Why Armstrong will not be caught doping

Sadly, I would have to agree with this. Cycling needs Armstrong now more
than Armstrong needs cycling. Nailing Armstrong for doping could spell the
end of professional cycling and alot of related workforce.
In a similar paranoid vein, it might not be unreasonable to suggest that
USPS \ Armstrong have USADA and WADA on the payroll, to "look the other
way"...

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

The charges that folk at USADA could be bought is ludicrous. Now, [censored]
Pound is a whole different story although he has enough money that it would
take a boat load to pay him off.

Stop looking for conspiracies.

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Sadly, I would have to agree with this. Cycling needs Armstrong now more
than Armstrong needs cycling. Nailing Armstrong for doping could spell

the

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end of professional cycling and alot of related workforce.
In a similar paranoid vein, it might not be unreasonable to suggest that
USPS \ Armstrong have USADA and WADA on the payroll, to "look the other
way"...

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

The French Media are "obsessed" with doping since the Festina affair, not
only in cycling but in many sports. Let's say it is a sort of "broken dream
syndrom". I don't think they are particularly obsessed with Armstrong. You
just notice it more now because you're following the Tour de France and next
month you'll forget about the French and their so-called obsession. Anyway,
you can count on Jean-Marie Leblanc and the Tour organization to do their
best to protect Lance Armstrong from those allegations. I don't feel that
the people along the roads of the Tour are "obsessed" with it either. But
then maybe I'm biased. I'm French after all.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

I've read a lot of stupid threads lately, but this takes the cake. Keith
.... you must really be Oliver Stone. Why, if the tour needed so badly to
clean up its act after the 1998 fiasco, would they hitch their wagon to a
known doper (if you buy into the back-dated prescription [censored]).

Really ... this stuff gets more lame all the time. Only time will tell.

Bob C.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

Who do you suppose Keith is?

You assume two things here. First, you assume that the allegations that
there was a back-dated presription and that the organizers willingly helped
him cheat. I don't think that there is much evidence to support that claim.
The type and amount of drug detected would have no impact on performance.

Second, you assume that they would try to protect Armstrong to protect the
sport. However, they did no similar favors for Richard Virenque, arguably
the most popular cyclist in France, or Marco Pantani, Italy's favorite
cyclist and Tour winner.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending???

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:13:26 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

Who do you suppose Keith is?

Hey Kunich, how's the wife doing?

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:17:01 GMT, Todd Kuzma <[email hidden]>

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You assume two things here. First, you assume that the allegations that
there was a back-dated presription and that the organizers willingly helped
him cheat. I don't think that there is much evidence to support that claim.
The type and amount of drug detected would have no impact on performance.

That's not the point, he tested positive and hadn't cleared the use of
this "cream" with the TdF, that's enough to get you expelled. Now we
know from Emma that he had been taking the stuff during the Route du
Sud and thought it would be gone by the Route du Sud, it wasn't.

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Second, you assume that they would try to protect Armstrong to protect the
sport. However, they did no similar favors for Richard Virenque, arguably
the most popular cyclist in France, or Marco Pantani, Italy's favorite
cyclist and Tour winner.

Because they were caught red-handed, that's exactly my point, unless
you do something very stupid like getting caught with a truckload or
EPO or with a crit level above 50%, you're ok these days.

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Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending???

One thing is certain, you're not, as dumb as a gull, now please go
away.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

I've read a lot of stupid threads lately, but this takes the cake. Keith
... you must really be Oliver Stone. Why, if the tour needed so badly to
clean up its act after the 1998 fiasco, would they hitch their wagon to a
known doper (if you buy into the back-dated prescription [censored]).

They didn't have much of a choice after he tested positive in 1999,
they could probably have done without that and then he never got
caught, so they couldn't well kickhim out.

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Really ... this stuff gets more lame all the time. Only time will tell.

Again, I'm not saying he's a doper, I'm just saying that even if he
were a doper, chances he'd get caught (without doing something very
stupid) are virtually nil in light of the context.

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Bob C.

Man, why don't you guys get over it? Armstrong is clean. Real winners
don't do nor need drugs.

Ken

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

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Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

They just need an excuse. They are competitive and not winning.

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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004.

He didn't test positive. There were trace amounts of corticoids
found in an unofficial blood sample.

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In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis.

That last is why Armstrong took the medication.

-ilan

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The French Media are "obsessed" with doping since the Festina affair, not
only in cycling but in many sports. Let's say it is a sort of "broken dream
syndrom". I don't think they are particularly obsessed with Armstrong. You
just notice it more now because you're following the Tour de France and next
month you'll forget about the French and their so-called obsession. Anyway,
you can count on Jean-Marie Leblanc and the Tour organization to do their
best to protect Lance Armstrong from those allegations. I don't feel that
the people along the roads of the Tour are "obsessed" with it either. But
then maybe I'm biased. I'm French after all.

In L'Equipe, there are truly virulent attacks against Americans in Track
and Field. Yesterday, Marion Jones was described "as the last person to
hold up the honour, or rather dishonour of Balco labs", and such statements
appear there daily. Also, the reporters seem unable to distinguish between
"hard" drugs like steroids or EPO and "soft" drugs like ephedrin or other
stimulants found in non prescription drugs. To them, anyone who tested
positive is a doper. For example, I believe that they now lump together
Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson since it was revealed that the former tested
positive for some minor stimulant before the 1988 Olympics.

From what I've seen of French journalists, they smoke, are alcoholics,
and probably take all kinds of other drugs. I wonder to what extent
their lifestyle makes them interpret the rest of the world in terms
of drug abuse.

-ilan

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Subject: Re: Why Armstrong will not be caught doping

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The French Media are "obsessed" with doping since the Festina affair,

not

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only in cycling but in many sports. Let's say it is a sort of "broken

dream

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syndrom". I don't think they are particularly obsessed with Armstrong.

You

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just notice it more now because you're following the Tour de France and

next

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month you'll forget about the French and their so-called obsession.

Anyway,

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you can count on Jean-Marie Leblanc and the Tour organization to do

their

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best to protect Lance Armstrong from those allegations. I don't feel

that

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the people along the roads of the Tour are "obsessed" with it either.

But

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then maybe I'm biased. I'm French after all.

In L'Equipe, there are truly virulent attacks against Americans in Track
and Field. Yesterday, Marion Jones was described "as the last person to
hold up the honour, or rather dishonour of Balco labs", and such

statements

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appear there daily. Also, the reporters seem unable to distinguish between
"hard" drugs like steroids or EPO and "soft" drugs like ephedrin or other
stimulants found in non prescription drugs. To them, anyone who tested
positive is a doper. For example, I believe that they now lump together
Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson since it was revealed that the former tested
positive for some minor stimulant before the 1988 Olympics.

From what I've seen of French journalists, they smoke, are alcoholics,
and probably take all kinds of other drugs. I wonder to what extent
their lifestyle makes them interpret the rest of the world in terms
of drug abuse.

-ilan

You must have seen quite a number of French journalists to dare such a
generalization. French, as many other Europeans do smoke much more than the
American. That's as far as I can go in term of generalization. Well first
you won't hear a word about doping in the Tour on France 2 and Eurosport (I
love Fignon's blunt comments on the race). L'Equipe was until recently
accused of covering up what they knew about doping and not doing enough
about it (Le groupe Amaury is linked the Tour organization)

As for Americans in Track and Field, the situation is worisome for everyone
it seems ( a doper a day during the actual selections, 18 gold medals at the
last olympics stained by the Balco scandal). It is big news everywhere. And
l'Equipe is just one of numerous International medias. Just before the
opening of the Balco trial, didn't President Bush stated himself that it was
necessary to clean up sport from doping and to clean up the American
delegation to Athens as well.

It also seems to me that for L'Equipe, Carl Lewis is Saint to be put to the
right of Jesus. They certainly don't compare him to Ben Johnson what ever he
took. Anyone who saw Lewis running saw an immaculate technique and someone
so light he seemed he could run on water. Yet anyone who saw Michael Johnson
is still wondering how that guy could run that fast with such a terrible
technique.
About Ben Jonhson, it is still awful to see what he had to go through and
compare it to Virenque's fate.

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"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen as
the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting EPO
by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or not.

Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

The French Media are "obsessed" with doping since the Festina affair, not
only in cycling but in many sports. Let's say it is a sort of "broken

dream

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syndrom". I don't think they are particularly obsessed with Armstrong. You
just notice it more now because you're following the Tour de France and

next

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month you'll forget about the French and their so-called obsession.

Anyway,

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you can count on Jean-Marie Leblanc and the Tour organization to do their
best to protect Lance Armstrong from those allegations. I don't feel that
the people along the roads of the Tour are "obsessed" with it either. But
then maybe I'm biased. I'm French after all.

The single biggest selling issue of L'Equipe was the Festine doping scandal.
Journalists learned their lesson.

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> What saved him in 1999 (a backdated prescription after he tested
> positive) has been multiplied by x100 in 2004. In 1999, he was seen

as

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> the TdF organizers as a chance to start from scratch with a cancer
> survivor after the 1998 annus horribilis. One can only imagine the
> consequences of revealing a positive test in 2004 - that would
> probably mean the end of the TdF! So unless he's caught injecting

EPO

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> by a crew of France 3 or snorting coke with Sheryl, it's safe to
> assume he won't get caught, regardless of whether he's a doper or

not.

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Then why are the French so obsessed with it?

The French Media are "obsessed" with doping since the Festina affair,

not

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only in cycling but in many sports. Let's say it is a sort of "broken

dream

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syndrom". I don't think they are particularly obsessed with Armstrong.

You

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just notice it more now because you're following the Tour de France and

next

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month you'll forget about the French and their so-called obsession.

Anyway,

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you can count on Jean-Marie Leblanc and the Tour organization to do

their

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best to protect Lance Armstrong from those allegations. I don't feel

that

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the people along the roads of the Tour are "obsessed" with it either.

But

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then maybe I'm biased. I'm French after all.

The single biggest selling issue of L'Equipe was the Festine doping

scandal.

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Journalists learned their lesson.

Was it? I'm pretty sure the biggest selling issue of L'Equipe was the
French team's victory in the football world cup. Plus there would many many
other events which would be a bestseller. Anyway it has to be football
(soccer) related to be a best seller.