Why can't Lance sprint?

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During one of Lance's Dauphine sprints against Mayo, in the background I noticed an old man walking
with a cane along the course toward a WC. Amazing thing was the old man passed Armstrong, had time
to use the WC and return to view the finish. Really though, have you ever seen such a slug when it
comes to sprinting? Geez! Has he ever raced or trained on the track? Has Carmichael ever tried to
fix this problem?

Obviously his sprint is good enough to win the TDF, so he probably won't be doing anything to
improve it.
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Really though, have you ever seen such a slug when it comes to sprinting? Geez!

Yes. You know how after the sprint on the Champs Elysees they showed endless slow-motion replays of
the finish? After last year's Paris-Tours World Cup race they replayed the finish at full-speed.

He did beat everyone in the group to get 2nd at Alpe D'huez...

Jiyang

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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During one of Lance's Dauphine sprints against Mayo, in the background I noticed an old man
walking with a cane along the course toward a WC. Amazing thing was the old man passed Armstrong,
had time to use the WC and return to view the finish. Really though, have you ever seen such a
slug when it comes to sprinting? Geez! Has he ever raced or trained on the track? Has Carmichael
ever tried to fix this problem?

Obviously his sprint is good enough to win the TDF, so he probably won't be doing anything to
improve it.
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Alex __O _-\<,_ (_)/ (_)

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He did beat everyone in the group to get 2nd at Alpe D'huez...

Even Vinokourov? That was an amazing jump then.

oops... forgot vino. He did beat everyone in the group to get 3rd at Alpe D'huez...

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He did beat everyone in the group to get 2nd at Alpe D'huez...

Even Vinokourov? That was an amazing jump then.

This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a lot a
riders out there. Clearly, though, he's not the rider he was prior to cancer. Note the differences
in Lance as a rider pre and post cancer, along with his training. In short, Lance has evolved into
an ultracomplete rider. Unfortunately he has sacrifice his sprint to do so. WHY?

That improved climbing and TT ability likely stems from his development of his Type I and Type II
mucles fibers more towards the endunace end of the spectrum. There are likely some other physiologic
changes to explain this as well, but the bottom line is Lance has lost some of his sprint but gain a
huge amount of "endurance" power. To say he sucks in a sprint though, you need to consider the event
and the motivation.

If anyone recalls, Indurain was not known for his sprint, but he beat one of the top sprinters in
the World (Ludwig) at the World Championships. Also recall Mr. Bugno edging Jalabert (pre-crash and
pre-super stud) in the '92 worlds. Ah, then there's Kelly. The '89 worlds came down to a sprint and
Lemond housed everyone! Clearly Kelly had evolved into a more complete rider, but Lemond had a
pretty vicious sprint at times.

Also remember that sprinting at the end of a stage 2 weeks into the Tour is different than a one 265
km RR. So sprinting is more complicated than one would think.

CH

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During one of Lance's Dauphine sprints against Mayo, in the background I noticed an old man
walking with a cane along the course toward a WC. Amazing thing was the old man passed Armstrong,
had time to use the WC and return to view the finish.

Really though, have you ever seen such a slug when it comes to sprinting? Geez!

Has he ever raced or trained on the track? Has Carmichael ever tried to fix this problem?

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a lot
a riders out there.

When has he demonstrated his sprint? I wish he had a good enough sprint to win Amstel Gold at
least once.

-WG

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a lot
a riders out there.

I have no doubt that Armstrong could house a lot of riders...heck, with his income he could buy a
bunch of houses! But what the heck does that have to do with his sprinting ability?

Andy Coggan

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During one of Lance's Dauphine sprints against Mayo, in the background I noticed an old man
walking with a cane along the course toward a WC. Amazing thing was the old man passed Armstrong,
had time to use the WC and return to view the finish.

Really though, have you ever seen such a slug when it comes to sprinting? Geez!

Has he ever raced or trained on the track? Has Carmichael ever tried to fix this problem?

warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>, chris

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a lot
a riders out there.

When has he demonstrated his sprint? I wish he had a good enough sprint to win Amstel Gold at
least once.

Verdun, 1993 was the last time, I believe. Unless you count the 20km breakaway into Limoges in
1995 where he did a 60kph effort on the false flat to escape. Not sure if that counts as a
sprint though...

You must just like to contradict everything I say...I guess you're bored. Nonetheless I'll
tell you when:

'93 TdF, Lance won a stage from a few classy riders of the time. I also remember a young Lance
winning the crit at Dupont and the CR at Fitchburg.

I'd also have to say he was barely beaten by Boogerd in Amstel after he sat on his wheel for the
last 20 k. He was beaten by Dekker who is known for a fast finish.

As for housing us, Lance has plenty of houses, but he can also put the kaibash on us in a sprint,
Slam dunk us in a race or just plain kick our ass.

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In article <[email hidden]>, chris

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a
lot a riders out there.

When has he demonstrated his sprint? I wish he had a good enough sprint to win Amstel Gold at
least once.

-WG

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You must just like to contradict everything I say...I guess you're bored. Nonetheless I'll tell
you when:

'93 TdF, Lance won a stage from a few classy riders of the time. I also remember a young Lance
winning the crit at Dupont and the CR at Fitchburg.

I'd also have to say he was barely beaten by Boogerd in Amstel after he sat on his wheel for the
last 20 k. He was beaten by Dekker who is known for a fast finish.

As for housing us, Lance has plenty of houses, but he can also put the kaibash on us in a sprint,
Slam dunk us in a race or just plain kick our ass.

OK, fine. What does this have to do with real estate?

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In article <[email hidden]>, chris <[email hidden]>

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a
lot a riders out there.

When has he demonstrated his sprint? I wish he had a good enough sprint to win Amstel Gold at
least once.

-WG

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You must just like to contradict everything I say...I guess you're bored.

Not at all. I just couldn't remember the last time he won a sprint, and since you're having to go
back about 10 years to support your point that Lance has "a great sprint" I think my question seems
reasonable, eh?

-WG

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Nonetheless I'll tell you when:

'93 TdF, Lance won a stage from a few classy riders of the time. I also remember a young Lance
winning the crit at Dupont and the CR at Fitchburg.

I'd also have to say he was barely beaten by Boogerd in Amstel after he sat on his wheel for the
last 20 k. He was beaten by Dekker who is known for a fast finish.

As for housing us, Lance has plenty of houses, but he can also put the kaibash on us in a sprint,
Slam dunk us in a race or just plain kick our ass.

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In article <[email hidden]>, chris <[email hidden]>

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This is far more complicated than you think. First, Lance has a great sprint and could house a
lot a riders out there.

When has he demonstrated his sprint? I wish he had a good enough sprint to win Amstel Gold at
least once.

-WG

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'93 TdF, Lance won a stage from a few classy riders of the time.

Against those noted bunch sprint fastmen Raul Alcala, Ronan Pensec, Dominique Arnould (a cyclocross
guy) and the always feared Giancarlo Perini!

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oops... forgot vino. He did beat everyone in the group to get 3rd at Alpe D'huez...

But, he lost the sprint for 2nd in Gap to both Bettini and Mayo.

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He did beat everyone in the group to get 2nd at Alpe D'huez...

Even Vinokourov? That was an amazing jump then.

roadswag said:

During one of Lance's Dauphine sprints against Mayo, in the background I noticed an old man
walking with a cane along the course toward a WC. Amazing thing was the old man passed Armstrong,
had time to use the WC and return to view the finish.

Really though, have you ever seen such a slug when it comes to sprinting? Geez!

Has he ever raced or trained on the track? Has Carmichael ever tried to fix this problem?

Clearly Lance can't sprint because he is not Australian. Have a look back at the top 3 standing in
the Green Jersey in the TdF, not to mention the Track Worlds in the Sprint & Keirin and play count
the Aussies.

Aussies can sprint. refer Cookie, Robbie, Super Stu, Brownie on the road and Dajka and Eadie on
the track.