Who's the sprinter?

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's obvious
who the designated sprinter is. But what about teams that
have more than one option? Who gets the leadout between
the following (assuming both have good legs at the end of
the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?..... Kirsipu
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon?.......Hushovd QSD Boonen or
Paolini?..............Boonen, Paolini is last leadout

Dave

trg said:

QSD Boonen or Paolini?

Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the guy 🙂

Paolini will be leading out Boonen.

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's obvious
who the designated sprinter is. But what about teams that
have more than one option? Who gets the leadout between
the following (assuming both have good legs at the end of
the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?

- or also Stefano Zanini on QSD, who won on the Champs
Elysées in 2000.

And on Cofidis, Stuart O'Grady or Jimmy Casper? This seems
to be an almost exclusively French problem...

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Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the guy 🙂

Absolutely.

-Sonarrat.

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's obvious
who the designated sprinter is. But what about teams that
have more than one option? Who gets the leadout between
the following (assuming both have good legs at the end of
the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?

Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the guy 🙂

I doubt Domina Vacanze controls the peloton in the Tour as
they did in the Giro. Patacchi's wheel is likely not where
you'll find the sprinters. Kirsipuu, Hushovd, and Boonen are
likely the first option for their respective team.

Roland

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's obvious
who the designated sprinter is. But what about teams
that have more than one option? Who gets the leadout
between the following (assuming both have good legs at
the end of the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?

Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the
guy 🙂

I doubt Domina Vacanze controls the peloton in the Tour as
they did in the Giro.

What year are you talking about? DV didn't control anything
in the 2004 Giro.

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Patacchi's wheel is likely not where you'll find the
sprinters.

Really? Who else tries to get there?

-WG

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Patacchi's wheel is likely not where you'll find the
sprinters.

Really? Who else tries to get there?

-WG

Anyone who wants to finish 2nd.

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's obvious
who the designated sprinter is. But what about teams that
have more than one option? Who gets the leadout between
the following (assuming both have good legs at the end of
the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?

Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the guy 🙂

Why do you ask the question about Boonen or Paolini? Isn't
it pretty obvious? Boonen ofcourse! For different reasons.
1. Boonen has already won 13 races this season and is now
11th on the UCI ranking.
2. If i'm not mistaken, Paolini is out for the Tour
3. Boonen will be the main contender of Petacchi
4. Has a chance to take the yellow jersey in Belgium if he
ride the prologue as he did in the Sterelektrotoer two
weeks ago where he beat Voigt and Bartko.

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With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's
obvious who the designated sprinter is. But what about
teams that have more than one option? Who gets the
leadout between the following (assuming both have good
legs at the end of the stage).

AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?

Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the
guy 🙂

I doubt Domina Vacanze controls the peloton in the Tour
as they did in the Giro.

What year are you talking about? DV didn't control
anything in the 2004 Giro.

That's my mistake. I meant Fassa Bortolo.

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Patacchi's wheel is likely not where you'll find the
sprinters.

Really? Who else tries to get there?

Whoever wants to be the first loser.

Roland

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-WG

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> With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's
> obvious who the designated sprinter is. But what
> about teams that have more than one option? Who gets
> the leadout between the following (assuming both
> have good legs at the end of the stage).
>
> AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
> C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?
>
> Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the
> guy 🙂

I doubt Domina Vacanze controls the peloton in the
Tour as they did in the Giro.

What year are you talking about? DV didn't control
anything in the 2004 Giro.

That's my mistake. I meant Fassa Bortolo.

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Patacchi's wheel is likely not where you'll find the
sprinters.

Really? Who else tries to get there?

Whoever wants to be the first loser.

Like FredRod?

-WG

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> "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > With teams like Fassa, Domina, TM or Lotto it's
> > obvious who the designated sprinter is. But what
> > about teams that have more than one option? Who
> > gets the leadout between the following (assuming
> > both have good legs at the end of the stage).
> >
> > AG2R Kirsipuu or J.P. Nazon?
> > C.A Hushovd or D. Nazon? QSD Boonen or Paolini?
> >
> > Maybe whoever is closer to Petacchi's wheel is the
> > guy 🙂
>
> I doubt Domina Vacanze controls the peloton in the
> Tour as they did in the Giro.

What year are you talking about? DV didn't control
anything in the 2004 Giro.

That's my mistake. I meant Fassa Bortolo.

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> Patacchi's wheel is likely not where you'll find the
> sprinters.

Really? Who else tries to get there?

Whoever wants to be the first loser.

Like FredRod?

How did I know you were just dying to work that in?

So because ONE time somebody won by sitting on Petacchi's
wheel means that's where the sprinters should be? Maybe you
missed the rest of the Giro, but Petacchi won NINE sprints,
and whoever was on his wheel was dusted.

I don't know what chance sprinter's have with their own lead-
out men, but it has to be better than ten percent.

Roland

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> Really? Who else tries to get there?
>
Whoever wants to be the first loser.

Like FredRod?

How did I know you were just dying to work that in?

So because ONE time somebody won by sitting on Petacchi's
wheel means that's where the sprinters should be? Maybe
you missed the rest of the Giro, but Petacchi won NINE
sprints, and whoever was on his wheel was dusted.

I don't know what chance sprinter's have with their own
lead-out men, but it has to be better than ten percent.

The reason they are not alongside him before the sprint is
because it's tough to find three guys who are as fast as the
last three from FB.

Paid professionals at the top of the sport know more about
how to beat Pettachi than you do. What you seem them doing
is the best way they can come up with.

-WG

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Whoever wants to be the first loser.

Like FredRod?

How did I know you were just dying to work that in?

So because ONE time somebody won by sitting on Petacchi's
wheel means that's where the sprinters should be? Maybe
you missed the rest of the Giro, but Petacchi won NINE
sprints, and whoever was on his wheel was dusted.

I don't know what chance sprinter's have with their own
lead-out men, but it has to be better than ten percent.

Don't you find it interesting that paid professionals
wouldn't be able to figure out what you have apparently
figured out?

-WG

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The reason they are not alongside him before the sprint is
because it's tough to find three guys who are as fast as
the last three from FB.

In the Giro, I would agree. In the Tour, not a chance.

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Paid professionals at the top of the sport know more about
how to beat Pettachi than you do. What you seem them doing
is the best way they can come up with.

Zabel had Petacchi's wheel in Stage 1. Kirsipuu did not.

Roland

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But what about teams that have more than one option?

Whoever is feeling better on the day if there is not a clear sprint leader for the team. This happened yesterday with Kirsipuu and Nazon.

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I don't know what chance sprinter's have with their own
lead-out men, but it has to be better than ten percent.

Don't you find it interesting that paid professionals
wouldn't be able to figure out what you have apparently
figured out?

-WG

I don't claim to have figured anything out. I think we are
talking about two different things. The quality of
competition is higher in the Tour than in the Giro. The only
way to win a flat stage in the Giro was to sit on Petacchi's
wheel and hope.

In the Tour, teams are able to disrupt the Fassa train. So
far, all three winners have won in different ways, but they
haven't used Petacchi's wheel in the final run into the
finish. For the most part, I've seen Zabel looking for
Petacchi's wheel, and the best he's managed was a 2nd today,
I believe.

Roland

Well, Petacchi is 0 for 3 so far ................ and he won't make it to the end of the Tour, he'll lose it in the mountains, especially if he hasn't taken more than a stage by then ..........

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Well, Petacchi is 0 for 3 so far ................ and he
won't make it to the end of the Tour, he'll lose it in the
mountains, especially if he hasn't taken more than a stage
by then ..........

Think Petacchi must be getting pretty frustrated by now,
wondering if he'll win any stages in the tour? I'm pretty
happy for McEwen, his first yellow of his career. -tom