Whip it out!

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

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My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
takes to unlock.

3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.

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with the same email addresses in the feedback on this one.

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burt said:

"Vødkäjéllÿ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180079958753&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:UK:1

call me an old cynic, but there seem to be quite a few satisfied
customers with the same email addresses in the feedback on this one.

You old cyninc :-)
Maybe they bought for the whole family?

Quoted message said:

I have a spare barge pole for objects like this for anyone who
doesn't have their own. Buy it on ebay now, only £999.99 guaranteed high
quality,
high tech and will fit neatly on any barge. Decorative only. Not
suitable for barges.

:-)

Martin Dann said:

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam lovely spam wonderful spam.

My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
takes to unlock.

3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.

It might be ok for nipping in to a shop maybe?

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

Quoted message said:

My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
takes to unlock.

3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.

It might be ok for nipping in to a shop maybe?

A cable lock can be cut by basic pliars without much force in seconds.
I expect that lock can be cut by scissors.

Tom Crispin wrote on 04/02/2007 08:26 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

Quoted message said:

My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
takes to unlock.

3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.

It might be ok for nipping in to a shop maybe?

A cable lock can be cut by basic pliars without much force in seconds.
I expect that lock can be cut by scissors.

I colleague had their bike stolen last week. It was locked with a
reasonably beefy cable lock of the type that has a pin that slides into
a 4 barrel combination lock. What is interesting is that the pin has
been cleanly sheared inside the lock at the first barrel. There is no
evidence of a big hit on the outside but the speed and quietness with
which the bike was taken indicate it was deliberate rather than a fluke
failure of the pin. I've been trying to think how they might have done it.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:09:33 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tom Crispin wrote on 04/02/2007 08:26 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

> My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
> takes to unlock.
>
> 3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.
It might be ok for nipping in to a shop maybe?

A cable lock can be cut by basic pliars without much force in seconds.
I expect that lock can be cut by scissors.

I colleague had their bike stolen last week. It was locked with a
reasonably beefy cable lock of the type that has a pin that slides into
a 4 barrel combination lock. What is interesting is that the pin has
been cleanly sheared inside the lock at the first barrel. There is no
evidence of a big hit on the outside but the speed and quietness with
which the bike was taken indicate it was deliberate rather than a fluke
failure of the pin. I've been trying to think how they might have done it.

I use 3m lengths of 6mm galvanised steel anchor chain to lock up
children's bikes. With two Abus 6mm padlocks I can secure 10-15
bikes. The chain costs £2.49 per metre and the padlocks £3.80 each.

A 1 metre chain and lock would cost £6.29, and, I feel, better
security than any lock wiggle has to offer for under £15.

Bolt cutters will cut the chain with ease, but now we're in the realm
of professional thieves rather than amateurs.

Tony Raven said:

I colleague had their bike stolen last week. It was locked with a
reasonably beefy cable lock of the type that has a pin that slides into
a 4 barrel combination lock. What is interesting is that the pin has
been cleanly sheared inside the lock at the first barrel. There is no
evidence of a big hit on the outside but the speed and quietness with
which the bike was taken indicate it was deliberate rather than a fluke
failure of the pin. I've been trying to think how they might have done it.

Liquid nitrogen making the metal brittle? (No idea if this would world
on the metal in question) Some kind of strike to the side, or
'irresistable force' applied to the pin would probably work though:
perhaps a pair of pilers around the head of the pin used as a lever to
break the pin? (You could stand on the arms of the pliers perhaps...)

I cut through one of the locks you describe with the wire cutters on
my leatherman in about 2 minutes when I realised I'd forgotton the key
to the lock & needed the item in question -- an object lesson in their
real security. Unfortunately I've thrown away the lock mechanism, so I
can't try out any suggested descructive techiques on the metal pin &
lock barrel!

D-locks with disc-key lock mechanisms are probably about the most
secure bike locks I believe, but I'm not sure anything will stand up
to a thief armed with an angle grinder!

Phil

--
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

D-locks with disc-key lock mechanisms are probably about the most

secure bike locks I believe, but I'm not sure anything will stand up
to a thief armed with an angle grinder!

Forget angle grinder-its amazing what you can use to break locked bikes.

Took my recumbent trike to Berlin this summer.I locked the wheels to
the frame with a flexible cable lock.
Unpacked the bike in the street went to unlock the wheels-key in my
house in Scotland.

Borrowed a small sharp knife and a 95 pence junior hack-saw.Cut the
plastic cover off the cable and sawed away at the 3/8 cable-by bending
and sawing the cable alternately I sawed through the cable in less
than 5 minutes.

I always secure my trike with a U-lock and a big flexi through both
front wheels when left in the street overnight-abroad.I keep it in the
garage at home.
Every one of 3 uprights has been stolen in Berlin over the years
ranging from a trash £30 monster to a deliberately badly hand painted
£200 second hand machine.
Perhaps the trike is to exoticto steal-so far!.
Tom

Phil Armstrong wrote on 04/02/2007 11:03 +0100:

Quoted message said:

D-locks with disc-key lock mechanisms are probably about the most
secure bike locks I believe, but I'm not sure anything will stand up
to a thief armed with an angle grinder!

Those aren't the ones you can open with a Bic pen are they?

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Tom Crispin said:

I use 3m lengths of 6mm galvanised steel anchor chain to lock up
children's bikes. With two Abus 6mm padlocks I can secure 10-15
bikes. The chain costs £2.49 per metre and the padlocks £3.80 each.

Lock picking is one of my hobbies. You would not believe how quickly I can
shim open locks that spring open when the key is turned, but suffice to say
it is probably quicker than you could open the same lock with a key. When
choosing padlocks do not buy any that do not need a key to lock them as any
of the "snap shut" type can be snapped open just as quickly.

Have a look at

to see shimming in
action

With padlocks, as with bikes, you really do get what you pay for.

Tom
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http://www.happy-penguin.info/address.jpg

Tom said:

Tom Crispin said:

I use 3m lengths of 6mm galvanised steel anchor chain to lock up
children's bikes. With two Abus 6mm padlocks I can secure 10-15
bikes. The chain costs £2.49 per metre and the padlocks £3.80 each.

Lock picking is one of my hobbies. You would not believe how quickly I can
shim open locks that spring open when the key is turned, but suffice to say
it is probably quicker than you could open the same lock with a key. When
choosing padlocks do not buy any that do not need a key to lock them as any
of the "snap shut" type can be snapped open just as quickly.

Have a look at

to see shimming in
action

With padlocks, as with bikes, you really do get what you pay for.

It looks like I'll be upgrading my padlocks. Have you a
recommendation?

Here's some of my bikes.

http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/bikes

In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Dann
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam lovely spam wonderful spam.

My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
takes to unlock.

But I bet it would really sting if you used it to whip a chav about the
head.

Tom Crispin said:

It looks like I'll be upgrading my padlocks. Have you a
recommendation?

Any of the Medico Chubb padlocks on this page

http://www.safelocks.co.uk/acatalog/Chubb_padlocks.html

Good quality locks at a fair price (and absolute ba*tards to pick, I've
been trying one I bought for months and haven't managed it yet)

Tom

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Phil Armstrong wrote on 04/02/2007 11:03 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Liquid nitrogen making the metal brittle? (No idea if this would world
on the metal in question) Some kind of strike to the side, or
'irresistable force' applied to the pin would probably work though:
perhaps a pair of pilers around the head of the pin used as a lever to
break the pin? (You could stand on the arms of the pliers perhaps...)

None of those would work as the fracture is actually recessed inside an
undamaged lock barrel. i.e. if you peer into the end of the lock barrel
you can see the end of the pin still locked in by the combination lock
while the other end has about 5-10mm of the other half of the pin
attached as normal.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Tony Raven said:

Phil Armstrong wrote on 04/02/2007 11:03 +0100:

Quoted message said:

D-locks with disc-key lock mechanisms are probably about the most
secure bike locks I believe, but I'm not sure anything will stand up
to a thief armed with an angle grinder!

Those aren't the ones you can open with a Bic pen are they?

No, that's these things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubular_pin_tumbler_lock
which indeed can often be opened with a bic pen...

I meant this sort:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock
which are a bit better.

I understand that some D-locks will fail if you use the body of the
bike as a lever, so have been advised to only ever lock the bike
through the rear stays rather than the main frame triangle -- saves
the buggers ruining your frame trying it out...

Phil

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In article <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Phil Armstrong wrote on 04/02/2007 11:03 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Liquid nitrogen making the metal brittle? (No idea if this would world
on the metal in question) Some kind of strike to the side, or
'irresistable force' applied to the pin would probably work though:
perhaps a pair of pilers around the head of the pin used as a lever to
break the pin? (You could stand on the arms of the pliers perhaps...)

None of those would work as the fracture is actually recessed inside an
undamaged lock barrel. i.e. if you peer into the end of the lock barrel
you can see the end of the pin still locked in by the combination lock
while the other end has about 5-10mm of the other half of the pin
attached as normal.

That will be because the pin broke where it is weakened by the groove
that the latch fits into, which is recessed in the lock body.

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Tom Crispin wrote on 04/02/2007 08:26 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Vødkäjéllÿ said:

> My brake cable cutters could probably snip through that faster than it
> takes to unlock.
>
> 3 digit combination could probably be picked in a few minutes.
It might be ok for nipping in to a shop maybe?

A cable lock can be cut by basic pliars without much force in seconds.
I expect that lock can be cut by scissors.

I colleague had their bike stolen last week. It was locked with a
reasonably beefy cable lock of the type that has a pin that slides into a
4 barrel combination lock. What is interesting is that the pin has been
cleanly sheared inside the lock at the first barrel. There is no evidence
of a big hit on the outside but the speed and quietness with which the
bike was taken indicate it was deliberate rather than a fluke failure of
the pin. I've been trying to think how they might have done it.

2 pairs of large mole wrenches locked on to both parts of the lock at 90
degrees and a twisting motion could shear the pin inside the lock.
's possible

Tom Crispin said:

Quoted message said:

With padlocks, as with bikes, you really do get what you pay for.

It looks like I'll be upgrading my padlocks. Have you a
recommendation?

Abus Diskus:

<http://www.acelock.com/abusDiskus.htm>