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Why did Mongoloids and Caucasoids evolve differently?

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  1. I was wondering, since Asia and Europe is extremely close together, why did they evolve in a
    different manner? the ice age theory might explain it but when you really think about it, mongoloids
    probably lived through the ice age in the same kind of climate as the caucasoids hence the lighter
    skin colour compared to negroids but, mongoloids developed a different eyelid shape to protect them
    from the cold but did the caucasoids? no. The Caucasoids developed different hair colours and eye
    colours but did the mongoloids? no.

    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why did we
    evolve in a different manner?

  2. Makoto Taniguchi said:

    I was wondering, since Asia and Europe is extremely close together, why did they evolve in a
    different manner? the ice age theory might explain it but when you really think about it,
    mongoloids probably lived through the ice age in the same kind of climate as the caucasoids hence
    the lighter skin colour compared to negroids but, mongoloids developed a different eyelid shape to
    protect them from the cold but did the caucasoids? no. The Caucasoids developed different hair
    colours and eye colours but did the mongoloids? no.

    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why did
    we evolve in a different manner?


    Chance. At least for the causcasoid it had been shown (by genetic methods) that the population had
    decreased considerably probably about 8000 years ago. (Is the population figure of <1000 correct?)
    Now one or a few chance mutations had a big impact on such a small population. Certainly, if the
    mongoloid eyelid shape would have developed there, it would have been maintained by natural
    selection.

    Heino

  3. "Makoto Taniguchi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why did
    we evolve in a different manner?


    You never get completely convergent evolution. Genetic drift will fix different alleles at random,
    whilst different favourable alleles will arise in the two populations. For instance, both
    populations faced the problem of polluted water. Caucasians solved this by killing off the pathogens
    with alcohol, whilst mongoloids brewed a nice cup of tea. Hence a lot of Chinese people lack
    alchohol dehydrogenase and keel over after a pint.

  4. "Makoto Taniguchi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering, since Asia and Europe is extremely close together, why did they evolve in a
    different manner? the ice age theory might explain it but when you really think about it,
    mongoloids probably lived through the ice age in the same kind of climate as the caucasoids hence
    the lighter skin colour compared to negroids but, mongoloids developed a different eyelid shape to
    protect them from the cold but did the caucasoids? no. The Caucasoids developed different hair
    colours and eye colours but did the mongoloids? no.

    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why did
    we evolve in a different manner?

    They started out with slightly different gene combination add that with slightly different mutation
    along the way. There also a slightly different climate and time spent there. Whenever you have a
    secluded group of any species you are likely to see changes from the norm. Australian Aborigines are
    Asian but they were separated for a long time and developed to the climate change. Journey of Man
    news.nationalgeographic.comphoto8.html
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Lane

  5. "Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Makoto Taniguchi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why
    did we evolve in a different manner?


    You never get completely convergent evolution. Genetic drift will fix different alleles at random,
    whilst different favourable alleles will


    arise

    Quoted message said:

    in the two populations. For instance, both populations faced the problem of polluted water.
    Caucasians solved this by killing off the pathogens with alcohol, whilst mongoloids brewed a nice
    cup of tea. Hence a lot of Chinese people lack alchohol dehydrogenase and keel over after a pint.

    Is that true, that many Chinese people can't drink, I didn't know that.


    :-)

  6. Heino Prinz <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bm99k7$2vo9$1
    @darwin.ediacara.org:

    Quoted message said:
    Makoto Taniguchi said:

    I was wondering, since Asia and Europe is extremely close together, why did they evolve in a
    different manner? the ice age theory might explain it but when you really think about it,
    mongoloids probably lived through the ice age in the same kind of climate as the caucasoids hence
    the lighter skin colour compared to negroids but, mongoloids developed a different eyelid shape
    to protect them from the cold but did the caucasoids? no. The Caucasoids developed different hair
    colours and eye colours but did the mongoloids? no.

    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why did
    we evolve in a different manner?


    Chance. At least for the causcasoid it had been shown (by genetic methods) that the population had
    decreased considerably probably about 8000 years ago. (Is the population figure of <1000 correct?)
    Now one or a few chance mutations had a big impact on such a small population. Certainly, if the
    mongoloid eyelid shape would have developed there, it would have been maintained by natural
    selection.

    I can accept that the difference is chance, but I can also believe that there is an adaptive
    explanation. In terms of overall pigmentation levels, Chinese are similar to Italians, and you will
    note that northern China is at the same latitude as Italy. The blonde and blue-eyed northern
    europeans live at a much higher latitude (OK there are eskimos, but how long have they lived at the
    high latitude?). There is by the way much debate on this issue.

    With regard to eyelid shape, I can envision an explanation based on windiness, with the forests in
    Scandinavia preventing the need, and the steppes in Mongolia leading to high wind chills and the
    need for the fold. Since I have no data on either current or historical average wind speeds in the
    two regions, and since even if there was a difference the mongoloid eyelid might still have been an
    advantage in northern Europe, I wouldn't bet a lot of money on my explanation. But it is always fun
    to try to come up with a good just-so story.

    Yours,

    Bill Morse

  7. Now there's something else I want to add to the mix. Why did North American Natives develop a much
    more caucasian like look when compared to their Asiatic counterparts?

    [moderator's note: It may be useful to take this thread to the sci.anthropology hierarchy, since
    it's about, well, anthropology. You may find more expert opinion there. - JAH]

  8. "Representative Trantis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Makoto Taniguchi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    The climate and the area of both the mongoloids and caucasoids are not that different. So why
    did we evolve in a different manner?


    You never get completely convergent evolution. Genetic drift will fix different alleles at
    random, whilst different favourable alleles will


    arise

    Quoted message said:

    in the two populations. For instance, both populations faced the problem of polluted water.
    Caucasians solved this by killing off the pathogens with alcohol, whilst mongoloids brewed a
    nice cup of tea. Hence a lot of Chinese people lack alchohol dehydrogenase and keel over after
    a pint.

    Is that true, that many Chinese people can't drink, I didn't know that.


    :-)

    Well, I can't speak for Chinese people, but I'm Japanese and I don't know too many Japanese people
    who can't drink.

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