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  1. The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant, but often pursue an
    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually measured
    by results.

  2. "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

  3. Thanks for your enlightened post. I'm sure it will help those many people
    who come to misc.health.alternative looking for alternative therapies.

    You epitomize why they don't trust the medical establishment in ever growing
    numbers.
    Thanks.

    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant, but often pursue


    an

    Quoted message said:

    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually


    measured

    Quoted message said:

    by results.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/2004 8:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    of course spamming Dave missed the point

    he said

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your enlightened post. I'm sure it will help those many people
    who come to misc.health.alternative looking for alternative therapies.

    You epitomize why they don't trust the medical establishment in ever growing
    numbers.

    Henry said

    Quoted message said:

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,

    Quoted message said:

    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    ie...one doesn't need alternative EITHER...

    at least for the self limiting things

    hawki.....

  5. "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

    What have you done for your country?

  6. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your enlightened post. I'm sure it will help those many people
    who come to misc.health.alternative looking for alternative therapies.

    Yes, it will alert them, hopefully, to the spamming charlatans.

    Quoted message said:

    You epitomize why they don't trust the medical establishment in ever


    growing

    Quoted message said:

    numbers.
    Thanks.

    Ever growing? Like toxic mold?

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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant, but often pursue


    an

    Quoted message said:

    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually


    measured

    Quoted message said:

    by results.

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    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

    What have you done for your country?

    Med(S)tools has lowered its standards.

  8. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/2004 8:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    of course spamming Dave missed the point

    You define stupidity.

    Quoted message said:

    he said

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your enlightened post. I'm sure it will help those many people
    who come to misc.health.alternative looking for alternative therapies.

    You epitomize why they don't trust the medical establishment in ever


    growing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    numbers.

    Henry said

    Quoted message said:

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,

    Quoted message said:

    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    ie...one doesn't need alternative EITHER...

    at least for the self limiting things

    hawki.....

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "Henry" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/2004 6:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    Without medication,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quoted message said:

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials.

    Same could be said of any kind of conventional medicine.

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    Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Well, no, the reason people are turning to alternative medicine, is the many
    unanswered health problems. The little black receipe book is limited to what is
    endorsed by organized medicine.

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    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Alterantive is growing because conv. has no answers.

    Quoted message said:

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant,

    righto, anyone who uses alternative medicine is stupid.

    Quoted message said:

    but often pursue an
    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually measured
    by results.

    Wrong, wrong and wrong.

    RESULTS is WHY people chose alternative.

    Do tell us WHAT you would do if you had been to many conventional doctors and
    they had no answers?????

    You see, personal experience knows the answer to this, it is clear you don't.

    http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html

    Jan

  10. One must admire the remarkable perspective of Jan's response to my original
    post.

    First, I meant what I said: the vast majority of human ills and injuries
    heal spontaneously, and will permit this addendum: "without medication or
    ANY medical care". However, I must also add that those conditions which are
    unlikely to resolve spontaneously will sometimes spiral into disability or
    even mortality, and to diagnose such conditions requires skill that is not
    taught outside of medical school. Further, I will add that those which don't
    resolve spontaneously are likelier to be healed by conventional medicine
    than by quackery.

    Jan refers to "organized medicine". Presumably the obverse of Jan's coin is
    "dis-organized" medicine, and with that I agree.

    Jan says: alternative medicine is growing because conventional medicine has
    no answers. She's right, of course. But alternative medicine doesn't sell
    answers - it sells hope. There's a great deal of money to be made offering
    hope to those suffering from conditions - real or imaginary - for which
    there are no cures in medical science. But offering hope to terminally ill
    people doesn't last; there's even more profit to be made offering the hope
    of prevention to healthy people. As an example, to those who send me $25
    each month, I will gladly mail a supplement that I hope will prevent [name
    the disease]. And if it fails, your money will be cheerfully (!) refunded.

    When I pointed out that those using alternative medicine are "ignorant", Jan
    said they're "stupid". Well, those terms are interchangeable only among
    those with very restricted vocabularies. I really meant ignorant. As a
    perfect example, you're certainly not stupid, Jan, but you're incredibly
    ignorant. Look it up.

    Henry

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "Henry" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/2004 6:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    Without medication,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quoted message said:

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials.

    Same could be said of any kind of conventional medicine.

    Quoted message said:

    Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Well, no, the reason people are turning to alternative medicine, is the


    many

    Quoted message said:

    unanswered health problems. The little black receipe book is limited to


    what is

    Quoted message said:

    endorsed by organized medicine.

    Quoted message said:

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Alterantive is growing because conv. has no answers.

    Quoted message said:

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant,

    righto, anyone who uses alternative medicine is stupid.

    Quoted message said:

    but often pursue an
    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually


    measured

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    by results.

    Wrong, wrong and wrong.

    RESULTS is WHY people chose alternative.

    Do tell us WHAT you would do if you had been to many conventional doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:

    they had no answers?????

    You see, personal experience knows the answer to this, it is clear you


    don't.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html

    Jan

  11. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/2004 8:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    of course spamming Dave missed the point

    You define stupidity.

    OK, I will define stupidity:

    David Wickware.

  12. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 12, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

    What have you done for your country?


    Mark, how many years did you put in the military? Where? When? Why? or
    not...........

  13. "Vitamins are Chemicals" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.


    ilsa's momma was a jarhead.

  14. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 12, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >Subject: Re: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    >From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    >Date: 5/12/2004 8:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >

    of course spamming Dave missed the point

    You define stupidity.

    OK, I define stupidity:

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    "Vitamins are Chemicals" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    > jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

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    ilsa's momma was a jarhead.

    Tool's mother was a hampster and his father reeked of elderberries.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Henry said:

    The vast majority of human ills and injuries heal spontaneously.

    If a medical problem is "treated" with naturopathy, homeopathy,
    chiropractic, etc., the practitioners of such frauds take credit when
    healing occurs, and the result is a growing and glowing list of
    testimonials. Problems that do not heal spontaneously generate few
    contra-testimonials, usually because of death.

    Alternative medicine "therapies" dissipate two critically important
    resources of the afflicted: time and money.

    Proponents of such therapies are usually just ignorant, but often pursue an
    agenda of greed - seeking some combination of personal wealth and
    recognition that would be unachievable when performance is actually measured
    by results.

    Even for diseases which don't heal spontaneously, such as cancer,
    testimonials are misleading. What breast cancer patients who forego
    adjuvant chemotherapy and radiation after their surgery and then
    attribute their survival to "alternative" therapies don't tell you is
    that most early stage cancers are cured with surgery alone. Chemotherapy
    and radiation reduce the risk of recurrence, but the chance of survival
    with surgery alone is still pretty good. Even intermediate stage tumors
    have a reasonable (albeit much smaller) chance of being cured with
    surgery alone. Consequently, the "cure" described by these testimonials
    was the surgery, not the alternative treatment.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Thanks for your enlightened post. I'm sure it will help those many people
    who come to misc.health.alternative looking for alternative therapies.

    One can only hope so. Henry's observations were right on.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Why alternative medicine "works"...
    From: "HLE" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/12/04 5:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    First, I meant what I said: the vast majority of human ills and injuries
    heal spontaneously, and will permit this addendum: "without medication or
    ANY medical care".

    That is correct. We do not experience disease. What we experience is
    dis-ease. The body can handle that without the heroic poisoning of the MDs,
    provided we work with the body and let it do what only it can do.

    Quoted message said:

    However, I must also add that those conditions which are
    unlikely to resolve spontaneously will sometimes spiral into disability or
    even mortality, and to diagnose such conditions requires skill that is not
    taught outside of medical school.

    Who says that the knowledge gained in the study of osteopathy, naturopathy, and
    even chiropractic lies outside the knowledge gained in the monopoly called
    medical school? Your dogma speaks only for the medical monopoly that kills
    hundreds of thousands of patients in the US yearly.

    Quoted message said:

    Further, I will add that those which don't
    resolve spontaneously are likelier to be healed by conventional medicine
    than by quackery.

    The actual results are exactly opposite to those for which you contend.
    You cannot poison the sick into getting well. You can, however, kill them.
    This is all the allopaths can attempt to do, and you have the temerity to
    defend their butchery.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan refers to "organized medicine".

    It is better termed a monopoly. A monopoly that began circa 1910 and was
    started by the Carnegie's and Rockefellers.

    Quoted message said:

    But alternative medicine doesn't sell
    answers - it sells hope.

    And what does allopathy require? It demands obedience. You must believe. You
    must pay with your obedience, your money, your body parts, and even your life.
    More like a religion. A religion based upon the lies of the great deciever.

    Quoted message said:

    There's a great deal of money to be made offering
    hope to those suffering from conditions - real or imaginary - for which
    there are no cures in medical science.

    Odd you should say that. Modern, monopolistic medicine, offers no cures. It
    offers only treatments. You get to keep your disease, and have to learn to
    live with the side effects of your treatment. And for only what
    now...1,600,000,000,000 dollars a year in the US alone. Now who is making a
    great deal of money?

    Quoted message said:

    But offering hope to terminally ill
    people doesn't last; there's even more profit to be made offering the hope
    of prevention to healthy people.

    And just how much money does medicine generate each year for the next great
    cure, which never materializes? How many billions are generated for bogus
    medicical research?

    Are you just gullible, stupid, or another paid lacky of the monopoly?

    DrC PhD

  19. "So many folks..."?
    Speak for yourself.

    Regarding stupidity and gullibility, it's you that pays for pseudomedical
    quackery based more upon wishful thinking than replicable science. The
    typical Marine gets those shots, runs those miles, spends 50% of the day in
    class, and fights World War IV: "Islam Against the West - 732AD revisited".
    Most people consider jarheads as the worst thing that ever happened to the
    enemies of our country. Your future and that of your progeny depend upon
    these "stupid" and "gullible" young men and women, who usually leave the
    service to run companies, and people like you.

    Isn't this a great place to have these little chats? Jan wondered why I
    leaped in with my "first post". Hah! I've been laughing at Jan and her ilk
    (especially at her ilk - have you ever sniffed that silly thing?) for
    years - and even wasted electrons more than once illuminating her ignorance
    (not stupidity, Jan, never that). In fact, last year I taught a class in
    which I used some of Jan's posts as hilarious examples of...
    <never mind>

    Henry

    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

  20. Ritalin may help you slow down and post intelligently.

    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "So many folks..."?
    Speak for yourself.

    Regarding stupidity and gullibility, it's you that pays for pseudomedical
    quackery based more upon wishful thinking than replicable science. The
    typical Marine gets those shots, runs those miles, spends 50% of the day


    in

    Quoted message said:

    class, and fights World War IV: "Islam Against the West - 732AD


    revisited".

    Quoted message said:

    Most people consider jarheads as the worst thing that ever happened to the
    enemies of our country. Your future and that of your progeny depend upon
    these "stupid" and "gullible" young men and women, who usually leave the
    service to run companies, and people like you.

    Isn't this a great place to have these little chats? Jan wondered why I
    leaped in with my "first post". Hah! I've been laughing at Jan and her ilk
    (especially at her ilk - have you ever sniffed that silly thing?) for
    years - and even wasted electrons more than once illuminating her


    ignorance

    Quoted message said:

    (not stupidity, Jan, never that). In fact, last year I taught a class in
    which I used some of Jan's posts as hilarious examples of...
    <never mind>

    Henry

    "thisisfun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Henry, you make it very easy to understand why so many folks consider
    jarheads the most stupid and gullible of all people.

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