white wine for cooking

I buy Chablis in a box for cooking.

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Skinny <[email hidden]> stated
| I'm looking for a very dry, non-carby, non-sweet white wine for
| cooking. Any suggestions?
|
|
| Skinny

Inexpensive chardonnay or sauvignon blanc are good too.

on Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:09:17 GMT, "FOB" <[email hidden]>

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I buy Chablis in a box for cooking.

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Bev

"Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm looking for a very dry, non-carby, non-sweet white wine for cooking.
Any
suggestions?

Everybody has an opinion but can't give you the accurate carb counts of the
wines they've suggested.

Just a few from my list of over 400 wines, 1000 beers, 60 liqueurs, liquors,
and 200 low-carb mixed drink recipes. As you can see from this small
representation, wines can range in carb counts from as low as 1.1 g per 5
ounces to 8 g (or more). The notion that you can rely on the information
provided at Fitday or the USDA website for accurate carb counts for adult
beverages is wrong, wrong, wrong. They use averages, a good way to pick up
unaccounted for creeping carbs during the day.

Remember, alcohol begins to vaporize at around 174 degrees F. As a result,
the calorie count will lessen with the reduction of alcohol but not the
carbohydrates.

Happy Holidaze,

The Low-Carb Bartender
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Barton & Guestier
Chardonnay ('02) 5 oz 1.1 g

Beaulieu Vineyard (BV)
Reserve Chardonnay ('00) 5 oz 1.8 g
Signet Chardonnay ('01) 5 oz 1.8 g

Bella Sera
Pinot Grigio ('02) 5 oz 3.15 g

Carlo Rossi
Rhine 5 oz 8 g
White Zinfandel 5 oz 7.5 g

Ecco Domani
Pinot Grigio ('02) 5 oz 3.15 g

Ernest & Julio Gallo
White Merlot 5 oz 4.5 g

Sterling Vineyards
Diamond Mountain Ranch Cabernet Sauvignon ('00) 5 oz 1.8 g

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Sterling Vineyards
Diamond Mountain Ranch Cabernet Sauvignon ('00) 5 oz 1.8 g

The cab was thrown in for "color."

The Low-Carb Bartender

Dry vermouth works great in any recipe calling for dry white wine.
It's very cheap and stores forever. Enjoy!

dragon

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Dry vermouth works great in any recipe calling for dry white wine.
It's very cheap and stores forever. Enjoy!

Once again, a great example of someone who generalizes, but doesn't come up
with the numbers for carbs.

This one particular dry vermouth comes in at :
E. & J. Gallo Winery
Vermouth Extra Dry 1 oz .8 g---5 o z 4.0 g

Other dry vermouth brands come in higher or lower.

It's beyond my comprehension how people on this ng fight me on this concept.
I see people who will fight and argue about the difference between brand X
tomato sauce vs. brand Y or over different catsups (kethcups) on this ng.
Obviously to some lc dieters, getting the most accurate carbs counts for
what goes down their gullet are important. I read all the stories about how
creeping carbs or hidden carns can spoil weight loss, but so many people buy
into the nonsense that "dry" wine is okay. Really? How okay?

And yet---once again---somebody suggest that vermouth works in any recipe
(BTW, I live vermouth in stew), but can't give a carb count.

As an example... I say a slice of bread has 20 carbs per slice. Am I talking
about some commerical white bread, sourdough, rye, pumpernickel, cracked
wheat or rye...and on and on? They're all different---just like various
wines are. If I mention the average carb count of an apple, am I talking
about a [censored] and dry Granny Smith, a sweeter Johnathon, or a red sugary
Delicious?

Folks, get off the false assumption that you can simple dismiss wines (and
the carbs that go with them) as "white wine, dry" or "red wine, dry." These
average numbers add hidden carbs to your daily carbohydrate intake with
their generalities---pure and simple.

The only way to include the moderate consumption of ANY alcoholic beverage
is by knowing the true carb counts of what you drink.

Google me.

The Low Carb Bartender

examples are

Thanks VERY much!

Went looking for these and found a lower one on the shelf with a big label
"one.6". Chardonnay California 2003. Price was reasonable.
http://www.lowcarbchard.com/

I'm no judge of wine, but I quite like the taste. Doesn't taste too sweet,
as most things do now that I'm low-carbing. Kind of sweet, but sort of
explosive and interesting to balance it.

The Low-Carb Bartender said:

"Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm looking for a very dry, non-carby, non-sweet white wine for cooking.
Any
suggestions?

Everybody has an opinion but can't give you the accurate carb counts of

the

Quoted message said:

wines they've suggested.

Just a few from my list of over 400 wines, 1000 beers, 60 liqueurs,

liquors,

Quoted message said:

and 200 low-carb mixed drink recipes. As you can see from this small
representation, wines can range in carb counts from as low as 1.1 g per 5
ounces to 8 g (or more). The notion that you can rely on the information
provided at Fitday or the USDA website for accurate carb counts for adult
beverages is wrong, wrong, wrong. They use averages, a good way to pick up
unaccounted for creeping carbs during the day.

Remember, alcohol begins to vaporize at around 174 degrees F. As a result,
the calorie count will lessen with the reduction of alcohol but not the
carbohydrates.

Happy Holidaze,

The Low-Carb Bartender
*************************************
Barton & Guestier
Chardonnay ('02) 5 oz 1.1 g

Our Safeway alcohol manager never heard of them.

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Beaulieu Vineyard (BV)
Reserve Chardonnay ('00) 5 oz 1.8 g
Signet Chardonnay ('01) 5 oz 1.8 g

Saw some BV's with later dates, 2003 iirc, pretty cheap, but got the "one.6"
brand instead.

Skinny
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Bella Sera
Pinot Grigio ('02) 5 oz 3.15 g

Carlo Rossi
Rhine 5 oz 8 g
White Zinfandel 5 oz 7.5 g

Ecco Domani
Pinot Grigio ('02) 5 oz 3.15 g

Ernest & Julio Gallo
White Merlot 5 oz 4.5 g

Sterling Vineyards
Diamond Mountain Ranch Cabernet Sauvignon ('00) 5 oz 1.8 g

Skinny said:

I'm looking for a very dry, non-carby, non-sweet white wine for cooking. Any
suggestions?

Skinny

Any cheap Chardonnay will do.

thank you! what you say is true...

The Low-Carb Bartender said:

Quoted message said:

Dry vermouth works great in any recipe calling for dry white wine.
It's very cheap and stores forever. Enjoy!

Once again, a great example of someone who generalizes, but doesn't
come up with the numbers for carbs.

This one particular dry vermouth comes in at :
E. & J. Gallo Winery
Vermouth Extra Dry 1 oz .8 g---5 o z 4.0 g

Other dry vermouth brands come in higher or lower.

It's beyond my comprehension how people on this ng fight me on this
concept. I see people who will fight and argue about the difference
between brand X tomato sauce vs. brand Y or over different catsups
(kethcups) on this ng. Obviously to some lc dieters, getting the most
accurate carbs counts for what goes down their gullet are important.
I read all the stories about how creeping carbs or hidden carns can
spoil weight loss, but so many people buy into the nonsense that
"dry" wine is okay. Really? How okay?
And yet---once again---somebody suggest that vermouth works in any
recipe (BTW, I live vermouth in stew), but can't give a carb count.

As an example... I say a slice of bread has 20 carbs per slice. Am I
talking about some commerical white bread, sourdough, rye,
pumpernickel, cracked wheat or rye...and on and on? They're all
different---just like various wines are. If I mention the average
carb count of an apple, am I talking about a [censored] and dry Granny
Smith, a sweeter Johnathon, or a red sugary Delicious?

Folks, get off the false assumption that you can simple dismiss wines
(and the carbs that go with them) as "white wine, dry" or "red wine,
dry." These average numbers add hidden carbs to your daily
carbohydrate intake with their generalities---pure and simple.

The only way to include the moderate consumption of ANY alcoholic
beverage is by knowing the true carb counts of what you drink.

Google me.

The Low Carb Bartender

examples are

"> Any cheap Chardonnay will do.

and like the masses...you're missing the point. A cheap chardonnay spreads
out from maybe 1.1 g of carbs per serving to how may carbs depending on
county, vintage, country, etc.?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AVERAGE CARB COUNT FOR WINE, BEER, OR LIQUEURS.

I go back to my old argument...if I said one slice of bread, one apple, one
glass of milk----and don't give real qualifiers like type, size, or
quality---don't you think there's something wrong with the carb counts?

BTW, for all the nitwits like JC Koenig, revek, Carmen...and all the other
jerk-offs who are blocked on my e-mails (and don't forget, I don't hide
behind some stupid phoney e-mail address like you do)....

how freaking hard is this concept of moderate drinking with accurate carb
counts for you?

The Low Carb Bartender

New Year is coming...
Moderation, not Deprivation

The Low-Carb Bartender said:

"> Any cheap Chardonnay will do.

and like the masses...you're missing the point. A cheap chardonnay

spreads

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out from maybe 1.1 g of carbs per serving to how may carbs depending

on

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county, vintage, country, etc.?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AVERAGE CARB COUNT FOR WINE, BEER, OR

LIQUEURS.

You may be a bartender, but you obviously didn't pay attention in math
class. An average can easily be calculated for each of those three
groups. How large the standard deviation is, which seems to be the
point you are arguing, can also be calculated.

And while I agree there is a relatively large difference in carbs
between a sweet desert wine and a chardonay, I'll bet the standard
deviation of chardonay isn't all that great. Could that be why in the
above answer you didn't give us some examples of popular high carb
chardonnays to prove your point?

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I go back to my old argument...if I said one slice of bread, one

apple, one

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glass of milk----and don't give real qualifiers like type, size, or
quality---don't you think there's something wrong with the carb

counts?

Quoted message said:

BTW, for all the nitwits like JC Koenig, revek, Carmen...and all the

other

Quoted message said:

jerk-offs who are blocked on my e-mails (and don't forget, I don't

hide

Quoted message said:

behind some stupid phoney e-mail address like you do)....

how freaking hard is this concept of moderate drinking with accurate

carb

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counts for you?

The Low Carb Bartender

New Year is coming...
Moderation, not Deprivation

most of us

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just don't have access to the information you do regarding the different
brands of alcoholic beverages and so can only generalize that chardonnay
will be lower in carbs than something sweeter. And I do appreciate that
you post the counts for us. :-)

Bev,

I have a book out on the subject and recently had an appearance on ABC's
'The View' with Barbara Walters and her gang, ESPN2's 'Cold Pizza,' and the
Fox News Channel.

I'd give a link to the book and its name, but then I'd be accused of
advertising on the site---and as has been the case---be turned in to my ISP
by one of the people on this group who have decided to become self-imposed
censors.

Google me...

The Low-Carb Bartender.

Excuse me for going off topic, but I've often wondered how seriously ISPs
take such complaints.

Skinny
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The Low-Carb Bartender said:

most of us

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just don't have access to the information you do regarding the different
brands of alcoholic beverages and so can only generalize that chardonnay
will be lower in carbs than something sweeter. And I do appreciate that
you post the counts for us. :-)

Bev,

I have a book out on the subject and recently had an appearance on ABC's
'The View' with Barbara Walters and her gang, ESPN2's 'Cold Pizza,' and

the

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Fox News Channel.

I'd give a link to the book and its name, but then I'd be accused of
advertising on the site---and as has been the case---be turned in to my

ISP

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by one of the people on this group who have decided to become self-imposed
censors.

Google me...

The Low-Carb Bartender.

Mine does, compliments of some of the self-imposed ng "watchdogs" who have
repeatedly attacked me when ever I mentioned my site URL or how to buy my
books.

I was also advised to pull my URL from my signature line even though its
okay according to the ng rules.

Be advised that anyone who even directs someone to come and visit their
alternate LC forum can also wind up fending off their ISP, originating from
complaints from people who have nothing better to do. I've recently seen
some people trying to be helpful and directing people to their own forums to
get away from the negativity of certain elements of this ng. Watch
yourselves because you might get a call one day because you're "advertising"
your site.

The ironic thing about all of this is that it's okay for someone else to
mention a book or lc food outlet, for instance, and even give a link, but
the author or retail store owner can't.

"Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Excuse me for going off topic, but I've often wondered how seriously ISPs
take such complaints.

Skinny
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The Low-Carb Bartender said:

most of us

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just don't have access to the information you do regarding the
different
brands of alcoholic beverages and so can only generalize that
chardonnay
will be lower in carbs than something sweeter. And I do appreciate
that
you post the counts for us. :-)

Bev,

I have a book out on the subject and recently had an appearance on ABC's
'The View' with Barbara Walters and her gang, ESPN2's 'Cold Pizza,' and

the

Quoted message said:

Fox News Channel.

I'd give a link to the book and its name, but then I'd be accused of
advertising on the site---and as has been the case---be turned in to my

ISP

Quoted message said:

by one of the people on this group who have decided to become
self-imposed
censors.

Google me...

The Low-Carb Bartender.

Thanks for making my point. Since you didn't name a single popular
chardonnay that was significantly higher in carbs, it sure looks like
the std deviation isn't all that great. And comparing chardonnay to
"1 apple, 20g carbs" doesn't help your case much either Most people
buy a fruit or a vegetable knowing that an average size apple has about
X carbs, or a cup of typical carrots has has Y carbs, without knowing
the exact variety or worrying about how much it might vary from the
norm. If it was to become the mainstay of my diet, then I guess I'd be
more concerned.

Also it's rather strange for a guy hawking the idea of drinking while
dieting to be so concerned about creeping carbs. And yes, I'll keep
making my assumptions and drinking an occasional glass of chardonnay,
while you keep trying to sell books.

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Also it's rather strange for a guy hawking the idea of drinking while
dieting to be so concerned about creeping carbs. And yes, I'll keep
making my assumptions and drinking an occasional glass of chardonnay,
while you keep trying to sell books.

Atkins, Protein Power, South Beach, The Hamptons Diet and more all advocate
the moderate consumption of alcohol.

BTW, I don't have to hawk my books. They sell themselves.

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From Atkins.com:

"Can I drink alcohol now that I am in OWL?

The body burns alcohol for fuel when alcohol is available. So when it
is burning alcohol, your body will not burn fat. This does not stop
weight loss; it simply postpones it. Since the alcohol does not get
stored as glycogen, you immediately get back into lipolysis after the
alcohol is used up. But keep in mind that alcohol consumption may
increase yeast-related symptoms in some people and interfere with
weight loss. If it does not slow your weight loss, an occasional glass
of wine is acceptable once you are out of Induction so long as you
count the carbohydrates in your daily tally....If you have added
alcohol to your regimen and suddenly stop losing weight, discontinue
your alcohol intake.

The Atkins site certainly doesn't advocate it. Instead they say it may
be ok occasionally if you desire to add it, but to treat it with some
caution.

Yes, my point was that the lower the number, they drier it is. I was
wondering if someone could get a sense of the carb content from this
number?

Alice Faber said:

We don't have the "dryness" numbers in the US. It took me a while to
figure them out when I was visiting in Canada. I would *assume* that a 0
chardonnay is lower-carb than a 1 chardonnay, but I don't *know* this.

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Bev

Protein Power doesn't advocate it either and basically says the same thing
about being cautious.

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The Atkins site certainly doesn't advocate it. Instead they say it may
be ok occasionally if you desire to add it, but to treat it with some
caution.

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Bev