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Richard Bates said:

Is CTCShop run by Evans, or is Evans run by CTCShop. (Or are the
websites and prices very similar just by chance)?

The CTC shop is run by Evans.

Peter

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Peter Simons said:

The CTC shop is run by Evans.

Ah! That would explain why I got a sale flyer through the post from
Evans, though I couldn't remember ever using them...

Pete.
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Ah! That would explain why I got a sale flyer through the post from Evans,
though I couldn't remember ever using them...

Pete.
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Hmm... don't know if I like the implication of that. Has the CTC allowed
Evans use of the CTC database of members for Evans own marketing purposes?
Did you give permission for the CTC to allow your details to be used in
*this* way? Has the CTC been paid for this database?

Just my musings.

Cheers, helen s

Peter Simons said:

Richard Bates said:

Is CTCShop run by Evans, or is Evans run by CTCShop. (Or are the
websites and prices very similar just by chance)?

The CTC shop is run by Evans.

So if I have an Evans 10% discount card and am a CTC member will the
discounted prices be the same at both stores? Is there still an
advnatage in using the CTC store as Evans will pass on a commission to
the Club?

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Helen C Simmons said:

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Quoted message said:

Ah! That would explain why I got a sale flyer through the post from
Evans, though I couldn't remember ever using them...

Quoted message said:

Hmm... don't know if I like the implication of that. Has the CTC

allowed

Quoted message said:

Evans use of the CTC database of members for Evans own marketing

purposes?

Quoted message said:

Did you give permission for the CTC to allow your details to be used

in

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*this* way? Has the CTC been paid for this database?

Presumably they captured Peter's details when he bought something at
the CTC online store. This still seems an abuse of Evans' store
hosting.

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Helen C Simmons said:

Hmm... don't know if I like the implication of that. Has the CTC allowed
Evans use of the CTC database of members for Evans own marketing purposes?
Did you give permission for the CTC to allow your details to be used in
*this* way? Has the CTC been paid for this database?

Simply the case that I have used the CTC shop in the recent past (couple
of 3W dynamo headlight bulbs), so I have effectively done business with
Evans Cycles and thus not a Big Jump to them having my name and address.
They needed it to send the bulbs to me, after all, so I think Don't
Panic quite yet.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Helen C Simmons said:

Hmm... don't know if I like the implication of that. Has the CTC allowed
Evans use of the CTC database of members for Evans own marketing purposes?
Did you give permission for the CTC to allow your details to be used in
*this* way? Has the CTC been paid for this database?

Just my musings.

Cheers, helen s

Clear breach of the Data Protection Act. Your data was collected for
the purposes of your shopping with the CTC. It was not collected to for
the purposes of Evans marketing to you outside of that context even if
Evans has been contracted to run the CTC shop.

Tony

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Simply the case that I have used the CTC shop in the recent past (couple
of 3W dynamo headlight bulbs), so I have effectively done business with
Evans Cycles and thus not a Big Jump to them having my name and address.
They needed it to send the bulbs to me, after all, so I think Don't Panic
quite yet.

Pete.
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Not a question of whether the "Don't Panic" stage has been reached - it
seems there may well be a breach of data protection. Even if there's not, I
don't like compnaies who act in an apparently unethical manner. And there's
at least a sniff of a bit of dubious ethics here. Of course there may well
be an entirely innocent explanation.

Cheers, helen s

Helen C Simmons said:

Not a question of whether the "Don't Panic" stage has been reached - it
seems there may well be a breach of data protection. Even if there's not, I
don't like compnaies who act in an apparently unethical manner. And there's
at least a sniff of a bit of dubious ethics here. Of course there may well
be an entirely innocent explanation.

There may be an entirely innocent explanation unrelated to my
supposition, but in any case I don't really see it as "dubious ethics"
if a company I've done business with sends me details of sale offers
that there's a fair chance I'll be interested in...

Sorry if I'm not sufficiently outraged, but it's the sort of junk mail I
don't actually mind at all!

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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There may be an entirely innocent explanation unrelated to my supposition,
but in any case I don't really see it as "dubious ethics" if a company
I've done business with sends me details of sale offers that there's a
fair chance I'll be interested in...

You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop - an
entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the point
being made.

Cheers, helen s

Helen C Simmons said:

You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop - an
entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the point
being made.

Anyone remember the time SJSC had a web URL very similar to that of
Edinburgh Cycles that diverted you to the SJSC site?

Tony

Helen C Simmons said:

You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop - an
entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the point
being made.

This is just semantics, and as before I'm just not at all outraged by
it. Your "dubious ethics" is my "potentially very useful information
which I'm not unhappy to be sent".

Before anyone gets too far on with muttering about Evans' business
ethics it should be emphasised I'm not accusing them of anything, do not
feel bothered by them, and I've just made a guess as to how I got one of
their mailshots (it shouldn't be /that/ hard to work out where I live
and that I'm a cyclist from public domain information).

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch composed the following;:

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(it shouldn't be /that/ hard to work out where
I live and that I'm a cyclist from public domain information).

Dundee area?

🙂

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Helen C Simmons said:

You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop -
an entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the
point being made.

This is just semantics, and as before I'm just not at all outraged by it.
Your "dubious ethics" is my "potentially very useful information which
I'm not unhappy to be sent".

Actually what I said was "And there's
at least a sniff of a bit of dubious ethics here. Of course there may well
be an entirely innocent explanation."

Quoted message said:

Before anyone gets too far on with muttering about Evans' business ethics
it should be emphasised I'm not accusing them of anything, do not feel
bothered by them, and I've just made a guess as to how I got one of their
mailshots (it shouldn't be /that/ hard to work out where I live and that
I'm a cyclist from public domain information).

Didn't say you were, Pete. All that's been pointed out on the thread is that
what has happened is *possibly* a breach of data protection. Being in
business, I have to take data protection seriously in the work I do or I
might end a criminal. You are entirely at liberty to totally ignore anything
I say and no-one is forcing you to be outraged:-) For example, I run a
couple of businesses - I simply would not use client information from one
across to the other without the specific prior consent of the client. But
that's just me :-)

Cheers, helen s

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Helen C Simmons said:

You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop -
an entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the
point being made.

This is just semantics, and as before I'm just not at all outraged by it.
Your "dubious ethics" is my "potentially very useful information which
I'm not unhappy to be sent".

Actually what I said was "And there's
at least a sniff of a bit of dubious ethics here. Of course there may well
be an entirely innocent explanation."

Quoted message said:

Before anyone gets too far on with muttering about Evans' business ethics
it should be emphasised I'm not accusing them of anything, do not feel
bothered by them, and I've just made a guess as to how I got one of their
mailshots (it shouldn't be /that/ hard to work out where I live and that
I'm a cyclist from public domain information).

Didn't say you were, Pete. All that's been pointed out on the thread is
that what has happened is *possibly* a breach of data protection. Being in
business, I have to take data protection seriously in the work I do or I
might end a criminal. You are entirely at liberty to totally ignore
anything I say and no-one is forcing you to be outraged:-) For example, I
run a couple of businesses - I simply would not use client information
from one across to the other without the specific prior consent of the
client. But that's just me :-)

Cheers, helen s

I was under the impression data had only to be used for the purposes it was
originally captured for (excuse the grammar!). So even if CTC shop change
their franchisee they are still using the data for its original purpose - to
communicate to you about bits for bikes even if at the end of the supply
line their is someone different acting as their agent.

Julia

Helen C Simmons said:

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You didn't do business with Evans - you did business with the CTC shop - an
entirely different entity, even if it is run by Evans, and that's the point
being made.

If Evans runs the CTC shop, it quite possibly *is* the same entity. A
search at Companies House might reveal How They Are Related.

http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/

However, I can say for a start there is no registered UK company called
Evans Cycles.

Trading names are of little use in establishing who you are dealing
with. Any registered company can trade under as many or as few names as
it likes.

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Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Tony Raven said:

Helen C Simmons said:

Hmm... don't know if I like the implication of that. Has the CTC
allowed Evans use of the CTC database of members for Evans own
marketing purposes? Did you give permission for the CTC to allow your
details to be used in *this* way? Has the CTC been paid for this
database?

Just my musings.

Cheers, helen s

Clear breach of the Data Protection Act. Your data was collected for
the purposes of your shopping with the CTC. It was not collected to for
the purposes of Evans marketing to you outside of that context even if
Evans has been contracted to run the CTC shop.

Before jumping to conclusions, you need to demonstrate that Evans is
legally not the CTC shop.

After that you have to show that whatever order was sent to the CTC shop
did not have one of those "tick the box if you do/don't want your
details passed on" boxes, or if it did, that it was left in a state that
do not pass on details.

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Richard Bates composed the following;:

Quoted message said:

Is CTCShop run by Evans, or is Evans run by CTCShop. (Or are the
websites and prices very similar just by chance)?

Maybe they're Evans, using the trading name of CTCShop ...

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JLB said:

Before jumping to conclusions, you need to demonstrate that Evans is
legally not the CTC shop.

After that you have to show that whatever order was sent to the CTC shop
did not have one of those "tick the box if you do/don't want your
details passed on" boxes, or if it did, that it was left in a state that
do not pass on details.

Doesn't matter who is contracted out to provide the service. Your
interaction is with the CTC through the CTC shop not with Evans and Data
Protection Act limits the use of your data to interaction with the CTC.
Plus the tick box under the Privacy and Electronic Communications Act
you have to positively opt in, not fail to untick a box.

Tony