Which cantilever brakes?

chris French said:

Question is what to go for, any recommendations?

Avid Shortys are good canti's. Not *too* expensive and they stop you.

Simonb

I wouldn't bother. Get a new bike, or a newer second hand bike. I wouldn't feel confident about
riding a bike that old. A girl I know had a complete collapse of an old Raleigh Tourer under her
last year. Fortunately she wasn't hurt.

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chris French said:

Question is what to go for, any recommendations?

Avid Shortys are good canti's. Not *too* expensive and they stop you.

Simonb

Avids are indeed nice. Not only do they stop you, they are easy to set up and offer good clearance
for racks, panniers, and heels.
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mark

On my old(1987) MTB I had a Deore Cantis which were better than any of the Cantis fitted to my mates
newer MTBs. They also locked the wheel in comparable times to their V-brakes. The Deores were
significantly wider than more modern V-brakes, don't know if this makes any difference. I had Mavic
rims and Aztec blocks. Might be an idea to keep the bike 'in period' by fitting old kit.

Co-incidentally I have been considering taking my tourer to Bob Jacksons for a refurb.

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My trusty old ( at least 20 years) tourer (a much modified Claud butler Dasleman - as is the way
with bikes) is looking rather the worse for wear - mostly just knackered paint work, though the
top tube has a nasty dent.

I'm considering a winter refurbishment, sending it off to be repainted (probably by Bob Jacksons
in Leeds). It's still running the Weinmann centre pull brakes, which are ok but not brilliant. ,
so I thought I'd consider getting suitable bits brazed on and sticking on some cantilevers
(nothing like keeping up with modern advances in cycle technology).

Question is what to go for, any recommendations? (doesn't have to be new, I'm happy to, look
around for old or second-hand stuff if it's worth it) Though I don't get to do a much heavily
loaded touring at the mo' that is the potential use I'm looking at.

I did consider a new bike of frame, but , firstly I can't afford it right now, and secondly I'm
plotting the eventual acquisition of a rather more laid back style of bike :-)) - though I've been
doing that for many years :-(
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Chris French, Leeds

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On my old(1987) MTB I had a Deore Cantis which were better than any of the Cantis fitted to my
mates newer MTBs. They also locked the wheel in comparable times to their V-brakes. The Deores were
significantly wider than more modern V-brakes, don't know if this makes any difference.

The shape of the cantis does indeed make a difference. Earlier canti's were 'wider' - the top arms
were at more of an angle and stuck out more. as time went on, they became more 'upright' - these
were termed low profile - eventually ending up as 'V' brakes I guess. These were ok on MTB's but
weren't so good on dropped bar bikes as they suffered froma similar problem of 'V ' brakes in the
amount of cable travel needed.

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Might be an idea to keep the bike 'in period' by fitting old kit.

Nah, not bothered about that, I like havng decent brakes, indexed gears etc. :-)
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Chris French, Leeds

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chris French said:

Question is what to go for, any recommendations?

Avid Shortys are good canti's. Not *too* expensive and they stop you.

Simonb

Avids are indeed nice. Not only do they stop you, they are easy to set up and offer good clearance
for racks, panniers, and heels.

Do these work all right with drop bar levers?
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The Deores were significantly wider than more modern V-brakes, don't know if this makes any
difference.

Probably the move to "low profile" cantis reduced their effectiveness.

Pete

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I wouldn't bother. Get a new bike, or a newer second hand bike. I wouldn't feel confident about
riding a bike that old. A girl I know had

a

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complete collapse of an old Raleigh Tourer under her last year.

Fortunately

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she wasn't hurt.

Bugger. That would mean I would have to scrap half my fleet.

No chance. I'm more confident that my 20 year old Galaxy and 40 year old Moulton will see me into
retirement (still some 15 years away) than I am about my relatively new alloy bikes.

Steel lasts a lifetime if looked after.

T

chris French said:

My trusty old ( at least 20 years) tourer (a much modified Claud butler Dasleman

I have a 1985 Super Dalesman :-)

Do you actually tour on it? Dual-pivot sidepulls might fit without modification (or might not).
Cantis are good, though.

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My trusty old ( at least 20 years) tourer (a much modified Claud butler Dasleman - as is the way
with bikes) is looking rather the worse for wear - mostly just knackered paint work, though the
top tube has a nasty dent.

I'm considering a winter refurbishment, sending it off to be repainted (probably by Bob Jacksons
in Leeds). It's still running the Weinmann centre pull brakes, which are ok but not brilliant. ,
so I thought I'd consider getting suitable bits brazed on and sticking on some cantilevers
(nothing like keeping up with modern advances in cycle technology).

Question is what to go for, any recommendations? (doesn't have to be new, I'm happy to, look
around for old or second-hand stuff if it's worth it) Though I don't get to do a much heavily
loaded touring at the mo' that is the potential use I'm looking at.

I did consider a new bike of frame, but , firstly I can't afford it right now, and secondly I'm
plotting the eventual acquisition of a rather more laid back style of bike :-)) - though I've been
doing that for many years :-(
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Chris French, Leeds

I also upgraded (my 20 year old Galaxy) with Avid Shorty brakes, and I was amazed at the
improved braking.

I have them working with Shimano Ultegra levers (non STi) on drop bars - no problems. I am very
pleased with the setup and I would recommend it to you. Good luck

Emyr

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chris French said:

My trusty old ( at least 20 years) tourer (a much modified Claud butler Dasleman

I have a 1985 Super Dalesman :-)

I thought so.

I'm not sure of the exact age. I got it from a friend of mine in 1988 or
89. He had it before he went to uni so that would make it at least 1983.

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Do you actually tour on it?

Yes. Well TBH, I haven't really done any for the last few years since we had a sprog but before that
it had been used for a number of camping tours as well a weekend hostelling trips etc. The most it's
had recently has been the odd day ride though.

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Dual-pivot sidepulls might fit without modification (or might not). Cantis are good, though.

I did consider that, I thought about getting another tourer better suited to heavily loaded stuff
and then using this for a 'Audax' type machine. but I don't expect to be doing much heavily loaded
stuff for a while anyway. The frame really does need a seeing to, so now is the time to upgrade it.

When to comes to spending on other bikes there are other things in the frame. A tandem would be
good, and I want to have a play on the Dark side. not that there is really money around for either
just at the moment. I have been perusing the Dutch Speedbike' s website about their 'kit' again
though. Maybe I'll just keep an eye open for a suitable donor - just in case..... :-)
--
Chris French, Leeds

Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee said:

I wouldn't bother. Get a new bike

Why? I know people still riding bikes which are over 50 years old. The Dalesman was a well-made
bike, hand brazed 531 (said he checking the frame transfers on his Dalesman), and should last more
or less for ever.

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Do these work all right with drop bar levers?
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Mine work well with Dia Compe 287 levers (road levers designed for cantis, don't know if they're
still in production), don't know about other levers. I don't think they require the large amounts of
cable pull that V-brakes require.
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mark

chris French said:

I did consider that, I thought about getting another tourer better suited to heavily loaded stuff
and then using this for a 'Audax' type machine. but I don't expect to be doing much heavily loaded
stuff for a while anyway. The frame really does need a seeing to, so now is the time to upgrade it.

I would be tempted to go for the dual-pivots, build the frame up as an audax bike (the Dalesman
seems to be particularly well suited to that, I know of at least three in regular use for audax and
long day rides), and maybe do your touring on that tandem you've been promising yourself ;-)

Your bike, though. Mine had canti bosses from new; I have the Suntour XC on at the moment, which I
find work very well indeed. Or I used to think so before I got a low recumbent with hydraulic discs!
Now the brakes on any upright feel like you've thrown a brick tied to a bit of string off the back
and hope it will eventually slow you down.

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chris French said:

Do these work all right with drop bar levers?

They work fine with mine (Shimano Tiagra). I think they were designed with drops in mind. At least
that's what SJS Cycles use them for.

Simonb

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My trusty old ( at least 20 years) tourer (a much modified Claud butler Dasleman - as is the
way with bikes) is looking rather the worse for wear - mostly just knackered paint work, though
the top tube has a nasty dent.

I'm considering a winter refurbishment, sending it off to be repainted (probably by Bob
Jacksons in Leeds). It's still running the Weinmann centre pull brakes, which are ok but not
brilliant. , so I thought I'd consider getting suitable bits brazed on and sticking on some
cantilevers (nothing like keeping up with modern advances in cycle technology).

Question is what to go for, any recommendations? (doesn't have to be new, I'm happy to, look
around for old or second-hand stuff if it's worth it) Though I don't get to do a much heavily
loaded touring at the mo' that is the potential use I'm looking at.

I did consider a new bike of frame, but , firstly I can't afford it right now, and secondly I'm
plotting the eventual acquisition of a rather more laid back style of bike :-)) - though I've
been doing that for many years :-(
--
Chris French, Leeds

I also upgraded (my 20 year old Galaxy) with Avid Shorty brakes, and I was amazed at the improved
braking.

I have them working with Shimano Ultegra levers (non STi) on drop bars - no problems. I am very
pleased with the setup and I would recommend it to you. Good luck

Emyr

A couple of more exotic choices are SRP Mr Grumpy's and Spooky brakes. Both are similar to the old
MAFAC /Weinmann designs and expensive

Gwyn

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chris French said:

I did consider that, I thought about getting another tourer better suited to heavily loaded stuff
and then using this for a 'Audax' type machine. but I don't expect to be doing much heavily
loaded stuff for a while anyway. The frame really does need a seeing to, so now is the time to
upgrade it.

I would be tempted to go for the dual-pivots, build the frame up as an audax bike

If they fit I think I'd go for dual pivots rather than the cantilevers. That will save the need to
add cable termination points to the frame and steerer as well as the fork brazings. I'd not expect
much difference in braking performance, but I think they will look neater.

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Your bike, though. Mine had canti bosses from new; I have the Suntour XC on at the moment, which I
find work very well indeed.

My Nigel Dean also uses Suntour XC and they are very good (though I've nearly worn down my last set
of original pads and need to find some suitable replacements).

Nigel

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My Nigel Dean also uses Suntour XC and they are very good (though I've nearly worn down my last
set of original pads and need to find some

suitable

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replacements).

Nigel Dean was the bike shop I didn't use in St Albans when I wre a lad :-)

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My Nigel Dean also uses Suntour XC and they are very good (though I've nearly worn down my last
set of original pads and need to find some

suitable

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replacements).

Nigel Dean was the bike shop I didn't use in St Albans when I wre a lad

:-)

Cor :-)

My ND was the last World Tour from Ben Haywood's in Cambridge. ND had stopped making bikes when I
bought it. The bike is still going strong except for a steering shimmy at >25mph, cause unknown at
present, though might be the short 80mm throw stem ? Its not had any hard front crashes, and I'm
light, so unlikely to have bent it.

It might get sent to Bob Jackson for a respray and extra bottle bosses one day.

Nigel