Who Killed ARBR?

Ed,

Nadir was the consummate choice of a word. It says it all. Tom
Sherman could take lessons from you. His most recent myopic posts have
degenerated into desultory, incoherent, discursive, ramblings that
betray his frustration, lack of insightfulness and his inability to
reason clearly.

You are right concerning most if not all that you have said. Ed Gin,
and perhaps a few of his devoted disciples, has inflicted irreparable
damage here at ARBR. Many ARBR members had the intelligence to discern
what was worthwhile and the self-control to ignore the useless. Few
stepped up to the task to voice their discontent and many simply
abandoned ARBR in disgust. I may be one of the last ones to pull up
stakes. You and Tom Sherman will remain as the primary contributors
locked in off-topic cyber-skirmishes ad infinitium. At that juncture,
it would befitting for the last rights to be administered to ARBR.

JimmyMac

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Ed,

Nadir was the consummate choice of a word. It says it all. Tom
Sherman could take lessons from you. His most recent myopic posts have
degenerated into desultory, incoherent, discursive, ramblings that
betray his frustration, lack of insightfulness and his inability to
reason clearly.

You are right concerning most if not all that you have said. Ed Gin,
and perhaps a few of his devoted disciples, has inflicted irreparable
damage here at ARBR. Many ARBR members had the intelligence to discern
what was worthwhile and the self-control to ignore the useless. Few
stepped up to the task to voice their discontent and many simply
abandoned ARBR in disgust. I may be one of the last ones to pull up
stakes. You and Tom Sherman will remain as the primary contributors
locked in off-topic cyber-skirmishes ad infinitum. At that juncture,
it would befitting for the last rites to be administered to ARBR.

JimmyMac

I can count on the fingers of one hand those of us who stood up to the
criminal vandal troll. I have noted who voiced their objections and who were
mute. Mr. Sherman, the most prolific poster ever to ARBR up to that time and
one of the main stays of the group, was mute. But he wasn't the only one.
Yes, they did not want to get involved, but that kind of spinelessness will
be the ruin of everything.

I came to this group several years ago with hope and trust that everyone
would behave like decent human beings and we could have a good time
together. I mean, just how bad can anyone be who is into recumbents? I
discovered that human nature is ever with us regardless of our interests. I
will shortly leave ARBR (this will be my 6th and final farewell) with loads
and loads of disgust - and all due to one criminal vandal troll by the name
of Ed Gin whom no one wanted to take on except for a handful of us. He
murdered the group and the group let him do it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
There you will see a great falling off that occurred last March after a
hectic winter of assault by a criminal vandal troll by the name of Ed Gin....

Mr. Dolan presents an accusation without proof. No one has proved that
Ed Gin authored the Johnny NoCom posts, and there is significant
evidence that indicates other parties.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Edward Dolan said:

This has got to be the strangest newsgroup in Usenet history. The group is
for all practical purposes now dead and yet some here do not seem to know
it. It did not die for no reason. So what killed it, or better, who killed
it?...

Mr. Edward Dolan and others consistently bombarding the group with
pro-Republican messages certainly had nothing to do with it. [End
Sarcasm]

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

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Ed,

Nadir was the consummate choice of a word. It says it all. Tom
Sherman could take lessons from you. His most recent myopic posts have
degenerated into desultory, incoherent, discursive, ramblings that
betray his frustration, lack of insightfulness and his inability to
reason clearly.

Mr. McNamara can clearly come up with insults, but he can not come up
with PROOF of his ACCUSATIONS.

Quoted message said:

You are right concerning most if not all that you have said. Ed Gin,
and perhaps a few of his devoted disciples, has inflicted irreparable
damage here at ARBR....

The damage was done by certain people constantly INITIATING political
arguments, cramming their smug, self-righteous opinions down everyone
else throat. This occurred long before any Johnny NoCom posts showed
up.

Rather than keeping on posting on-topic (as occurs in other Usenet
cycling groups) many people obviously could not mentally filter out
what was of disinterest, and fled to moderated forums where net nannies
protect them from any unpleasantness or real controversy. If they
prefer "baby food" discussion, so be it.

Quoted message said:

Many ARBR members had the intelligence to discern
what was worthwhile and the self-control to ignore the useless. Few
stepped up to the task to voice their discontent and many simply
abandoned ARBR in disgust. I may be one of the last ones to pull up
stakes. You and Tom Sherman will remain as the primary contributors
locked in off-topic cyber-skirmishes ad infinitium. At that juncture,
it would befitting for the last rights to be administered to ARBR.

What is left of the group would benefit if people like Mr. McNamara
took his personal hatred away, instead of venting on the group in the
form of ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT PROOF.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:25:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about
There you will see a great falling off that occurred last March after a
hectic winter of assault by a criminal vandal troll by the name of Ed Gin.

Nope. The decline clearly starts around October 2002, by November
2003 it was down to under 2/3 of its peak value, and since November
2003 it has declined steadily. If anything the monkey pox increased
the number of postings, since the poxers are quite prolific.

All we need to do is find someone who arrived late 2002 and really
ramped up their input late 2003. Can anyone find a likely candidate
in the archives?

Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:04:52 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Mr. Sherman, the most prolific poster ever to ARBR up to that time and
one of the main stays of the group, was mute.

Maybe he discovered that his newsreader has a killfile.

Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

W H A T E V E R 8^) ... JimmyMac

Just zis Guy said:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:25:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
said in <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about
There you will see a great falling off that occurred last March after a
hectic winter of assault by a criminal vandal troll by the name of Ed Gin.

Nope. The decline clearly starts around October 2002, by November
2003 it was down to under 2/3 of its peak value, and since November
2003 it has declined steadily. If anything the monkey pox increased
the number of postings, since the poxers are quite prolific.

All we need to do is find someone who arrived late 2002 and really
ramped up their input late 2003. Can anyone find a likely candidate
in the archives?

I told the Worthington City Council that installing Internet access
under the bridges was a bad idea. 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

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W H A T E V E R 8^) ... JimmyMac

[YAWN]

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Mr. Dolan,

You are intelligent enough to know that repeating a lie does not make
it true.

It's quite obvious who killed ARBR: You did, and you're quite proud of
it.

So be proud of the work you've done. And now please leave so perhaps
the group can heal itself. At this point, it may take years, or the
healing may never happen because people have found other forums. But
with you here, the group will never recover.

Here's your hat, what's your hurry?

Happy Holidays,

Ken

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There you will see a great falling off that occurred last March after a
hectic winter of assault by a criminal vandal troll by the name of Ed Gin.

Wasn't he the guy in Wisconsin who killed people and made lampshades out of
their skin or something?

"Johnny Sunset" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rather than keeping on posting on-topic (as occurs in other Usenet
cycling groups)

I can't let this go by without comment. Unless you're speaking of a Usenet
in some parallel universe, this is contrary to my experience.

Just as in real life, there exists a certain proportion of people using
Usenet who, given a conversation on any topic under the sun, can change the
subject in a sentence or two into a completely unrelated political argument.
Why should Usenet be any different from the real world?

Roger Houston said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

There you will see a great falling off that occurred last March after a
hectic winter of assault by a criminal vandal troll by the name of Ed Gin.

Wasn't he the guy in Wisconsin who killed people and made lampshades out of
their skin or something?

That was Ed Gein: <http://www.prairieghosts.com/ed_gein.html>.

This is Ed Gin with some escapees from Monkey Island:
<>http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/misc/EdandMonkeys.jpg. The bicycle
appears to be Ed's Ross Festina modified with a larger rear wheel.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Roger Houston said:

"Johnny Sunset" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rather than keeping on posting on-topic (as occurs in other Usenet
cycling groups)

I can't let this go by without comment. Unless you're speaking of a Usenet
in some parallel universe, this is contrary to my experience.

Take rec.bicycles.tech as an example. Although there have been many off
topic flame wars on the group, things settle down and people return to
discussing bicycles. In addition, the majority of the posts are cycling
related.

To the contrary, on alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent we mostly had people who
criticized the trolls (a waste of effort) and then abandoned the forum
for one where the moderators would protect them from any unpleasantness
(trading freedom for security is how Mr. Franklin would put it).

Quoted message said:

Just as in real life, there exists a certain proportion of people using
Usenet who, given a conversation on any topic under the sun, can change the
subject in a sentence or two into a completely unrelated political argument.
Why should Usenet be any different from the real world?

Yes, but if others keep posting on-topic, the off-topic threads and
posts will become a bump in the road, not the mountain that towers over
all else.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Edward Dolan said:

This has got to be the strangest newsgroup in Usenet history. The group is
for all practical purposes now dead and yet some here do not seem to know
it. It did not die for no reason. So what killed it, or better, who killed
it?...

Hey Ed,

You are mentioned on the HRS blog:
<http://highracers.blogspot.com/2005/12/angry-disenfranchised-fogs-unable-to.html>.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

"Johnny Sunset" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ed,

Nadir was the consummate choice of a word. It says it all. Tom
Sherman could take lessons from you. His most recent myopic posts have
degenerated into desultory, incoherent, discursive, ramblings that
betray his frustration, lack of insightfulness and his inability to
reason clearly.

Mr. McNamara can clearly come up with insults, but he can not come up
with PROOF of his ACCUSATIONS.

Quoted message said:

You are right concerning most if not all that you have said. Ed Gin,
and perhaps a few of his devoted disciples, has inflicted irreparable
damage here at ARBR....

The damage was done by certain people constantly INITIATING political
arguments, cramming their smug, self-righteous opinions down everyone
else throat. This occurred long before any Johnny NoCom posts showed
up.

It was not off topic discussion that killed ARBR. Those type of discussions
had been going on like forever and were doing no damage at all to the group.
The fact is that it was Mr. Sherman's good buddy Ed Gin (Johnny NoCom et al)
who killed this group. See the Google statistics for confirmation of this.

Mr. Sherman thought he could post his liberal nonsense on ARBR and not be
challenged. He was mainly a responder as was I. But a bit of off topic
discussion never hurt any group. In fact, it enlivened it. I will admit that
it did scare away the dead wood, mainly Florida retired types, but they
never added anything to the group. All they ever wanted to do was to say hi
and goodbye to one another.

Quoted message said:

Rather than keeping on posting on-topic (as occurs in other Usenet
cycling groups) many people obviously could not mentally filter out
what was of disinterest, and fled to moderated forums where net nannies
protect them from any unpleasantness or real controversy. If they
prefer "baby food" discussion, so be it.

It is the likes of your good buddy Ed Gin which makes moderated forums the
only way to go. BROL will be around long after ARBR has bit the dust because
of characters like your good buddy Ed Gin.

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Quoted message said:

Many ARBR members had the intelligence to discern
what was worthwhile and the self-control to ignore the useless. Few
stepped up to the task to voice their discontent and many simply
abandoned ARBR in disgust. I may be one of the last ones to pull up
stakes. You and Tom Sherman will remain as the primary contributors
locked in off-topic cyber-skirmishes ad infinitium. At that juncture,
it would befitting for the last rights to be administered to ARBR.

What is left of the group would benefit if people like Mr. McNamara
took his personal hatred away, instead of venting on the group in the
form of ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT PROOF.

I recall clearly that it was your good buddy Ed Gin who was forever the
instigator of all unpleasantness here on ARBR.

I hold myself as a model of how we should behave on an unmoderated forum
such as ARBR. Mr. Sherman, other than being tedious and tiresome, is OK too.
He is not a criminal vandal troll like his good buddy Ed Gin.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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"Johnny Sunset" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Rather than keeping on posting on-topic (as occurs in other Usenet
cycling groups)

I can't let this go by without comment. Unless you're speaking of a
Usenet in some parallel universe, this is contrary to my experience.

Just as in real life, there exists a certain proportion of people using
Usenet who, given a conversation on any topic under the sun, can change
the subject in a sentence or two into a completely unrelated political
argument. Why should Usenet be any different from the real world?

Mr. Houston is quite correct about this. It is inhuman to stay too much on
topic. Only a nerd and a jerk would stay on topic to the exclusion of
everything else. Such types must check their humanity in a cloak room when
they enter into a Usenet conversation on their computer.

In a HUMAN conversation one thing just naturally leads to another.To curb
this tendency is most stupid and only nerds and jerks do it. I think such
types lack a sense of security and are fearful of saying stupid things.
Hells Bells, I say stupid things all the time and I am none the worse for
wear. Try it some time. You will have some fun!

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
Hells Bells, I say stupid things all the time...

Once again, I agree with Ed Dolan. 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"Like shootin' fish in a barrel"