Why do my hard earned tax dollars support a bike team?

Ronde Champ said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

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Ronde Champ said:

I work hard for my money

no you don't, you spend most of the day on r.b.r

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Quoted message said:

Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
in France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to use
their service, so they sponser a bicycle racing team. For
the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
started to complain.
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Alex

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For the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
started to complain.

Who do you suppose you are talking to?

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Ronde Champ said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

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Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not all
there. He spreads so much [censored] around on this board and for
some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do is put him
on ignore.

Curt

curt said:

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Ronde Champ said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from
funds received from postage. If you don't want your hard
earned money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail
anything.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not
all there. He spreads so much [censored] around on this board
and for some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do
is put him on ignore.

Curt

Ahhhh, ok. It's been a while since I came here, because the
place is like the MFW boards -- they eat you alive
sometimes, usually over nothing.

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I doubt most of the D3 pro's make enough to be taxed anyway.
Sure they take the taxes out, but you should get that all
back. If not, then you should spend time talking to an
accountant and less talking about all the money you're
losing, because technically, just being a pro bike racer in
the U.S. is losing you money.

CH

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Quoted message said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

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Ronde Champ said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

DUDE -- you're being trolled.

Dude...........

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Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
use their service

I wonder how you could use the USPS services in Europe???
Each country has it s own postal services, most of the time
a Federal Agency or close, so the advertisement reason is
void for Europe. Works only for USA

And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully illustrates
WHY USPS is not going to be sponsoring the team anymore.

As for the reason why they did it in the first place, there
is a reason. In 1998, USPS was launching a new service,
Global Priority Mail, which would guarantee delivery to
most major cities in the world in 3 days. This service was
being launched not only here but overseas, where they
sought to pick up some business currently monopolized by
DHL. They felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would
race around the world would increase the visibility of the
US Postal Service.

It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But they
feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.

Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
of postage stamps and other shipping services. It is a
corporation, albeit one owned by the US Government, but does
not receive tax money to support its operations -- those are
purely financed by its revenues from the sale of stamps and
other delivery fees.

Regards,

Joe Hurley

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Quoted message said:

Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

(Ronde Champ) said:

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

At the risk of being trolled, especially in light of this
being my annual post to rbr, I offer this (which I'm sure
many have seen). It

collective noses clean...

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The Lake Worth Herald, in a July 2003 editorial wrote,
"Shouldn’t the post office be directing its efforts into
more efficient mail delivery, more cost savings within the
organization, better ways to deal with for-profit
competitors and leave the heavy duty sponsorships to private
businesses which can properly track the effectiveness of
said campaigns?"

In 2002 the newspapers filed three Freedom of Information
(FOIA) requests with the USPS for expenses of postal
executives attending the Tour de France race in Paris.

The newspapers learned that more than a dozen postal
executives spent tens of thousands of dollars on first class
airfare, luxury hotel suites and in Paris’ finest
restaurants.

"On July 3, 2001, then Vice President of Sales Gail
Sonnenberg, and her husband Robert Maddern, manager of post
office operations in the Washington DC metropolitan area,
flew to Geneva, one day after the USPS raised postal rates."

"During less than one month, she expensed nearly $20,000
to the post office for two roundtrip flights and $1,020 a
day hotel charges among other expenditures," the
newspapers reported.

Asked by the Herald/Observers at the time if he paid his own
hotel and expenses while in Europe, Maddern responded, "It’s
none of your business."

postalwatch.org2004 03 24 au revoirOpen ↗
_lance.htm

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<[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
use their service, so they

sponser

Quoted message said:

a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they get
an excellent return on investment. So they continued to do
so until ignorant folks started to complain.
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Alex

I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
for their buck in terms of promotion and advertising. I
doubt they are.

But USPS does not pay taxes on the building or land it owns
as does FedEx and UPS which is a big business advantage.
Even with the monopoly it has, it cannot make money. Some
people should be fired and the postal carriers union is part
of the blame.

Can anyone show proof that sponsoring a bike team increased
their market share?

"Joseph Hurley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully
illustrates WHY USPS is

not

Quoted message said:

going to be sponsoring the team anymore.

As for the reason why they did it in the first place,
there is a reason.

In

Quoted message said:

1998, USPS was launching a new service, Global Priority
Mail, which would guarantee delivery to most major cities
in the world in 3 days. This service was being launched
not only here but overseas, where they sought

to

Quoted message said:

pick up some business currently monopolized by DHL. They
felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would race around
the world would increase the visibility of the US Postal
Service.

It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But
they feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.

Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
of postage stamps and

other

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shipping services. It is a corporation, albeit one owned
by the US Government, but does not receive tax money to
support its operations -- those are purely financed by its
revenues from the sale of stamps and

other

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delivery fees.

Regards,

Joe Hurley

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Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

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Quoted message said:

Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
more business.

USPS

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
service, so they

sponser

Quoted message said:

a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
get an excellent return on investment. So they continued
to do so until ignorant folks started to complain.
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Alex

I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
for their buck

in

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terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.

My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
team in the biggest race in the world! And you want proof?
If you don't think thats good promotion and advertising then
you tell us what is.

Marty

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Ronde Champ said:

I work hard for my money

no you don't, you spend most of the day on r.b.r

ROTFLMAO! A truer statement has never been made on r.b.r.

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<[email hidden]>,
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>Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a
>bike team in France? I work hard for my money, and
>think the taxes I pay could be better used. What a
>Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
more business.

USPS

Quoted message said:

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wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
service, so they

sponser

Quoted message said:

a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
get an

excellent

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return on investment. So they continued to do so until
ignorant folks started to complain.
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Alex

I would like to see some proof that they are getting
bang for their buck

in

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terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.

My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
team in the biggest race in the world! And you want proof?
If you don't think thats good promotion and advertising
then you tell us what is.

Marty

Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing worked
in my case 🙂

USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
popular in Europe than North America 🙂

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> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] says...
> >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a
> >bike team in France? I work hard for my money, and
> >think the taxes I pay could be better used. What a
> >Boondoggle!
>
> Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
> more business.

USPS

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> wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
> service, so they
sponser
> a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
> get an

excellent

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> return on investment. So they continued to do so
> until ignorant folks started to complain.
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> Alex
>

I would like to see some proof that they are getting
bang for their buck

in

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terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.

My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
team in the biggest race in the world! And you want
proof? If you don't think thats good promotion and
advertising then you tell us what is.

Marty

Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing
worked in my case 🙂

USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
popular in Europe than North America 🙂

Also, I think the USPS is privatized and therefore not
supported by the US government. Complain instead about how
the US government does support the US automakers, US
highways, and the US petrolium industry. Talk about a
boondoggle. Since when is it the responsibility of any
government to 'bail out' a corporation (Chrysler) or a city
(New York)?

Mike

"Churchill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VucHc.45732

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Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing
worked in my case 🙂

USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
popular in Europe than North America

🙂

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But this is pointless because the USPS doesn't serve
European customers. That is, as I understand it, Europeans
can't even use the USPS to send mail or packages from Europe
to the US.

However, even though cycling isn't as popular here, Lance
has very high name recognition in the US and the
commercials featuring him racing through "sleet, snow,
gloom of night, etc" are actually pretty effective images
for a delivery service.

As for the USPS advertising in general -- of course they
have to advertise. They're in competition with FedEx, UPS,
Airborne, etc for the package delivery business, which is
the potential growth area. The rise of the Internet has
greatly increased package delivery (due to internet
shopping) while it has reduced ordinary mail delivery (due
to email).

Mark

Churchill said:

Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing worked
in my case 🙂

USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
popular in Europe than North America 🙂

It's not bad advertising in the US, either, and having seen
the budget numbers for what they spent supporting Lance & Co
a couple of years ago, I think they're doing pretty well
particularly since they're getting a lot more than just some
forgettable and tawdry billboards and print ads. (By
comparison, it would have cost several times as much to
support a NASCAR entry of any note, and would not have given
them a penny's worth of international recognition, nor would
it have reached the upper-echelon US business decision-
makers whose attention they also wanted to draw.)

Recently, of course, the fact that Lance has been winning
*in France* has been scoring points with some of the less
intellectual Americans. They demand their bread and circuses
loudly. (Some of our local post offices were selling USPS
cycling jerseys a few months back, and they sold out rather
quickly. I was surprised that this was the case.)
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