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  1. I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I attempted
    to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used whipping cream,
    which was cold right out of the fridge, and a plastic bowl,
    which was room temperature. I also added a little bit of
    cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it, for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And what
    causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    Thanks in advance, Jen Half the people you know are below
    average. -Steven Wright

  2. JLove98905 said:


    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used
    whipping cream, which was cold right out of the fridge,
    and a plastic bowl,

    Ding ding ding! You need a glass bowl. NO plastic.

    nancy

  3. "JLove98905" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped
    cream kind of


    liquified in

    Quoted message said:

    the fridge after I made it. I attempted to re-whip it,
    which didn't work.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    used whipping cream, which was cold right out of the
    fridge, and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I
    also added a little bit of cocoa


    powder

    Quoted message said:

    (unsweetened) to it, for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to


    fall

    Quoted message said:

    flat in the fridge?

    Thanks in advance, Jen Half the people you know are below
    average. -Steven Wright

    Whipped cream doesn't last too long in the refrigerator
    unless you stabilize
    it. If you only need to keep it for a day, using powdered
    sugar (the kind with some corn starch added which would
    be most brands) to sweeten it will work. You can also
    dissolve some gelatin in water and add that to the
    cream before beating it. You can buy whipped cream
    stabilizers at specialty stores and larger markets.
    Some brands are higher in butterfat than others. I have
    noticed that the fat content has been reduced in some
    brands at my market. That combined with
    ultrapasturization shortens the time it will remain
    whipped. Check the labels next time and get the one
    with the highest butter fat content. It whips best when
    very cold and the bowl and utensils are very cold. I
    don't see why a plastic bowl would cause a problem with
    cream, but it is definitely a bad choice for whipping
    egg whites. Of course a glass or ceramic bowel with
    lots of mass will keep the cream cold better than a
    thin plastic bowl.

  4. at Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:02 GMT in
    <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    (JLove98905) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used whipping
    cream, which was cold right out of the fridge, and a
    plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also added a
    little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it, for
    chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    The big key is to use cream marked "heavy cream", not
    "whipping cream". Whipping cream, despite the name, is
    usually not high-fat enough to whip properly and stay
    whipped. Heavy cream usually is. You want 40%+ fat. In
    addition, stay away from ultra-pasteurized which tastes
    somewhat funny and because of the high-temperature
    processing that denatures the cream doesn't whip as well,
    and avoid products containing carrageenan or gums, or any
    other stabilisers. Usually if they're included it's a good
    indication that the cream isn't thick enough on its own
    merits to whip well.

    As others have mentioned, a plastic bowl is also a bad idea,
    especially since the cream may absorb a plasticky flavour
    from it. Better to use a cold bowl, although if you've got
    the real deal (pure, pasteurized, heavy cream) it's not
    really necessary. For chocolate flavour, btw, it's a little
    better to melt some chocolate and whip it into the cream
    just before the cream becomes fully stiff. The chocolate
    will stabilise the cream very well.

    It's also possible, if rewhipping didn't work, that you
    overwhipped it and the cream separated into curds and whey.
    Did it return to an even fluid or did it become a mass of
    lumps in a watery liquid? If the latter, you overwhipped it.
    It's easy to do this with whipping cream, because it may
    *never* whip fully stiff and you might well continue
    whipping in a futile attempt to achieve a state it's never
    going to have.

    --
    Alex Rast [email hidden] (remove d., .7,
    not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  5. "JLove98905" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped
    cream kind of


    liquified in

    Quoted message said:

    the fridge after I made it. I attempted to re-whip it,
    which didn't work.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    used whipping cream, which was cold right out of the
    fridge, and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I
    also added a little bit of cocoa


    powder

    Quoted message said:

    (unsweetened) to it, for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to


    fall

    Quoted message said:

    flat in the fridge?

    Jen, I often use chocolate whipped cream to frost a cake a
    like to make. I do make it in a plastic bowl, but a very
    chilled plastic bowl. Also, I make sure every utensil I'm
    going to use is cold. I put beaters, spatulas, etc. in the
    freezer at least 30 minutes before hand.

    To make 2 cups of the chocolate whipped cream, I use 1 cup
    heavy cream, very cold, 1/4 cup powdered sugar, 1 tsp
    vanilla, 1 tbs light corn syrup (I use Karo), 1/8 tsp salt,
    and 1 1/2 Tablespoons dutch-processed cocoa powder. I mix
    everything together, ahead of time, in my bowl and then put
    it all back in the fridge to chill at least 3-4 hours. The
    colder the fridge is, the better. Once the mixture is very
    cold, I beat with the chilled beaters until stiff peaks
    start to form. This tends to hold up very well, and I've had
    it hold as long as 3-4 days.

    HTH, DRB

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (JLove98905) said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used
    whipping cream, which was cold right out of the fridge,
    and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also
    added a little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it,
    for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    Thanks in advance, Jen Half the people you know are below
    average. -Steven Wright

    Make it easy on yourself:

    creamright.comcreamright.com

    K.

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  7. On 22 Jun 2004 23:19:02 GMT, [email hidden] (JLove98905)

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used whipping
    cream, which was cold right out of the fridge, and a
    plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also added a
    little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it, for
    chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    Put a glass, ceramic, or metal bowl and your beater/whisk in
    the 'fridge for 15 minutes or more. Use cream with the
    highest butterfat content you can find. If you can't find
    butterfat listed on the cartont it will be the most
    expensive. Avoid 'ultrapasturized' if you can.

    Whipped cream is a temporary sort of arrangement. As one
    reference has it, after whipping, the fat wants to become
    butter, the water wants to leak out (weep), and the air
    wants to join with the air in the room.

    Stabilizers like gelatin and other commercial products will
    help keep whipped cream closer to its original condition.

    You can re-whip it after it's "gone flat".

  8. JLove98905 said:


    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream?

    Making it just before it's used rather than making it far in
    advance and storing it.

    Quoted message said:

    And what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    Consider the cans. They make the foam the second before it
    is used. Now consider the tubs and read the ingredients. To
    keep the foam intact they use a miasma of chemicals most
    folks can't pronounce.

    You could add all sorts of chemcials to keep the foam, but
    the better solution is just-in-time manufacturing. Make it
    just before it is used.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Nancy Young
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:


    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Vox Humana wrote:

    > I don't see why a plastic bowl would cause a problem
    > with
    >cream, but it is definitely a bad choice for whipping
    > egg whites.

    Plastic hangs onto fats, which will kill beating egg
    whites. Forget plastic bowls for this purpose.

    I think we are on the same page here.

    Plastics won't get as cold as glass, I wouldn't go there.
    Plus they hang onto ickies. Not good for whipping stuff. I
    don't think it's just my opinion. I think it's true, from
    everything I've read. Sorry that I drifted.

    I've had a Kenwood Chef for thirty years with a plastic
    bowl. Egg whites and cream whip beautifully in it, though
    not as well as in the KitchenAid's metal bowl.

    Was it heavy cream, as it's jokingly called in the US?

    You really don't need additives if the cream is good, but I
    find it impossible to buy good cream in the US - are there
    any artisanal dairies I missed?

    Quoted message said:


    nancy

    --
    Jane Lumley

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, Bob (this
    one) <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    You can't buy cream with fat content like that in the US
    and I don't see it very often in Europe either, unless
    you're getting it from the dairy directly.

    I dunno where you've been in Europe, but every supermarket
    here in England stocks double cream at over 40% fat.

    --
    Jane Lumley

  11. "JLove98905" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped
    cream kind of


    liquified in

    Quoted message said:

    the fridge after I made it. I attempted to re-whip it,
    which didn't work.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    used whipping cream, which was cold right out of the
    fridge, and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I
    also added a little bit of cocoa


    powder

    Quoted message said:

    (unsweetened) to it, for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to


    fall

    Quoted message said:

    flat in the fridge?

    Thanks in advance, Jen Half the people you know are below
    average. -Steven Wright

    How long was it in the fridge? Eventually, all of it will
    deflate. For the best chances of keeping it for a period of
    time you can either go with a higher fat whipping cream or
    use a stabilizer, such as gelatin or powdered sugar
    (powdered sugar contains a small amount of cornstarch) or
    combination. If you're going to use it within 24 hours, I
    would go with a higher fat whipping cream. Whip to soft
    peaks, then add powdered sugar (approx 1 tbsp to 1 cup
    cream). I'm not sure where you're located, but if you have a
    Smart & Final near you, they carry manufacturer's cream,
    which is the best for whipping. It is the kind used by
    pastry chefs, and has a higher butterfat content than
    anything in the grocery stores. The next best I've found is
    Trader Joe's heavy whipping cream. Also make sure you're not
    using light whipping cream...it will never hold up for
    longer than a couple hours. Also, no plastic bowls! Chill
    the cream, a stainless steel or copper bowl, and the whisk
    attachment for your mixer or a hand whisk in the freezer for
    15-20 minutes before whipping. Whip to soft peaks, add
    sweetener (sugar, powdered sugar, etc) and cocoa if using
    and whip to firm peaks. When I use the manufacturer's cream
    this mixture will last 48 hours.

    kimberly

  12. Vox Humana said:

    I don't see why a plastic bowl would cause a problem with
    cream, but it is definitely a bad choice for whipping egg
    whites.

    Plastic hangs onto fats, which will kill beating egg whites.
    Forget plastic bowls for this purpose.

    nancy

  13. [email hidden] :

    || Of course a glass or ceramic bowel with lots of mass
    || will keep the cream cold better than a thin plastic
    ||

    The mind boggles!

    --
    "Pooh," said Rabbit kindly, "you haven't any brain." "I
    know," said Pooh humbly.

  14. Quoted message said:

    (JLove98905) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used
    whipping cream, which was cold right out of the fridge,
    and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also
    added a little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it,
    for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?



    TIPS ON WHIPPING CREAM

    a.. Be sure to chill a metal bowl, beaters, or the whisk
    you'll use to whip the cream in your freezer, about 15
    minutes for best results. You'll find the cream will
    whip faster and more fully. If, however, you don't have
    time to chill the bowl, you can immerse it in a larger
    bowl filled with ice water and proceed as usual.
    b.. Use powdered (confectioner's sugar) to sweeten cream-
    it not only dissolves quickly, but also helps stabilize
    the whipped cream due the fact it contains cornstarch.
    c.. If you accidentally over beat heavy or whipping cream
    so much so that it begins to turn buttery, gently stir
    in additional cream, 1 tablespoon at a time. Don't
    "beat" the cream again or you'll be right back where
    you began.
    d.. Remember to use a bowl that's deep enough, keeping in
    mind the cream will double in volume when it's whipped.
    e.. Decrease the instances of splattering by gradually
    increasing the speed of the mixer from low to high. You
    can also protect yourself and your clothes by draping a
    kitchen towel over the bowl of an electric standing
    mixer to catch any fly away cream.
    f.. A small amount of cream (less than 1 cup) will
    whip better in a deep narrow bowl than one that's
    large and wide.
    g.. You'll get more volume from whipped cream if you hold
    off adding sugar or flavorings like vanilla or liqueurs
    until the cream has been whipped to soft peaks.

  15. Vox Humana said:

    Of course a glass or ceramic bowel with lots of mass will
    keep the cream cold better than a thin plastic bowl.

    heh !
    ( Ithink i'll pass ! 🙂

  16. Alex Rast said:

    at Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:02 GMT in <20040622191902.13589.00000413@mb-
    m12.aol.com>, [email hidden] (JLove98905) wrote
    :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used
    whipping cream, which was cold right out of the fridge,
    and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also
    added a little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it,
    for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    The big key is to use cream marked "heavy cream", not
    "whipping cream". Whipping cream, despite the name, is
    usually not high-fat enough to whip properly and stay
    whipped.

    Of course it is. Millions of gallons of it are whipped
    every day.

    Quoted message said:

    Heavy cream usually is. You want 40%+ fat.

    You can't buy cream with fat content like that in the US and
    I don't see it very often in Europe either, unless you're
    getting it from the dairy directly. Commercial creams for
    whipping that are sold at retail are 30% or 36%. Foodservice
    operators can get 40% cream.

    Quoted message said:

    In addition, stay away from ultra-pasteurized which tastes
    somewhat funny and because of the high-temperature
    processing that denatures the cream doesn't whip as well,
    and avoid products containing carrageenan or gums, or any
    other stabilisers. Usually if they're included it's a good
    indication that the cream isn't thick enough on its own
    merits to whip well.

    It's all but impossible to stay away from ultrapasteurized
    cream if you're buying it in supermarkets. It will whip just
    fine and the gums will help stabilize it. Thickness is a
    function of total milkfat and temperature. Cold=thick.

    Quoted message said:

    As others have mentioned, a plastic bowl is also a bad
    idea, especially since the cream may absorb a plasticky
    flavour from it.

    "...a plasticky flavor..." Right. Like food-safe plastics
    have any flavor at all.

    Quoted message said:

    Better to use a cold bowl, although if you've got the real
    deal (pure, pasteurized, heavy cream) it's not really
    necessary.

    Milkfat will *always* whip better cold.

    Quoted message said:

    For chocolate flavour, btw, it's a little better to melt
    some chocolate and whip it into the cream just before the
    cream becomes fully stiff. The chocolate will stabilise
    the cream very well.

    And warm it nicely to help it deflate.

    Quoted message said:

    It's also possible, if rewhipping didn't work, that you
    overwhipped it and the cream separated into curds and
    whey. Did it return to an even fluid

    Cream that has been whipped to any sort of peaks won't
    return to a liquid. Overwhipping cream won't get curds and
    whey; it'll get butter and buttermilk.

    Quoted message said:

    or did it become a mass of lumps in a watery liquid? If
    the latter, you overwhipped it.

    That's called butter.

    Quoted message said:

    It's easy to do this with whipping cream, because it may
    *never* whip fully stiff and you might well continue
    whipping in a futile attempt to achieve a state it's never
    going to have.

    This is plain silly. If you want a good stiff whipped cream,
    whip it in a cold bowl - metal or glass - add sugar or not,
    until it holds an upright peak. Scrape it into a strainer
    and put that over a bowl to drain. Put the whole thing into
    the fridge. You'll get a small, watery puddle in the bottom
    of the bowl and the cream will stay whipped and get a nice
    density. For a chocolate flavor, combine cocoa powder with a
    bit of liquid sugar (corn syrup or simple syrup) and whip it
    into the cream. A bit of confectioners' sugar can help
    stabilize it, but I don't like to use commercial stuff
    because of the corn starch and that slight grittiness from
    it. The starch will hydrate some, but it doesn't add
    anything useful to the cream since it doesn't gelatinize
    without cooking. I take plain table sugar and run it through
    my processor until it's fine.

    Pastorio

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Alex Rast) said:

    at Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:02 GMT in <20040622191902.13589.00000413@mb-
    m12.aol.com>, [email hidden] (JLove98905) wrote
    :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, but my whipped cream
    kind of liquified in the fridge after I made it. I
    attempted to re-whip it, which didn't work. I used
    whipping cream, which was cold right out of the fridge,
    and a plastic bowl, which was room temperature. I also
    added a little bit of cocoa powder (unsweetened) to it,
    for chocolate flavor.

    What's the key to getting good stiff whipped cream? And
    what causes it to fall flat in the fridge?

    The big key is to use cream marked "heavy cream", not
    "whipping cream". Whipping cream, despite the name, is
    usually not high-fat enough to whip properly and stay
    whipped. Heavy cream usually is. You want 40%+ fat. In
    addition, stay away from ultra-pasteurized which tastes
    somewhat funny and because of the high-temperature
    processing that denatures the cream doesn't whip as well,
    and avoid products containing carrageenan or gums, or any
    other stabilisers. Usually if they're included it's a good
    indication that the cream isn't thick enough on its own
    merits to whip well.

    As others have mentioned, a plastic bowl is also a bad
    idea, especially since the cream may absorb a plasticky
    flavour from it. Better to use a cold bowl, although if
    you've got the real deal (pure, pasteurized, heavy cream)
    it's not really necessary. For chocolate flavour, btw,
    it's a little better to melt some chocolate and whip it
    into the cream just before the cream becomes fully stiff.
    The chocolate will stabilise the cream very well.

    It's also possible, if rewhipping didn't work, that you
    overwhipped it and the cream separated into curds and
    whey. Did it return to an even fluid or did it become a
    mass of lumps in a watery liquid? If the latter, you
    overwhipped it. It's easy to do this with whipping cream,
    because it may *never* whip fully stiff and you might well
    continue whipping in a futile attempt to achieve a state
    it's never going to have.

    I gave up whipping cream with beaters long ago. :-)

    I purchased a gas cream whipper and buy the nitrous charges
    for it. I fill the bottle with heavy cream and some splena,
    slap in an N2O cartrige and just store the bottle in the
    refrigerator...

    Makes fresh whipped cream as needed!

    This is one of the cheapest sites on the 'net to buy
    the stuff, and the proprieter is a wonderful guy.
    Excellent and FAST customer service!!! The charges are
    cheapest by the case.

    creamright.comcreamright.com

    K.

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  18. "august" observed:

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    || Of course a glass or ceramic bowel with lots of mass
    || will keep the cream cold


    better

    Quoted message said:

    || than a thin plastic
    ||

    The mind boggles!

    I don't doubt that.

  19. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    I don't see why a plastic bowl would cause a problem with
    cream, but it is definitely a bad choice for whipping egg
    whites.

    Plastic hangs onto fats, which will kill beating egg
    whites. Forget plastic bowls for this purpose.

    I think we are on the same page here.

  20. "august" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] :

    || Of course a glass or ceramic bowel with lots of mass
    || will keep the cream cold


    better

    Quoted message said:

    || than a thin plastic
    ||

    The mind boggles!

    Hey, it's been a bad day. What can I say!!

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