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  1. Subject basically says it all.

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when riding
    hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem. Tue,
    vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant. I *can* ride hands-off without
    vibration if I keep the ride absolutely smooth but as soon as I pedal or
    hit the slightest bump, it starts.

    I'm strongly considering replacing the fork for other reasons, would that
    be likely to fix this too?

    Thanks,
    Mark

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  2. Mark Mitchell <[email hidden]> wrote in news:k9z8d.106103
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    Quoted message said:

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when riding
    hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem. Tue,
    vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant.

    Is your headset loose?

  3. Ken said:

    Mark Mitchell <[email hidden]> wrote in news:k9z8d.106103
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when riding
    hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem. Tue,
    vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant.

    Is your headset loose?

    I don't think so. I'd thought of that, tested by holding the front wheel
    between my legs, locking the front brake and wiggling forward and back,
    looking for play.

    Nothing.

    If that's not the way to be sure, then I don't know.

    Mark

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  4. Mark Mitchell said:

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when
    riding hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem.
    Tue, vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant. I *can* ride
    hands-off without vibration if I keep the ride absolutely smooth but
    as soon as I pedal or hit the slightest bump, it starts.

    If I understand your description, this is shimmy, an oscillation of
    the front wheel at about shivering frequency. How long have you
    ridden this bicycle in a similar fashion with no shimmy?

    Quoted message said:

    I'm strongly considering replacing the fork for other reasons, would
    that be likely to fix this too?

    How tall are you? The distance between saddle, pedals, and front
    wheel ground contact have an effect on incidence of shimmy.

    Subject: 8h.5 Shimmy or Speed Wobble
    From: Jobst Brandt <[email hidden]>
    Date: Mon, 25 June 2004 14:13:14 PDT

    Shimmy, a spontaneous steering oscillation of the front wheel, usually
    occurs at a predictable speed when riding no-hands. The likelihood of
    shimmy is greatest when the only rider-to-bicycle contact is at the
    saddle and pedals. This position gives the least damping by hands,
    arms, and legs. When shimmy occurs on descents, with hands on the
    bars, it is highly disconcerting because the most common rider
    response, of gripping the bars firmly, only increases it.

    Shimmy is not related to frame alignment or loose bearings, as is
    often claimed. Shimmy results from dynamics of front wheel rotation,
    mass of the handlebars, elasticity of the frame, and where the rider
    contacts the bicycle. Both perfectly aligned bicycles and ones with
    wheels out of plane to one another shimmy nearly equally well. It is
    as likely with properly adjusted bearings as loose ones. The idea
    that shimmy is related to bearing adjustment or alignment has been
    established by repetition.

    Bicycle shimmy is the lateral oscillation of the head tube about the
    road contact point of the front wheel and depends largely on frame
    geometry and the elasticity of the top and down tubes. It is driven
    by gyroscopic forces of the front wheel, making it largely speed
    dependent. It cannot be fixed by adjustments because it is inherent
    to the geometry and elasticity of the bicycle frame. The longer the
    frame and the higher the saddle, the greater the tendency to shimmy,
    other things being equal. Weight distribution also has no effect on
    shimmy although where that weight contacts the frame does. Bicycle
    shimmy is unchanged when riding no-hands, whether leaning forward or

    Shimmy requires a spring and a mass about which to oscillate and these
    are furnished by the frame and seated rider. Unloading the saddle
    (without standing up) will stop shimmy. Pedaling or rough road will
    also reduce the tendency to shimmy. In contrast, coasting no-hands
    downhill on a smooth road at more than 20mph with the cranks vertical
    seems to be the most shimmy prone condition.

    When coasting no-hands, laying one leg against the top tube is the
    most common way to inhibit shimmy and also one of the most common ways
    to coast no-hands. Compliant tread of knobby tires usually have
    sufficient squirming damping to suppress shimmy. Weight of the
    handlebar and its extension from of the steering axis also affects
    shimmy.

    Shimmy is caused by the gyroscopic force of the front wheel whose tilt
    is roughly at right angles to the steering axis, making the wheel
    steer to the left when it leans to the left. This steering action
    twists the toptube and downtube, storing energy that both limits
    travel and causes a return swing. Trail (caster) of the fork acts on
    the wheel to limit these excursions and return them toward center.

    Shimmy that concerns riders the most occurs with hands firmly on the
    bars and it is rider generated by muscular effect whose natural
    response is the same as the shimmy frequency, about that of Human
    shivering. Descending in cold weather can be difficult for this
    reason. The rider's "death grip" only enhances the incidence of
    shimmy in this situation. Loosely holding the bars between thumb and
    forefinger is a way of avoiding shimmy when cold.

    ------------------------------
    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

  5. Quoted message said:
    Mark Mitchell said:

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when
    riding hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem.
    Tue, vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant. I *can* ride
    hands-off without vibration if I keep the ride absolutely smooth but
    as soon as I pedal or hit the slightest bump, it starts.

    If I understand your description, this is shimmy, an oscillation of
    the front wheel at about shivering frequency. How long have you
    ridden this bicycle in a similar fashion with no shimmy?


    I've owned the bike for approx 5yrs, but if I had to guess, I'd say in that
    time I've put maybe 1500 miles on it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm strongly considering replacing the fork for other reasons, would
    that be likely to fix this too?

    How tall are you? The distance between saddle, pedals, and front
    wheel ground contact have an effect on incidence of shimmy.


    I'm 5'6" on a 42cm Trek 6000.

    The bike is basically stock. I've added a rear rack, cheap bike computer,
    front and rear lights and rear fender. The onset of the shimmy was not
    associated with any parts changes on the bike. The load on the rack
    doesn't seem to be associated in any way with the shimmy.

    <snip>

    On reading your article, the only thing that jumps out at me as relevant is
    cold.

    Is it possible that colder weather can change the elasticity of the frame
    in such a way as to allow a shimmy below 40-50 and not above.

    I noticed riding home today in 60-65 degree weather that it had a barely
    perceptible tendancy to wiggle.

    Hope that's not the case, I'd planned on riding this bike through as much
    of a MN winter as possible.

    Mark

  6. This exact problem happend to me. I found jobst brant explanation to
    be precise. My solution was new bike frame. My problem seemed to get
    worse after a couple of weeks. Apparently this happens more frequently
    to larger riders. Good luck.

  7. Mark Mitchell said:
    Quoted message said:
    Mark Mitchell said:

    About a week ago, my handlebars suddenly started vibrating when
    riding hands-free. This happened overnight. Rode Mon, no problem.
    Tue, vibration. Speed seems to be irrelevant. I *can* ride
    hands-off without vibration if I keep the ride absolutely smooth but
    as soon as I pedal or hit the slightest bump, it starts.

    If I understand your description, this is shimmy, an oscillation of
    the front wheel at about shivering frequency. How long have you
    ridden this bicycle in a similar fashion with no shimmy?


    I've owned the bike for approx 5yrs, but if I had to guess, I'd say in that
    time I've put maybe 1500 miles on it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm strongly considering replacing the fork for other reasons, would
    that be likely to fix this too?

    How tall are you? The distance between saddle, pedals, and front
    wheel ground contact have an effect on incidence of shimmy.


    I'm 5'6" on a 42cm Trek 6000.

    The bike is basically stock. I've added a rear rack, cheap bike computer,
    front and rear lights and rear fender. The onset of the shimmy was not
    associated with any parts changes on the bike. The load on the rack
    doesn't seem to be associated in any way with the shimmy.

    <snip>

    On reading your article, the only thing that jumps out at me as relevant is
    cold.

    Is it possible that colder weather can change the elasticity of the frame
    in such a way as to allow a shimmy below 40-50 and not above.

    I noticed riding home today in 60-65 degree weather that it had a barely
    perceptible tendancy to wiggle.

    Hope that's not the case, I'd planned on riding this bike through as much
    of a MN winter as possible.

    Mark

    If you do plan to ride through the winter, I'd suggest a change to a
    different tire, as the differing mass can change or eliminate the
    shimmy. Perhaps some cross tires to take advantage of the knobby
    squirm which Jobst points out supresses shimmy.

    I have a commuter/mountain bike with 3 sets of wheels/tires- shimmies
    with one set, not at all woth the others.

  8. Mark Mitchell said:

    I'm 5'6" on a 42cm Trek 6000.

    That is not in the range where shimmy becomes more pronounced. With
    my height, over 6' 5" all the bicycles I have owned have shimmied
    reliably if I let them, although they had also coasted (hands on stem)
    stably at up to 60mph. That was my reason for asking.

    Quoted message said:

    The bike is basically stock. I've added a rear rack, cheap bike
    computer, front and rear lights and rear fender. The onset of the
    shimmy was not associated with any parts changes on the bike. The
    load on the rack doesn't seem to be associated in any way with the
    shimmy.

    I just wondered whether there was any event or change that might
    influence the bicycle's stability.

    Quoted message said:

    On reading your article, the only thing that jumps out at me as
    relevant is cold.

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible that colder weather can change the elasticity of the
    frame in such a way as to allow a shimmy below 40-50 and not above.

    Metals do not change elasticity in that range and what they do is so
    small as to be immaterial to frame elasticity. For metals -30F is
    cold. Avoid riding in such weather for your own well being. Frost
    bite is a permanent injury.

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed riding home today in 60-65 degree weather that it had a
    barely perceptible tendency to wiggle. Hope that's not the case,
    I'd planned on riding this bike through as much of a MN winter as
    possible.

    Not to worry, it is the riders response that can enhance shimmy in
    cold weather, not that of the bicycle. The way you describe it, I
    can't imagine what causes your bicycle to shimmy now and not
    previously.

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

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