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  1. From the sunday telegraph..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/04/09/mrma
    y09.xml&sSheet=/motoring/2005/04/09/ixmot.html

    As seen on TV: Get off your bike to save the world
    (Filed: 09/04/2005)

    Far from being an eco-friendly transport solution, bicycles simply encourage
    car ownership, argues James May

    The other week I took part in a radio debate about cars, congestion, the
    environment, blah blah blah. Inevitably, the talk turned to alternative
    transport and, equally inevitably, someone piped up with: "Well, what about
    the bicycle?"

    Impractical: bicycles just give us a taste of the mobility we crave

    Well, what? The bicycle as we know it - that is, with two equally sized
    wheels (Chopper excepted) and pedals driving the rear wheel via a chain -
    has been with us for 120 years, and its advantages and limitations are well
    established.

    Far from being an unrealised technology, cycling was, in the late 19th
    century, a craze of such massive proportions that whole societies grew up
    around it. It was celebrated in woodcuts and etchings that these days, like
    Monet's Poppy Field, have made their way on to biscuit-tin lids and place
    mats. Cycling is nothing new.

    I like a good bike. I own several, and love the purity of their purpose. The
    bicycle must number as one of humankind's all-time great inventions, being a
    machine to improve the efficiency of the human engine without any extra
    input, although if you're going for a really big ride you might want a Mars
    bar first.

    But they're not perfect. For local shopping trips and light haulage duties,
    they're great. But you would struggle to bring home a new coffee table on
    one, and while they might be fast over a few miles, getting from Bristol to
    Edinburgh by bicycle is not really a viable proposition. And I should know,
    because I've done it.

    So the bicycle is not the solution to our supposed transport woes. In fact,
    I would like to go further than that. The bicycle is at the root of the
    problem perceived by the car's detractors. I would like to suggest that
    every time a bicycle is minted, the desire for a car is born.

    It begins in childhood, when the stabilisers come off and permission is
    granted to go, alone, beyond the boundaries of the garden. It is either a
    very witless or extraordinarily fit child who does not realise that the
    bicycle would be much more liberating with an engine slung in the vacant
    diamond of its frame, and from there it is a small step to the realisation
    that the whole contraption would be better with a roof, a radio and four
    wheels to prevent it from falling over at junctions.

    As you grew, you owned bigger and better bikes, rode further afield, fitted
    a horn, experimented with centre-pull brakes, built a scrambler, learnt to
    do wheelies and generally exhausted the potential of the thing until, at 17,
    you were foaming at the mouth in anticipation of that glorious day when you
    could chuck the bike in the back of the shed and borrow your dad's car.

    More significant, however, is that the bicycle has often been the first
    tentative manufacturing step of people who went on, quite naturally, to make
    cars. That machine with two equally sized wheels and a chain was the Rover
    Safety Bicycle of 1885, designed by John Kemp Starley (whose uncle James is
    generally considered the creator of the penny-farthing). The business he
    founded went on to become the Rover car company.

    In fact, the whole history of the motor industry is littered with bicycles.
    Today, many so-called "premium" car makers produce fashionable bicycles made
    from pure unobtanium and supposedly inspired by the brand attributes of
    their cars. History shows the process generally worked the other way around.

    Václav Laurin and Václav Klement, for example, were a pair of fledgling
    industrialists who cut their teeth on bicycles and then progressed,
    naturally enough, to motorcycles and cars. The company they founded is
    better known today as Skoda, so the bicycle can be blamed for the Rapid
    Coupé if nothing else.

    Peugeot made bicycles before it made cars. It still does. Soichiro Honda
    founded his empire by buggering about with bicycle components. Fiat made
    bicycles. Nations strapped for cash climb aboard bicycles and use the
    mobility they offer to invigorate their economies so they can move on to
    cars. Look at China.

    So there is something fatuous about rich bankers, scruffy media types and
    sanctimonious environmentalists pedalling around believing they're doing the
    decent thing and ridding the world of the menace of the car. The bicycle was
    never the solution to an existing need.

    Rather, it remains the potent symbol of some deep-rooted urge to move
    around that will not stop with pedalling any more than it stopped with
    primitive man's first dug-out canoe.

    Consider this. Little more than 100 years ago, two men living in a crude hut
    on a beach in North Carolina gave us the world's first powered and
    controllable aeroplane. It should come as no surprise to learn that the
    Wright brothers were bicycle makers.

  2. On 10/4/05 1:03 pm, in article [email hidden], "Jon

    Senior' jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk said:
    David Martin said:

    From the sunday telegraph..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/04/09/mrma
    y09.xml&sSheet=/motoring/2005/04/09/ixmot.html

    As seen on TV: Get off your bike to save the world
    (Filed: 09/04/2005)

    Far from being an eco-friendly transport solution, bicycles simply encourage
    car ownership, argues James May

    "James May presents Top Gear". Nuff said?

    One of the more rational presenters.. It is an interesting view on
    emancipation.. from the original introduction of the bicycle allowing
    mobility of labour to the present age where mass mobility ensures we still
    spend the same or even more of our time travelling to work.

    ...d

  3. On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:03:17 +0000, Jon Senior

    jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk said:
    David Martin said:

    From the sunday telegraph..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/04/09/mrma
    y09.xml&sSheet=/motoring/2005/04/09/ixmot.html

    As seen on TV: Get off your bike to save the world
    (Filed: 09/04/2005)

    Far from being an eco-friendly transport solution, bicycles simply encourage
    car ownership, argues James May

    "James May presents Top Gear". Nuff said?

    Do you have a rational counter-argument, or are you just suggesting
    that his links to Top Gear invalidate anything he may write?

  4. Agreeing with David Martin that it's an interesting and thoughtful take
    on the desire for personal mobility.

    On a related topic: does anybody know of any environmental audits of
    contemporary bikes and parts? It's troubling me that I have taken the
    bike as environmentally friendly as a settled issue - and yet, looking
    at the short-life span of many frames and components, the use of exotic
    materials, the costs of extraction, etc, and the number of air-miles
    travelled by bike parts before they become a complete bike, I am
    starting to wonder if that view needs some modification.

    Lin

  5. David Martin said:

    From the sunday telegraph..

    <most of James May's article snipped>

    On the other hand, buying a second-hand bike (and I suppose a second-hand
    car) ought to be better for the environment, since it would mean one less
    new machine being made from the raw material. Except of course mass
    production is rarely that flexible.

    The point he makes about bringing home a coffee table (or some other
    similarly large item) is interesting, because it's not something any one
    person does all that often, but lots of different people trying to do it at
    the same time. If home delivery was the stuff of a madman's dreams, what's
    the difference between sweating the coffee table home yourself on a great
    big bike trailer, and sweating big pieces of wood home yourself on a great
    big bike trailer to make the coffee table yourself? Perhaps James May would
    prefer specification of "Nope, sorry, home-delivery only" to stop people
    using their cars to do it themselves since the bike is out of the question
    and the bicycle means cars and cars ruin the environment.

    Now, I don't have a bike trailer and I happen to need to bring home a load
    of MDF sheets. Am I allowed to use my car or must I get B&Q to deliver it
    for me? The last time I cycled to B&Q I had to lock my bike to the fire
    escape handrail because of a lack of facilities at the store or anywhere
    nearby.

    Becky

  6. Lin said:

    Agreeing with David Martin that it's an interesting and thoughtful take
    on the desire for personal mobility.

    On a related topic: does anybody know of any environmental audits of
    contemporary bikes and parts? It's troubling me that I have taken the
    bike as environmentally friendly as a settled issue - and yet, looking
    at the short-life span of many frames and components, the use of exotic
    materials, the costs of extraction, etc, and the number of air-miles
    travelled by bike parts before they become a complete bike, I am
    starting to wonder if that view needs some modification.


    Weight for weight, probably worse than cars by a long shot. They're
    mostly made far away in Taiwan and joining methods like brazing use a
    lot more energy than spot-welding. There's also no recycling scheme for
    the parts at the end of their life.

    The best course of action is probably to buy a steel or titanium frame
    and keep it for life (of course, this is only possible when you're an
    adult).

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension) MTBs of any
    decent quality I see around. What happened to them all?

  7. David Martin said:

    From the sunday telegraph..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/04/09/mrma
    y09.xml&sSheet=/motoring/2005/04/09/ixmot.html

    As seen on TV: Get off your bike to save the world
    (Filed: 09/04/2005)

    Far from being an eco-friendly transport solution, bicycles simply encourage
    car ownership, argues James May

    "James May presents Top Gear". Nuff said?

    Jon

  8. Zog The Undeniable said:

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension) MTBs of any
    decent quality I see around. What happened to them all?

    Two of them - a Rockhopper and a Stumpjumper - live in my garage; the latter
    doing plenty of mileage these days. I was pleasantly surprised to see a
    black Stumpy of the same vintage as mine (1991 I think) at work the other
    day.

    I don't know what's happened to the rest of the good bikes either, either
    the Bike Station now has them all, or the really good ones remain in sheds
    because they're *vintage* and of course one can't risk messing up a classic
    bike. I haven't seen a Cindercone or a yellow Tufftrax for absolutely
    years.

    Becky

  9. Arellcat said:

    I haven't seen a Cindercone or a yellow Tufftrax for absolutely
    years.

    I haven't seen a rigid Cannondale - except mine - for nearly 10 years!

  10. Zog The Undeniable said:

    Weight for weight, probably worse than cars by a long shot. They're
    mostly made far away in Taiwan and joining methods like brazing use a
    lot more energy than spot-welding. There's also no recycling scheme for
    the parts at the end of their life.

    I'm not sure that it's that clear cut. How much of the same is true of a
    car? While the manufacturing may be closer to home, the raw materials
    are still transported from afar. The other point is that weight for
    weight, the bike would have to be seriously poor to not compete on a
    numerical scale. My bike weighs around 10kg. While this is on the
    lighter side (Or was when I bought it!), you could get at least 150 of
    them for the weight of one car. In overly simplistic terms that's 145
    fewer cars (assuming the car carried a full compliment of passengers),
    before the running costs are taken into account.

    Quoted message said:

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension) MTBs of any
    decent quality I see around. What happened to them all?

    We have a fair few in the Bike Station in Edinburgh. I suspect a large
    number are languishing in sheds up and down the country.

    Jon

  11. Al C-F said:

    Do you have a rational counter-argument, or are you just suggesting
    that his links to Top Gear invalidate anything he may write?

    Yes. His argument is based entirely on a set of assumptions from his own
    viewpoint. By the same reasoning, teaching children to walk, naturally
    leads to them coveting a car. I don't think that the social environment
    that he requires for his theory to hold water is as simple as he
    believes. I do think that in society as a whole there is an intense
    pressure on children to view cars as a necessity to freedom. This is
    demonstrated first hand by the restriction of mobility of the child
    unless supervised by an adult and moved by car. As an inherent part of
    growing up the association between travel and car is made.

    If he is truly one of the more rational members of the team then so be
    it, but it is extremely likely that his position as the presenter of a
    _motoring_ programme influences his rationale in argument. Just as my
    lack of car influences mine. Invalidate? No. Make me think twice before
    taking his word for it? Yes.

    Jon

  12. in message <[email hidden]>, Lin

    (') said:

    Agreeing with David Martin that it's an interesting and thoughtful
    take on the desire for personal mobility.

    On a related topic: does anybody know of any environmental audits of
    contemporary bikes and parts? It's troubling me that I have taken the
    bike as environmentally friendly as a settled issue - and yet, looking
    at the short-life span of many frames and components, the use of
    exotic materials, the costs of extraction, etc, and the number of
    air-miles travelled by bike parts before they become a complete bike,
    I am starting to wonder if that view needs some modification.

    Well, of course it needs careful consideration, particularly as we're
    often too ready to throw away parts which could be salvaged or
    cannibalised. Compared to walking, of course, bicycles are high tech
    and high energy input. But the energy input is quite modest when
    compared to any other form of personal transport, even if we consider
    the manufacturing cost only.

    If we were really serious about low energy input bikes, I suspect we'd
    see

    * more composite - or even wooden - frames and fewer metal ones
    * fewer aluminium chainrings and more steel ones
    * chains with considerably larger bearing surfaces for greatly improved
    service life
    * Probably more work on toothed belt or other non-chain transmissions

    Having said that, my partner still rides the Raleigh Royale my little
    sister bought 21 years ago, and it's about 95% original - it's had a
    new front wheel but only to fit a hub dynamo; it's had new chains; it's
    had new tyres, it's had new brake-levers. Bicycles with basic routine
    maintenance will go on and on for a very long time.

    And keeping a bike going is for definite much more environmentally
    friendly than throwing it out and buying a new one.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    <p>Schroedinger's cat is <blink><strong>NOT</strong></blink> dead.</p>

  13. Zog The Undeniable said:

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension)
    MTBs of any decent quality I see around. What happened
    to them all?

    I own most of them. Unfortunately I can only ride one at a time.

    James Thomson

  14. "Arellcat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Zog The Undeniable said:

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension) MTBs of any
    decent quality I see around. What happened to them all?

    Two of them - a Rockhopper and a Stumpjumper - live in my garage; the
    latter doing plenty of mileage these days. I was pleasantly surprised to
    see a black Stumpy of the same vintage as mine (1991 I think) at work the
    other day.

    I don't know what's happened to the rest of the good bikes either, either
    the Bike Station now has them all, or the really good ones remain in sheds
    because they're *vintage* and of course one can't risk messing up a
    classic bike. I haven't seen a Cindercone or a yellow Tufftrax for
    absolutely years.

    Becky


    I use my vintage 1987 Rockhopper to commute to work.

    Mark

    1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

  15. Zog The Undeniable said:

    I find it staggering how few "older" (without suspension) MTBs of any
    decent quality I see around. What happened to them all?

    In the case of my '86 Roockhooper, Pikeys.

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    You can't have ham!

  16. Lin said:

    Agreeing with David Martin that it's an interesting and thoughtful


    take

    Quoted message said:

    on the desire for personal mobility.

    Yes - first thought on reading the opening lines was "Oh no, here we go
    again..." but I can certainly relate to some of it, such as the desire
    to get into my parents' car as soon as I hit 17...

    Going back the other way now, and remembering why I have always loved
    cycling so much - if I needed to bring a table home from the shops,
    first thought would be: "Where can I get a bike trailer?"

    d.

  17. Jon Senior said:

    We have a fair few in the Bike Station in Edinburgh.

    And I took one of your old cro-moly machines and turned it into a cut
    down hub gear commuter. Recycling projects like the Bike Station do find
    new lives for some old machines. A bit like knackered old mondeos become
    hire cabs.

  18. stupot said:
    Jon Senior said:

    We have a fair few in the Bike Station in Edinburgh.

    And I took one of your old cro-moly machines and turned it into a cut
    down hub gear commuter. Recycling projects like the Bike Station do find
    new lives for some old machines. A bit like knackered old mondeos become
    hire cabs.

    Mike Burrows will even recyle your old washing machine parts into a bike.

    Tony

  19. Tony Raven said:

    Mike Burrows will even recyle your old washing machine parts into a bike.

    I've been thinking of building a pedal powered cultivator for the
    allotment.. Could be an entertaining project. Get my cycling and gardening
    done at the same time.

    ...d

  20. Tony Raven <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Mike Burrows will even recyle your old washing machine parts into a bike.

    s/Mike Burrow/Graeme Obree/

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