Which Fenders?

Duncan Smith said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

Should the fender width be 10 or even 15mm wider than the tyre you
plan to house in it?

That helps (prevents splashing; makes centering less critical), but
sometimes there won't be room, depending on frame and tyres. A mudguard
(fender) that's hardly any wider than the tyre will still provide a useful
amount of protection.

Reasons to deliberately get narrow guards include weight saving, and maybe
minimising aero drag. Otherwise get the widest ones that will fit.

Quoted message said:

I have a disc brake (bb7) on the front that looks like it will
interfere with the fender's stays. Could one stay be removed, or
should I look for a solution that is designed for disc brakes?

Any advice on makes? So far I've found these three have cropped up in
research, but only the Zefal seem to be stocked in the UK, and then in
a bewildering range of shapes and sizes.

BERTHOUD - http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fenders.asp
Freddy Fenders - http://ecom1.planetbike.com/fenders.html
Zefal -
http://www.fisheroutdoor.co.uk/public/index.php/product/mudguards/zefalmudguards/

SKS

~PB

Quoted message said:

Reasons to deliberately get narrow guards include weight saving, and
maybe minimising aero drag.

You forgot the most important reason: aesthetics!

--
Mark T

Duncan Smith said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

Should the fender width be 10 or even 15mm wider than the tyre you
plan to house in it?

SKS seem to recommend at least 7mm wider.

http://www.sks-germany.de/sks.php?l=en&a=product&i=6409800121

I like SKS mudguards, I've got P45 on the road bike and P65 to use on
the MTB when it is hybrid mode. They are available from all the usual
suspects online.

Matt

Mark T said:

Quoted message said:

Reasons to deliberately get narrow guards include weight saving, and
maybe minimising aero drag.

You forgot the most important reason: aesthetics!

Well yeah, except if you really care about that, you don't have mudguards at
all and get a wet [censored] :-)

~PB

I much prefer the Am Strat to the Mexican Strat. It seems to have a
nicer sound.

They make not bad amps as well.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Pete Biggs said:

Mark T said:

Quoted message said:

Reasons to deliberately get narrow guards include weight saving, and
maybe minimising aero drag.

Quoted message said:

You forgot the most important reason: aesthetics!

Well yeah, except if you really care about that, you don't have mudguards at
all and get a wet [censored] :-)

~PB

Personally I don't find a wet [censored] aesthetically pleasing, nor is a
big muddy stripe up the back of a jacket

Pete Biggs said:

SKS

Definitely worth it 🙂

As for stays and disc brakes, it can be done but you may need to use a
clamp around the left side fork leg (Cateye do a whole range of sizes
of clamps) and a bit of careful stay manipulation.

Duncan Smith said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).
Any advice on makes?

Wilkinsons do some for a couple of quid which are still going strong
on my bike after a year of daily commuting. I was glad of them this
morning.

POHB said:

Personally I don't find a wet [censored] aesthetically pleasing, nor is a
big muddy stripe up the back of a jacket

No, that's ascetically pleasing ;-)

Tony

squeaker said:

Pete Biggs said:

SKS

Definitely worth it 🙂

As for stays and disc brakes, it can be done but you may need to use a
clamp around the left side fork leg (Cateye do a whole range of sizes
of clamps) and a bit of careful stay manipulation.

Sounds like a plan, do you have a link to a suitable clamp? I presume
it just grips around the fork leg, and the bent/cut stay is then
secured to the clamp?

Thanks,

Duncan

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Quoted message said:

squeaker said:

Pete Biggs said:

SKS

Definitely worth it 🙂

As for stays and disc brakes, it can be done but you may need to use a
clamp around the left side fork leg (Cateye do a whole range of sizes
of clamps) and a bit of careful stay manipulation.

Sounds like a plan, do you have a link to a suitable clamp? I presume
it just grips around the fork leg, and the bent/cut stay is then
secured to the clamp?

They're called P-clips: http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/5019328378307
They're also used on brake hoses and the like, so a car parts place or
hydraulic components supplier might have the size you need if your local
bike shop or B&Q type place doesn't.

Quoted message said:

I have a disc brake (bb7) on the front that looks like it will
interfere with the fender's stays. Could one stay be removed, or
should I look for a solution that is designed for disc brakes?

I have a pair of SKS mudguards on my Kona Sutra which has Avid disc
brakes (not sure if they are bb5 or bb7). The stays that came with the
mudguards are longer than necessary and you have to cut them down to the
right length after fitting the mudguards. Putting a little dog leg bend
in the bottom of the stay worked for me.

I fitted the black mudguards which I think helps some with the
aesthetics. 🙂

BraileTrail
--

Paul Boyd said:

I much prefer the Am Strat to the Mexican Strat. It seems to have a
nicer sound.

They make not bad amps as well.

Hmm. (Strokes chin thoughtfully)

It occurs to me that perhaps Mr Smith
should have said "mudguards", but sadly
lapsed into a colonialism.

BugBear

I grew up knowing that a fender was a brass ( usually) surround to an open
fire hearth -- I know I am right because it was a weekly job of mine, as a
preteen boy, to clean and polish it with brasso.

I presume you are talking about mudguards!

(or don't you have a boot on your car!)

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.

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Quoted message said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

Should the fender width be 10 or even 15mm wider than the tyre you
plan to house in it?

I have a disc brake (bb7) on the front that looks like it will
interfere with the fender's stays. Could one stay be removed, or
should I look for a solution that is designed for disc brakes?

Any advice on makes? So far I've found these three have cropped up in
research, but only the Zefal seem to be stocked in the UK, and then in
a bewildering range of shapes and sizes.

BERTHOUD - http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fenders.asp
Freddy Fenders - http://ecom1.planetbike.com/fenders.html
Zefal -
http://www.fisheroutdoor.co.uk/public/index.php/product/mudguards/zefalmudguards/

TIA,

Duncan

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Quoted message said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

What on earth are 'fenders'?

Alan Holmes said:

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Quoted message said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

What on earth are 'fenders'?

http://www.fender.com/

HTH HAND

Chris
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Chris Eilbeck

On Aug 14, 7:13 pm, "Trevor A Panther" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I grew up knowing that a fender was a brass ( usually) surround to an open
fire hearth -- I know I am right because it was a weekly job of mine, as a
preteen boy, to clean and polish it with brasso.

I presume you are talking about mudguards!

(or don't you have a boot on your car!)

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.

"Duncan Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Having ordered a nice new roomy frame, I'm now able to think about
full fenders (700c) and mud flaps (ready for the next rainy season).

Quoted message said:

Should the fender width be 10 or even 15mm wider than the tyre you
plan to house in it?

Quoted message said:

I have a disc brake (bb7) on the front that looks like it will
interfere with the fender's stays. Could one stay be removed, or
should I look for a solution that is designed for disc brakes?

Quoted message said:

Any advice on makes? So far I've found these three have cropped up in
research, but only the Zefal seem to be stocked in the UK, and then in
a bewildering range of shapes and sizes.

Quoted message said:

BERTHOUD -http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fenders.asp
Freddy Fenders -http://ecom1.planetbike.com/fenders.html
Zefal -
http://www.fisheroutdoor.co.uk/public/index.php/product/mudguards/zef...

Quoted message said:

TIA,

Quoted message said:

Duncan

Yep, I'm with the US on this one. Fender is a good word, much better
than mudguard.

Duncan Smith said:

Yep, I'm with the US on this one. Fender is a good word, much better
than mudguard.

As a word it may be more aesthetically pleasing, but it doesn't tell you
very much. Since they use the same word for a car's bumpers too,
perhaps they should have called them Gibsons instead for an equally
musically evocative word that doesn't also mean something entirely
different on a different vehicle...

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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