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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
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On Jun 24, 12:42 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > On Jun 23, 12:16 am, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> >> In alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:08:29 -0700
> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >> > The lesson that should be learned is that any recumbent dealer that
> >> > wants to sell to new riders should have an easy to ride bike on hand
> >> > (e.g. Sun EZ-1 SC) for new riders to acclimate to, before trying to
> >> > sell them a bike that might be more suited to their long-term needs
> >> > (e.g. RANS Rocket).
>
> >> Hmm.. would a TWbent SWB 26/20 be "twitchy"? What about a Bacchetta
> >> Giro 20?
>
> >> My first bent ride on two wheels was the former, I rode it up and down
> >> a quiet street for a bit, then home. It was certainly a little
> >> nervous on fast downhills, but most of the time it was fine. The Giro
> >> is rock steady everywhere.
>
> >> I keep finding myself so at odds with other people's first experience
> >> of bents. I can only put it down to not being a bicycle rider! I
> >> used to commute on unpowered two wheels but had not swung a leg over a
> >> bicycle for 10 years when I tried the TW.
>
> >> So I had no preconceptions about what it should be like. No idea that
> >> it should be hard to ride a high BB bike, no idea that it should
> >> handle funny or be slow or anything.
>
> >> If you want more 'bent riders, forget the people who are doing 100
> >> miles a week, get the ones who haven't been on a bike for years. Then
> >> don't tell them it's hard and they can't do it without a lot of
> >> practice. Tell 'em it is easy and they'll never have so much fun.
>
> > Many regular upright bicycle riders dismiss the comfort advantages of
> > recumbents, since they are comfortable on their bikes. However, these
> > upright riders are not a representative sample of the overall
> > population, since except for the odd masochist, people do not partake
> > in unpleasant activities by choice. Those who find uprights
> > uncomfortable usually find another activity.
>
> > The real market for recumbents may well be those who would like to
> > cycle, but can not comfortably ride an upright.
>
> When Mr. Sherman speaks on the subject of recumbents, I listen. I only
> disagree with him on certain aspects of the genre, but overall I can second
> almost everything he says. He is as expert on the subject as Bob Bryant, the
> editor of RCN.
>
> Yes, recumbents are all about being comfortable, something that most of us
> can never get on an upright. I also believe the Bike E was not such a bad
> bike as anyone could ride it easily. I have some recumbents which others
> cannot ride. Nope, they fall over every time they have to make a turn. Go
> figure!
The real problems with the BikeE had to do with the company selling
it, and very little to do with the bike itself. The BikeE should have
been marketed as a more comfortable alternative to upright hybrid and
cruiser bicycles, not as a higher performance alternative to upright
road bikes, which it decidedly was not.
The behavior of the principles at BikeE (some now at BigHa) at the end
was also dishonest, telling dealers and customers (and the readers of
this newsgroup) everything was fine, while planning to fold the
company.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > On Jun 23, 12:16 am, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> >> In alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:08:29 -0700
> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >> > The lesson that should be learned is that any recumbent dealer that
> >> > wants to sell to new riders should have an easy to ride bike on hand
> >> > (e.g. Sun EZ-1 SC) for new riders to acclimate to, before trying to
> >> > sell them a bike that might be more suited to their long-term needs
> >> > (e.g. RANS Rocket).
>
> >> Hmm.. would a TWbent SWB 26/20 be "twitchy"? What about a Bacchetta
> >> Giro 20?
>
> >> My first bent ride on two wheels was the former, I rode it up and down
> >> a quiet street for a bit, then home. It was certainly a little
> >> nervous on fast downhills, but most of the time it was fine. The Giro
> >> is rock steady everywhere.
>
> >> I keep finding myself so at odds with other people's first experience
> >> of bents. I can only put it down to not being a bicycle rider! I
> >> used to commute on unpowered two wheels but had not swung a leg over a
> >> bicycle for 10 years when I tried the TW.
>
> >> So I had no preconceptions about what it should be like. No idea that
> >> it should be hard to ride a high BB bike, no idea that it should
> >> handle funny or be slow or anything.
>
> >> If you want more 'bent riders, forget the people who are doing 100
> >> miles a week, get the ones who haven't been on a bike for years. Then
> >> don't tell them it's hard and they can't do it without a lot of
> >> practice. Tell 'em it is easy and they'll never have so much fun.
>
> > Many regular upright bicycle riders dismiss the comfort advantages of
> > recumbents, since they are comfortable on their bikes. However, these
> > upright riders are not a representative sample of the overall
> > population, since except for the odd masochist, people do not partake
> > in unpleasant activities by choice. Those who find uprights
> > uncomfortable usually find another activity.
>
> > The real market for recumbents may well be those who would like to
> > cycle, but can not comfortably ride an upright.
>
> When Mr. Sherman speaks on the subject of recumbents, I listen. I only
> disagree with him on certain aspects of the genre, but overall I can second
> almost everything he says. He is as expert on the subject as Bob Bryant, the
> editor of RCN.
>
> Yes, recumbents are all about being comfortable, something that most of us
> can never get on an upright. I also believe the Bike E was not such a bad
> bike as anyone could ride it easily. I have some recumbents which others
> cannot ride. Nope, they fall over every time they have to make a turn. Go
> figure!
The real problems with the BikeE had to do with the company selling
it, and very little to do with the bike itself. The BikeE should have
been marketed as a more comfortable alternative to upright hybrid and
cruiser bicycles, not as a higher performance alternative to upright
road bikes, which it decidedly was not.
The behavior of the principles at BikeE (some now at BigHa) at the end
was also dishonest, telling dealers and customers (and the readers of
this newsgroup) everything was fine, while planning to fold the
company.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
