Why didn't they wait for Beloki?

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Here's a LA quote from today:

"Armstrong was aware that Ullrich didn't attack when he crashed, saying "the fact of the matter is
that I did the same two years ago on the descent of the Col de Peyresourde. I was with a few guys
and said 'look, we can't race until we know (Ullrich) is ok, if he's back in the race. "

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok?

They quit riding hard. It was on a descent. Vinokourov's gap (he was off the front) went up by
25 seconds after the crash in a space of 4 km - he only had 10 seconds advantage at the time of
the crash.

So, no, Beloki was not treated differently.

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He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

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They quit riding hard. It was on a descent. Vinokourov's gap (he was off the front) went up by
25 seconds after the crash in a space of 4 km - he only had 10 seconds advantage at the time of
the crash.

So, no, Beloki was not treated differently.

I think they were just waiting for Lance to rejoin properly.

And as soon as he picked up he said "C'mon guys what are you waiting for? I am all right!

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They quit riding hard. It was on a descent. Vinokourov's gap (he was off

the

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front) went up by 25 seconds after the crash in a space of 4 km - he only had 10 seconds
advantage at the time of the crash.

So, no, Beloki was not treated differently.

I think they were just waiting for Lance to rejoin properly.

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He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

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Excellent question.

And one that has already been answered in this forum. Vinokourov was on attack when Beloki went
down. Vinokourov had attacked in the previous ascent and wasn't going to stop his attack (nor was he
expected to or supposed to). You don't attack when a key player goes down and might be able to
continue reasonably quickly, but in Beloki's case the whole scenario was different and more complex.

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And as soon as he picked up he said "C'mon guys what are you waiting for?

I

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am all right!

Vinokourov gained another 20-25 seconds after the crash.

It was downhill, he was alone, the chase had a group.

Even you can connect those dots.

The dots I can connect are your previous messages that you are now contradicting. Bravo!

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And as soon as he picked up he said "C'mon guys what are you waiting

for?

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I

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am all right!

Vinokourov gained another 20-25 seconds after the crash.

It was downhill, he was alone, the chase had a group.

Even you can connect those dots.

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Here's a LA quote from today:

"Armstrong was aware that Ullrich didn't attack when he crashed, saying "the fact of the matter is
that I did the same two years ago on the descent of the Col de Peyresourde. I was with a few guys
and said 'look, we can't race until we know (Ullrich) is ok, if he's back in the race. "

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Does Beloki get no respect because he has an attitude problem?

Cycling has wired unwritten rules. Someone should write a bokk and put all the unwritten
rules into it.

Everyone could hear the poor Beloki screaming. So, if they have to wait, for how long? Untill the
docter arrived and they have read the medical statement?

Groet, Arne Vogel

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Ullrich didn't have the yellow when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how
Beloki was?

For the Beloki crash incident, Vino was off the front, closing to the finish, and was a contender.
They didn't have the luxury of waiting to determine the state of Beloki. No contender was off the
front today.

Of course, you are simply trolling, since this is all obvious.

DanSchmatz said:

From what I heard the sounds he made as he hit/slid across the pavement were indication that he
wouldn't be riding anymore that day.

At any rate, they would have known the situation by radio in a minute or so.

David Ryan said:

DanSchmatz said:

From what I heard the sounds he made as he hit/slid across the pavement were indication that he
wouldn't be riding anymore that day.

At any rate, they would have known the situation by radio in a minute or so.

a minute or so? I dont think they will wait a few minutes to hear if they're alowed to
continue the race

Two years ago, Armstrong waited for Ullrich, just for a few seconds, to let him catch up. Today,
Ullrich did the same.

If Armstrong had fallen seriously, or if he'd broken his bike in two parts, Ullrich wouldn't
wait for him.

Groet, Arne Vogel

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The dots I can connect are your previous messages that you are now contradicting. Bravo!

I'm not contradicting at all. Vinokourov gained and extra 20-25 seconds after the crash. On a
downhill finish, if the group was chasing, that would not have happened in the last 4k of a race.

Please show where I contradict myself.

Dumbass.

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He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Because Beloki wasnt getting up from that crash....

We all know that now. But did Lance know? I do not think so, and no gesture he made suggests
otherwise. In fact could he even know? Does it really matter? The fact is, nobody waited (not even
Zubeldia taht probably knows Beloki pretty well).

By the time Lance and the others were arriving to the finish line, the ONCE car had just arrived to
evaluate the situation, even Beloki himself thought for a second he could continue, till he standed
up (with help) and felt the pain in the hip (he has said so).

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He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Because Beloki wasnt getting up from that crash....

You are right Dumbass. (I mixed your stuff with that from other messages). But I do not accept (what
I think is your point) that the loss of time can be attributed to Armstrong (and the others) making
a significant gesture of concern. It just was not there, so no "class" 😉 points for Lance.

The extra 15-25 and possibly more ( has anybody meassured?) secs are completely within the range of
what Lance cross-country trip lasted and the time to get back on the bike, get the fear out of his
system and pick up speed.

The chase? Sorry, but if Beloki (that is not precisiley Olano going downhill) is the one pulling
down, then there was something wrong there anyways.

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The dots I can connect are your previous messages that you are now contradicting. Bravo!

I'm not contradicting at all. Vinokourov gained and extra 20-25 seconds after the crash. On a
downhill finish, if the group was chasing, that

would

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not have happened in the last 4k of a race.

Please show where I contradict myself.

Dumbass.

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You are right Dumbass.

Of course I am, Dumbass.

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Here's a LA quote from today:

"Armstrong was aware that Ullrich didn't attack when he crashed, saying "the fact of the matter
is that I did the same two years ago on the descent of the Col de Peyresourde. I was with a few
guys and said 'look, we can't race until we know (Ullrich) is ok, if he's back in the race. "

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Does Beloki get no respect because he has an attitude problem?

Cycling has wired unwritten rules. Someone should write a bokk and put all the unwritten rules
into it.

Everyone could hear the poor Beloki screaming. So, if they have to wait, for how long? Untill the
docter arrived and they have read the medical statement?

lol

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He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else. Ullrich didn't have the yellow
when Lance waited for him so why didn't anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Two things - on a downhill, at 50-60km/hr, riders don't "get up" again.

Second, there was an unattached GC threat to chase ahead.

Alex Beascoechea said:

We all know that now. But did Lance know? I do not think so, and no gesture he made suggests
otherwise. In fact could he even know? Does it really matter? The fact is, nobody waited (not even
Zubeldia taht probably knows Beloki pretty well).

Armstrong (and the others) knew at once that Beloki would not get on is bike for minutes. (or worse)

That was enough to justify the decision to continue the race.

Groet, Arne Vogel