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  1. Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim much
    more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly running,cycling
    ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky

  2. Picky left this mess on 26 Feb 2004 11:00:39 -0800 for The Way to clean up:

    Quoted message said:


    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim much
    more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly running,cycling
    ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Have you spoken to a doctor about this?

    It sounds to me like (despite what you say) you're not breathing properly, and probably dumping air
    above the surface in order to take in more and just not getting enough fresh air in.

    Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

    (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-ass question
    here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif

  3. do you kick your legs like mad? try not kicking so much

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim
    much more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly
    running,cycling ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky

  4. (Picky) said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim much
    more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly running,cycling
    ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Exhale below the water. Inhale above.

    Stop kicking so much. Just relax and kick only enough to keep your legs horizontal.

    Relax.

    Don't breathe too often. Once every 3-5 strokes is fine. I breathe every 4 strokes.

  5. Hey,

    Thanks for the advice so far:

    1 No I havent been to a doctor about this, he would probably give me antibiotics and show
    me the door.

    2 I hardly kick my legs at all

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not getting
    all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing this??????

    Just been to the pool tonight and tempted to sack it altogether! How can I happily run a hard 10
    miler but not swim 75meters!!

    Later

    Picky

  6. "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim
    much more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly
    running,cycling ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky

    have you had anyone (a good coach) check your breathing technique? Do you hold your breath under
    water, or do you exhale while under water?

    Maybe you're starting off too hard.

    Hard to tell without actually seeing you swim.

  7. "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Thanks for the advice so far:

    1 No I havent been to a doctor about this, he would probably give me antibiotics and show me
    the door.

    2 I hardly kick my legs at all

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not
    getting all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing
    this??????

    Just been to the pool tonight and tempted to sack it altogether! How can I happily run a hard 10
    miler but not swim 75meters!!

    Later

    Picky

    Try practicing inhaling above eater, and exhaling under water, just hanging on to the edge of the
    pool, without swimming. Are you relaxed? Can you find the rhythm? Do you have to stop after a while,
    or can you get relaxed and do this for what seems like forever?

    That should give you more of a clue if it's your breathing technique, or something else.

    I can happily swim a mile, but can't run a mile.

  8. "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not
    getting all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing
    this??????

    Perhaps you are beginning to exhale too late. Try beginning to exhale almost as soon as your head
    goes back in the water. Exhale at a rate that empties your lungs just as you start to turn up for
    your inhalation.

    Don

  9. Picky said:


    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless

    I reckon your technique could stand for a bit more sortin'. Have you looked into lessons or
    coaching? If you are, as you say, in pretty good shape, but have trouble swimming more than 50m then
    the problem almost has to be with your technique. Just my opinion, but unless some one can actually
    see you swim, it's doubtful they'll be able to offer you effective advice.

    Tom

  10. try alternating lengths between freestyle and breast stroke for a while...breathing should be easy
    during breast...then, once you're comfortable with the free length, start doing 2 free, 1
    breast...etc...

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Thanks for the advice so far:

    1 No I havent been to a doctor about this, he would probably give me antibiotics and show me
    the door.

    2 I hardly kick my legs at all

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not
    getting all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing
    this??????

    Just been to the pool tonight and tempted to sack it altogether! How can I happily run a hard 10
    miler but not swim 75meters!!

    Later

    Picky

  11. If there is a book store around, go and read through a book called "Total Immersion". This book has
    helped me in lots of ways and I can now after a month of swimming, swim miles in the pool. It shows
    you how to be in a good position in the water, to be efficient and how to take nice long strokes.
    Breathing can be done on every stroke on one side, but you should slowly breath out underwater and
    really breath every 3-5. Most likely you are breathing on one side, so shoot for every 4 strokes. I
    bet you are not relaxed and thrashing in the water. Try and relax and don't make much of a splash
    while you are taking strokes. Push your chest into the water a little deeper, this will keep your
    legs parallel with the rest of your body and don't lift your head to take a breath turn your head.
    This is a common problem with a runner, because they feel they need air fast, so they lift their
    head. Lifting your head moves your legs closer to the bottom of the pool and takes away from your
    gliding through the water.. Nice long slow strokes and don't be in a rush to take the stroke. Glide
    a little while your hands are close to in front of your head extended. I suspect you are inefficient
    and need to work on what I have posted. Also, you are probably uncomfortable in the water and not
    relaxed and trying to keep high in the water so you are thrashing about instead of gliding along.
    Doing 50's are ok, if you are working on some form. Do a 50 and rest for a few seconds and keep
    doing them properly. Then do 75's and then 100's and so on. Don't rush all this, take your time.
    Feel your body glide through the water.

    Enjoy swimming it is a great low impact exercise. I also bike and run. For a runner like yourself,
    it is a little difficult to get used to not being able to breath when you want to. This is very
    common for runners. You will find a rhythm and get used to it, everyone does. Just don't swim too
    fast and make your body long and reach far and take a full stroke. You will do fine, but it takes
    a while to get used to it and keep your body parallel by pushing your chest down a bit to get
    those legs up.

    Curt

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim
    much more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly
    running,cycling ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky

  12. On one of the re-routes of this e several people have commented re gettting all the air out of your
    lungs before taking next breath. I always thought I did. Well today I really concentrated on it and
    low and behold I was actually getting full 25 yrd lengths back to back breathing on the 5th stroke
    consistantly. Hard to get used to, but definitely better style, form, etc. I'm the guy in the 48-51
    mile swim. Dropped time today to 43. Attribute lots to my concentration on the breathing techique.
    Thank you who ever posted that obversation.

    Also interesting re runners breathing technique. I am a runner, did 4 miles before the swim. Never
    heard the above, but makes sense.

    As I called this mornings work out a mid-west mini tri. Ride, (in my SUV) to the high school, run 4
    miles (legit)- 9 minute miles. Quick change to the pool for a one mile swim. So that everyone knows,
    since I am the idiot that posted the orginal e re "how many pool lengths equaled a mile", that
    started all the controversy, I did stop at 70.4 lenghts!!!

    I guess us math challenged, older folks just like to brag on how far we ran/biked/bladed/swim. Just
    easier to say it in miles!

  13. How is the flexibility in your ankles? My husband can also run for miles (at a very fast pace) but
    if he gets into a pool, he barely moves forward. His ankles are stiff. Can you kick and move foward
    on a kickboard easily? If not, you might want to work on ankle flexibility so you learn to feel the
    water with your legs and feet as if you have flexible fins attached to your body.

    Marianne "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey,

    Thanks for the advice so far:

    1 No I havent been to a doctor about this, he would probably give me antibiotics and show me
    the door.

    2 I hardly kick my legs at all

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not
    getting all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing
    this??????

    Just been to the pool tonight and tempted to sack it altogether! How can I happily run a hard 10
    miler but not swim 75meters!!

    Later

    Picky

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I did stop at 70.4 lenghts!!!

    What was your time?

    Steve Curtis

  15. On 28 Feb 2004 20:52:16 GMT, [email hidden]

    (Skipthomp48) said:

    I'm the guy in the 48-51 mile swim. Dropped time today to 43. ..., I did stop at 70.4 lenghts!!!

    So cutting that extra 1.6 lengths saved you 5 - 8 minutes. Wow! :-)

    Donal Fagan AIA Donal@DonalO'Fagan.com (Anglicise the name to reply by e-mail)

  16. 43 minutes

  17. i HAVE to spit and blow air out before i take my breath...is it totally in my head?

    "Skipthomp48" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040228155216.10134.00000458@mb-
    m17.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    On one of the re-routes of this e several people have commented re


    gettting all

    Quoted message said:

    the air out of your lungs before taking next breath. I always thought I


    did.

    Quoted message said:

    Well today I really concentrated on it and low and behold I was actually getting full 25 yrd
    lengths back to back breathing on the 5th stroke consistantly. Hard to get used to, but definitely
    better style, form,


    etc.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm the guy in the 48-51 mile swim. Dropped time today to 43. Attribute


    lots

    Quoted message said:

    to my concentration on the breathing techique. Thank you who ever posted


    that

    Quoted message said:

    obversation.

    Also interesting re runners breathing technique. I am a runner, did 4


    miles

    Quoted message said:

    before the swim. Never heard the above, but makes sense.

    As I called this mornings work out a mid-west mini tri. Ride, (in my SUV)


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the high school, run 4 miles (legit)- 9 minute miles. Quick change to the


    pool

    Quoted message said:

    for a one mile swim. So that everyone knows, since I am the idiot that


    posted

    Quoted message said:

    the orginal e re "how many pool lengths equaled a mile", that started all


    the

    Quoted message said:

    controversy, I did stop at 70.4 lenghts!!!

    I guess us math challenged, older folks just like to brag on how far we ran/biked/bladed/swim.
    Just easier to


    say it

    Quoted message said:

    in miles!

  18. i kick my legs like mad when i'm gittin impaled by muh man..
    :-D

    "oscargrouch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    do you kick your legs like mad? try not kicking so much

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim
    much more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly
    running,cycling ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to go
    above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky

  19. i bet you do

    "Zgirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i kick my legs like mad when i'm gittin impaled by muh man..
    :-D

    "oscargrouch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    do you kick your legs like mad? try not kicking so much

    "Picky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi guys,

    Ive been trying to swim for a few years now and reckon Ive got my technique pretty well sorted
    (although I have to concentrate to swim efficiently) but Im still useless and struggle to swim
    much more that a 50 without stopping to "catch my breathe". (even when swimming slowly)

    I reckon Im in pretty good shape, resting hr is 50 and can do most exercise (mainly
    running,cycling ) at my threshold (just above 170bpm) forever if I grit my teeth.

    I dont understand what Im doing wrong with swimming, I am clearly not working hard enough to
    go above my threshold and therefore cannot understand what the limiting factor is?????

    I do try to exhale and inhale fully in case this is the issue but it doesnt seem to be.

    Later,

    Picky



  20. (Picky) said:

    1 No I havent been to a doctor about this, he would probably give me antibiotics and show me
    the door.

    Why would a doctor give antibiotics to somebody learning to swim? He'd probably advise you to get
    lessons, like we do.

    Quoted message said:

    2 I hardly kick my legs at all

    Good.

    Quoted message said:

    3 I do try and breathe out fully underwater but agree that the problem could be that Im not getting
    all the old air out and then just topping them up when I breath in. How can I stop doing this??????

    Stop doing what? Don't worry about your breathing so much. You don't need to breathe as much as you
    think. Relax. Swim a length or two of breast stroke when you get tired.

    Quoted message said:

    Just been to the pool tonight and tempted to sack it altogether! How can I happily run a hard 10
    miler but not swim 75meters!!

    Bad swimming technique. Learn how from a coach. Most pools have swimming lessons. Failing that, read
    the TI books totalimmersion.nettotalimmersion.net

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