspect said:
    rick etter said:

    ><...>
    >
    >>>I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >>>vanilla and


    sometimes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>chocolate.
    >>
    >>plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    >>other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    >>purist-natural less

    ingredients...

    >I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >milk made of


    boiled

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers, and some
    >added vitamins?
    >=================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health
    food store here


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sells the following product (link below) up front at the
    cash register. I noticed the packaging and started
    laughing. The cashier wanted to know


    what was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so funny, so I pointed to the part about it being "all
    natural." I asked


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what was so natural about making soybeans taste just like
    real jerky. She


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    amused. Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of eating
    meat? If so, then wouldn't they find such a product
    offensive?
    ============================


    No, they inaccurately believe that animals only die when
    real meat is eaten. Have you not seen the number of meat
    substitutes that are on the market that veg*ns still love to
    eat? So obviously for all of them it's not the taste or
    texture of meat that they dislike. The real hoot about all
    that is that they then claim the fake meats are an 'all
    natural' food stuff. As if you could really find any
    'naturally' occuring tofu paste or tvp just lying in the
    fields. The best part of all this is that if you really get
    down to it, no mono-cultured crop is 'natural' at all. No
    where have I ever seen fields of cabbages spontaneously
    appear. Their whole belief system is based on stupidity and
    ignorance.

  13. Common Man said:

    On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:41:32 GMT, usual suspect
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >milk made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener,
    >stabilizers, and some added vitamins?
    >=================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    Which is pretty funny, considering that at least in Canada,
    "natural" flavour is simply soybean and water, which, imho
    is perfectly natural. Certainly more so than the stuff that
    goes into cow milk these days (milk, preservatives,
    vitamins, stabilizers, etc).

    sonice.cabeverages natural.html

    Before you go calling people ignorant, you should at least
    know what you are talking about.

    Now if the discussion was about "plain", "original",
    vanilla, chocolate or any other flavour, then you would be
    right. They start joining the "drink" group and seriously
    start moving away from the 100% natural group

    Cheers,

    -- Blue

  14. Common Man said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >>>vanilla and sometimes chocolate.
    >>
    >>plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    >>other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    >>purist-natural less

    ingredients...

    >I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >milk made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener,
    >stabilizers, and some added vitamins?
    >=================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health
    food store here that sells the following product (link
    below) up front at the cash register. I noticed the
    packaging and started laughing. The cashier wanted to know
    what was so funny, so I pointed to the part about it being
    "all natural." I asked her what was so natural about
    making soybeans taste just like real jerky. She wasn't
    amused. Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of
    eating meat?

    Supposedly, yet they seek out fake meat products.

    Quoted message said:

    If so, then wouldn't they find such a product offensive?

    I've taken a lot of [censored] from them for pointing out their
    hypocrisy.

    Most vegans, even those who self-righteously affix
    the sanctimonious qualifier "ethical" to their brand
    of veganism, reject the truly low-impact
    alternatives which are really nothing but matters of
    self-sufficiency (gardening, etc.). The fact that
    they purchase analogs and other products show they
    (a) contribute to "cruelty" in farming and
    (b) really haven't lost their taste (and
    preference!) for consuming animal flesh. --
    yours truly, snipurl.com6uyr

    And from a lengthier post that addressed the same issue
    regarding a British vegan restaurant that through a family
    out for feeding a baby some meat:

    offensive, why does that restaurant offer fake meat
    products like vegan sausages, "nut" roasts, and
    other such products? rendezvous.co.ukrendezvous.co.uk

    Take a look at how many veg-ns demand faux meat
    products, and how many of them consider things
    better now that such products are widely available
    AND they taste just like stinking, rotting flesh.

    "Finally there is a product vegetarians can SIZZLE
    on an outdoor grill OR cook in the comfort of the
    kitchen !" tofurky.comproducts.htm

    '"Finally, vegetarians have a bona fide holiday
    centerpiece that is all their own. They don’t have
    to settle for second best anymore" was how one
    satisfied customer described it.'
    tofurky.comdefault.htm

    Why is it unacceptable to feed a child real meat
    while everyone else in the restaurant is eating
    stuff formulated to look, taste, and feel like
    real meat?

    Address why it's okay to eat stuff that's supposed
    to taste JUST LIKE dead cows, chickens, fish,
    etc.... What does that tell us about the

    -- yours truly, snipurl.com6uyq

    They've yet to address my questions on this matter over a
    period of a couple years since I started asking them.

  15. "Common Man" <not.public@> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    usual suspect said:

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of eating
    meat? If so, then wouldn't they find such a product
    offensive?

    I can't speak for all, but I don't detest the idea of eating
    meat, I just don't eat meat.

  16. I don't bother with soya milk much now, but my favourite
    used to be Plamil with cocoa and carob flour added, with a
    little muscovado sugar.

    When I went touring on my motorcycle, a huge white BMW R75/6
    BTW, I used to take some in a crown-cap beer bottle with a
    plastic re-seal on and I was sitting on the bike once in a
    layby drinking this when the police pulled up and wouldn't
    believe it wasn't beer.

    They wouldn't be told and refused to try it so in the end I
    poured some on the ground and said "There! Does that look
    like beer?" They agreed but looked *very* disappointed. I
    suppose I was lucky they didn't do me out of spite for
    litter for pouring it onto the ground!

    Happy daze!

    Now you know the dangers of drinking soya milk! :o)

    Nemo

    Common Man <not.public@> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    usual suspect said:
    rick etter said:

    ><...>
    >
    >>>I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >>>vanilla and


    sometimes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>chocolate.
    >>
    >>plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    >>other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    >>purist-natural less

    ingredients...

    >I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >milk made of


    boiled

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers, and some
    >added vitamins?
    >=================

    LOL Great question, Usual....

    Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health
    food store here


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sells the following product (link below) up front at the
    cash register. I noticed the packaging and started
    laughing. The cashier wanted to know


    what was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so funny, so I pointed to the part about it being "all
    natural." I asked


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what was so natural about making soybeans taste just like
    real jerky. She


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    amused. Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of eating
    meat? If so, then wouldn't they find such a product
    offensive?

  17. BlueHeron said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >> milk made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener,
    >> stabilizers, and some added vitamins?
    >> =================
    >
    >
    > LOL Great question, Usual....
    >
    > Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    Which is pretty funny, considering that at least in
    Canada, "natural" flavour is simply soybean and water,
    which, imho is perfectly natural.

    What's natural about hydrolyzing soy beans to make them
    taste like "natural flavour"? Soy beans are pretty bland on
    their own which is why most people are put off by them. It's
    all the fidgeting around with them in kitchens and labs that
    makes them taste "meaty."

    Quoted message said:

    Certainly more so than the stuff that goes into cow
    milk these days (milk, preservatives, vitamins,
    stabilizers, etc).

    What preservatives and stabilizers are added to cow's milk?

    Quoted message said:

    sonice.cabeverages natural.html

    Before you go calling people ignorant, you should at least
    know what you are talking about.

    He does know what he's talking about.

    Quoted message said:

    Now if the discussion was about "plain", "original",
    vanilla, chocolate or any other flavour, then you would be
    right. They start joining the "drink" group and seriously
    start moving away from the 100% natural group

    There's nothing "natural" about soy milk. It's an
    alternative -- a substitute -- which mimics a natural food.
    Review the thread for past threads dealing with inquiries
    about which soy milks, rice milks, nut milks, etc., taste
    *just* *like* milk. While you're at it, look for recipes and
    product endorsements for meat substitutes. Why do people
    vegans make and buy products that taste just like "dead
    flesh" if "dead flesh" is so off-putting to vegans?

  18. On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:18:50 GMT, usual suspect <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Common Man said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>I've never tried the plain flavor. I usually drink
    >>>>vanilla and sometimes chocolate.
    >>>
    >>>plain flavor is neutral tasting-not as yummy as the
    >>>other flavors- personally I like variety-my wife is a
    >>>purist-natural less
    >
    >ingredients...
    >
    >
    >>I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >>milk made of boiled soybeans, sea salt, sweetener,
    >>stabilizers, and some added vitamins?
    >>=================
    >
    >LOL Great question, Usual....
    >
    >Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    It's pretty funny sometimes. We have a "hippie" health
    food store here that sells the following product (link
    below) up front at the cash register. I noticed the
    packaging and started laughing. The cashier wanted to
    know what was so funny, so I pointed to the part about it
    being "all natural." I asked her what was so natural
    about making soybeans taste just like real jerky. She
    wasn't amused. Those people never are.

    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of
    eating meat?

    Supposedly, yet they seek out fake meat products.

    Which makes absolutely no sense to me. If the idea of
    eating meat is offensive, then why would they want to eat
    vegan burgers or sausages meant to look and taste like
    meat products?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If so, then wouldn't they find such a product offensive?

    I've taken a lot of [censored] from them for pointing out their
    hypocrisy.

    Most vegans, even those who self-righteously affix
    the sanctimonious qualifier "ethical" to their brand
    of veganism, reject the truly low-impact
    alternatives which are really nothing but matters of
    self-sufficiency (gardening, etc.). The fact that
    they purchase analogs and other products show they
    (a) contribute to "cruelty" in farming and
    (b) really haven't lost their taste (and
    preference!) for consuming animal flesh. --
    yours truly, snipurl.com6uyr

    And from a lengthier post that addressed the same issue
    regarding a British vegan restaurant that through a family
    out for feeding a baby some meat:

    Quoted message said:

    offensive, why does that restaurant offer fake meat
    products like vegan sausages, "nut" roasts, and
    other such products? rendezvous.co.ukrendezvous.co.uk

    Take a look at how many veg-ns demand faux meat
    products, and how many of them consider things
    better now that such products are widely available
    AND they taste just like stinking, rotting flesh.

    "Finally there is a product vegetarians can SIZZLE
    on an outdoor grill OR cook in the comfort of the
    kitchen !" tofurky.comproducts.htm

    A great example of what we're talking about. "Certified
    vegan" products all made to look and taste like the very
    meat products they are supposed to dread so much.

    Quoted message said:

    '"Finally, vegetarians have a bona fide holiday
    centerpiece that is all their own. They don’t have
    to settle for second best anymore" was how one
    satisfied customer described it.'
    tofurky.comdefault.htm

    Why is it unacceptable to feed a child real meat
    while everyone else in the restaurant is eating
    stuff formulated to look, taste, and feel like real
    meat?

    Address why it's okay to eat stuff that's supposed
    to taste JUST LIKE dead cows, chickens, fish,
    etc.... What does that tell us about the

    Quoted message said:

    -- yours truly, snipurl.com6uyq

    They've yet to address my questions on this matter over a
    period of a couple years since I started asking them.

    Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

  19. "BlueHeron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Common Man said:

    On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:41:32 GMT, usual suspect
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>I must respectfully ask, What's "natural" about fake
    >>milk made of


    boiled

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >>soybeans, sea salt, sweetener, stabilizers, and some
    >>added vitamins?
    >>=================
    >
    >LOL Great question, Usual....
    >
    >Ah, the ignorance of vegans knows no bounds, does it?

    Which is pretty funny, considering that at least in
    Canada, "natural" flavour is simply soybean and water,
    which, imho is perfectly natural. Certainly more so than
    the stuff that goes into cow milk these days (milk,
    preservatives, vitamins, stabilizers, etc).

    sonice.cabeverages natural.html

    Before you go calling people ignorant, you should at least
    know what you are talking about.


    ==================
    Maybe you should take your own advice stupid. Learn how to
    use your computer and reply to the person that actually
    wrote what your spewing about. The fact remains that the
    *vegan* products we're talking about are far from natural.
    The example you cited is not the whole truth. You can get
    meats without any additives added to the cow, or the meat
    afterwords. You cannot get your substitues without mono-
    culture farming. Again, farming is not 'natural'. Filling
    the fields with posions is hardly what I would call anything
    near 'natural'.

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    Now if the discussion was about "plain", "original",
    vanilla, chocolate or any other flavour, then you would be
    right. They start joining the "drink" group and seriously
    start moving away from the 100% natural group

    Cheers,

    -- Blue

  20. William Hershman said:
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    veganessentials.comstonewalls
    jerquee-.htm

    Don't many if not most vegans detest the idea of eating
    meat? If so, then wouldn't they find such a product
    offensive?

    I can't speak for all, but I don't detest the idea of
    eating meat, I just don't eat meat.

    You know that's atypical of the activists who've
    proliferated in this group in the past. Why do you not eat
    meat?

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