Who sanctioned this?

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2006/mar06/staziocrit1_06

Is this ACA? In either case, someone sanctioned it, so do they not
uphold doping offenses?

Tyler raced in a fundraising event for the Tyler Hamilton Foundation.
Whoa - major scandal.

No, the best part is that little kiddo participants were awarded medals
from the THF that read "I Believe."

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2006/mar06/staziocrit1_06

Is this ACA? In either case, someone sanctioned it, so do they not
uphold doping offenses?

C'mon, you've got to do better if you want us to fall for your troll.
You're in Boulder and you want us to believe you AREN'T fully aware of
the situation regarding the promotion of the Stazio crit series?????

Puhleeze!

Fred

Bill C said:

Hunter wrote:

Quoted message said:

BTW USAC is hitting non-competitive kids races for $2 per kid, and
that looks like it's going to kill a lot of stuff here unless we can
find sponsors to cover it, while they are subsidizing elite athletes.
Once again they care about big time press and and future Tour winners,
and screw building a base.

isn't USAC run by members ? why don't you do something aboutit instead
of [censored] on rbr ? i know that we worked with our governing body to
get the kind of insurance and sanctions that suit what we were doing,
rather then the gov. body imagining what the possible scenarios are and
asking that we fit one of those criteria. of course we have to make
some compromises, because we realize there has to be liability
insurance and it will have a cost and sometimes we'll have to do a bit
more work to see that we meet the insurance guidelines.

Quoted message said:

"Why the hell can't these kids pay $2 a head for
the privilege of racing?"

actually, that's a fair question. it depends on what's being offered.
if you're talking about a kid's race which is a little ad-hoc ride
during between the mens and women's crit on raceday, it's a good thing,
but you're not offering a lot, and even the $2 per might be hard to
raise or unjustified.

but if you are running a program the way other sports do (soccer,
hockey, little league, gymnastics), well people pay a lot of money to
put their kids into those activities, so it's fair for a cycling
program to do the same if they can offer a real program. you're going
to need that money if you're going to have staff and facilities and
whatever it takes to have a real program.

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

Hunter wrote:

Quoted message said:

BTW USAC is hitting non-competitive kids races for $2 per kid, and
that looks like it's going to kill a lot of stuff here unless we can
find sponsors to cover it, while they are subsidizing elite athletes.
Once again they care about big time press and and future Tour winners,
and screw building a base.

isn't USAC run by members ? why don't you do something aboutit instead
of [censored] on rbr ? i know that we worked with our governing body to
get the kind of insurance and sanctions that suit what we were doing,
rather then the gov. body imagining what the possible scenarios are and
asking that we fit one of those criteria. of course we have to make
some compromises, because we realize there has to be liability
insurance and it will have a cost and sometimes we'll have to do a bit
more work to see that we meet the insurance guidelines.

Quoted message said:

"Why the hell can't these kids pay $2 a head for
the privilege of racing?"

actually, that's a fair question. it depends on what's being offered.
if you're talking about a kid's race which is a little ad-hoc ride
during between the mens and women's crit on raceday, it's a good thing,
but you're not offering a lot, and even the $2 per might be hard to
raise or unjustified.

but if you are running a program the way other sports do (soccer,
hockey, little league, gymnastics), well people pay a lot of money to
put their kids into those activities, so it's fair for a cycling
program to do the same if they can offer a real program. you're going
to need that money if you're going to have staff and facilities and
whatever it takes to have a real program.

Trust me, we've made our case over and over. We were basically told to
drop it at a recent meeting when most of the people who do kids races
here in New England were raising questions. We've been talking to
Colorado for the last few years. What we've gotten is that they aren't
willing to put $1 out there for grassroots childrens racing. They'll
help with elite juniors scholarships but wont give $1 single dollar to
bring kids into the sport. I'm probably going to catch [censored] for this
from them, but it is what it is.
We run a weekly summer series with races from tricycle/carriage up to
age 10 with medals, mechanics, bike checks, safety information and
everything is based on providing a safe, positive cycling experience.
We have loaner bikes, helmets, etc... and get a lot of walk-up kids who
use them. We have had to fight long and hard, and jump through amazing
hoops in each school district just to get them to let us distribute
flyers for a free series. Cycling is below curling on their scale of
events. There's almost no chance that you are going to get anyone but
the kids of already committed cyclists to pay to do a grass crit on a
weekly basis. That would keep the sport nice and elite, which seems to
be the way most people want it. I want to see every kids who rides his
bike fast for any reason to have the experience of racing in a safe,
environment, without having to invest hundreds, or thousands of dollars
to do it. USAC doesn't help kids find affordable road bikes, we have
almost no good races for 10-14 type kids, there's just no good way into
the sport for young riders, and USAC wont cut anybody who's trying to
get kids involved any slack. They are concerned with the elite only.
The multiple series here in the area intorduced a couple of thousand
kids to bicycle racing. Right now it looks like all of them are going
to fold unless we can get help from people outside USAC because they
wont help.
Bill C

Bill C

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2006/mar06/staziocrit1_06

Is this ACA? In either case, someone sanctioned it, so do they not
uphold doping offenses?

Why do you assume that someone sanctioned it? ACA wasn't involved and
they do uphold USAC suspensions. That wasn't always the case but it is
now.

Bret

Bill C said:

We've been talking to Colorado for the last few years.

Maybe you should talk to the other Colorado some time. The one where
juniors race free and attend free camps (road and cross).

Bret

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2006/mar06/staziocrit1_06

Is this ACA? In either case, someone sanctioned it, so do they not
uphold doping offenses?

American Sled Dog Association.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2006/mar06/staziocrit1_06

Is this ACA? In either case, someone sanctioned it, so do they not
uphold doping offenses?

C'mon, you've got to do better if you want us to fall for your troll.
You're in Boulder and you want us to believe you AREN'T fully aware of
the situation regarding the promotion of the Stazio crit series?????

Puhleeze!

Puhleeze. The whole thing including the cyclingnews item
is obviously a troll. Forget the shady sanctioning - you
expect us to believe Tyler stayed upright throughout an
entire American-style crit?

But Bill that's the way its always been, "Scraping the cream of cream
off the top". Has USAC ever gotten it? Not a chance. I've given the
the benefit of the doubt over the years and did so again and every time
it's the same old [censored]. When I brought up bringing a team over to
Europe to race I was told it would be better if they came out to Super
Week to try to qualify for the World's team.

The fact is the only way grassroots will work is with organizations and
associations that have it ingrained in them, like ACA and OBRA. Every
year something costs more and it's always because of insurance, which
is also [censored]. Too bad more regions didn't break off, but more
often they just roll over.

CH

That's the way it should be. How does ACA keep its costs down?

Quoted message said:

That's the way it should be. How does ACA keep its costs down?

The current newsletter has details of inome and expenses on page 6:

http://www.americancycling.org/info/news/Newsletters/2006/march06.pdf

Bret

In article <[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

isn't USAC run by members ?

I think a few years back the members got screwed over by the powers in
charge. They took away most of the members rights. So now it is much
harder for anyone to do anything.
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Alex

I doubt we could obtai such documents. It might be interesting to try.

CH

Quoted message said:

I doubt we could obtai such documents. It might be interesting to try.

CH

They've posted the overall accounting info, as they're required to by
law. Why would you assume they wouldn't provide the detailed documents
(as they would also be required by law to provide, should you submit a
formal request)???

THF contacts ACA, lets us know that tha Man tryna crack back on TH:

"This wonderful charity series has become somewhat controversial in the
days since. Media reports promoting the success of the event prompted
the international governing body for cycling, the UCI, to contact the
event organizers and inform them that they would enforce the following
rule that prohibits UCI licensed professionals from participating in
the event:

Rule 1.2.019 : No License holder may participate in an event that has
not been included on a national, continental, or world calendar or that
has not been recognized by a national federation, a continental
confederation or the UCI. A national federation may grant special
exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country. "

Hunter said:

THF contacts ACA, lets us know that tha Man tryna crack back on TH:

"This wonderful charity series has become somewhat controversial in the
days since. Media reports promoting the success of the event prompted
the international governing body for cycling, the UCI, to contact the
event organizers and inform them that they would enforce the following
rule that prohibits UCI licensed professionals from participating in
the event:

Rule 1.2.019 : No License holder may participate in an event that has
not been included on a national, continental, or world calendar or that
has not been recognized by a national federation, a continental
confederation or the UCI. A national federation may grant special
exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country. "

More on this here:
http://www.tetoncycling.com/forum/display_message.asp?mid=7548

Hunter said:

THF contacts ACA, lets us know that tha Man tryna crack back on TH:

"This wonderful charity series has become somewhat controversial in the
days since. Media reports promoting the success of the event prompted
the international governing body for cycling, the UCI, to contact the
event organizers and inform them that they would enforce the following
rule that prohibits UCI licensed professionals from participating in
the event:

Rule 1.2.019 : No License holder may participate in an event that has
not been included on a national, continental, or world calendar or that
has not been recognized by a national federation, a continental
confederation or the UCI. A national federation may grant special
exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country. "

Is Tyler holding a UCI license? I thought he was suspended. Do you
have to take out a UCI license even when you're suspended? That's
awfully Sopranos-esque: you can't just quit the life and move to
Colorado.

I bet they couldn't get Tyler on this or the race, but were [censored]
about him racing, so they went the backdoor trying to threaten other
pros.

CH