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  1. Original post
    Jon_H
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    I have been looking around the local bike shops today with an eye for a new
    bike and with a budget of £500 this is what i came up with.

    Felt F90
    Giant OCR2 (black) 06 model
    Trek 1000
    Specialized allez.
    Raleigh Airlite road 300

    if you had the option which would you choose and why. I have yet to test
    ride any of the models, and yet to see the specialized Allez as nobody had
    one.
    the Guy in one shop said he would prefer the Trek over the Allez as it is a
    nicer bike( he was a MTB rider). The giant looks the best to me and feels
    the lightest of those i picked up. I am not too sure on the Felt as I have
    never heard of this manufacturer. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
    I have given up the idea of getting a new frame and forks and transferring
    my shabby old gear across.

    cheers
    Jon_H

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  2. Jon Senior
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    Wayne said:

    I too am in the market for a bike around 5-600 pounds so I've being doing
    a bit of research as to what to buy, for me I'm concerned about longevity
    so I want a bike that's not throwaway.
    I like the Allez and the OCR2 but I notice they both have integrated
    headsets. As far as I can tell (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!)
    once the bearing races become worn, which are part of the frame, the frame
    becomes throw away.

    I'm not sure about this, but I'm about to replace the bearings in my OCR
    (IS) frame so if I get a chance to do it soon, I'll let you know whether
    this is the case.

    Jon

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  3. Simon Brooke
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    in message <[email hidden]>, Jon Senior

    jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk ('') said:
    Wayne said:

    I too am in the market for a bike around 5-600 pounds so I've being
    doing a bit of research as to what to buy, for me I'm concerned about
    longevity so I want a bike that's not throwaway.
    I like the Allez and the OCR2 but I notice they both have integrated
    headsets. As far as I can tell (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm
    wrong!) once the bearing races become worn, which are part of the
    frame, the frame becomes throw away.

    I'm not sure about this, but I'm about to replace the bearings in my
    OCR (IS) frame so if I get a chance to do it soon, I'll let you know
    whether this is the case.

    No. It isn't true. My bike also has an integrated headset, and I fitted
    it myself.

    With a non-integrated head set the head tube is a simple cylinder, and
    the bearing sits essentially proud of the tube at either end. With an
    integrated one, a housing for the bearing is milled out of the ends of
    the head tube and the bearing sits in these housings.

    There are no standards for integrated headsets. My frame takes a Cane
    Creek and only a Cane Creek (IS2 or IS6). Consequently when you come to
    replace your headset bearing you will need to buy one of the same brand
    and possibly even the same model.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for us to do
    but pick up the pieces.

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  4. Wayne
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    Jon Senior said:
    Wayne said:

    I too am in the market for a bike around 5-600 pounds so I've being doing
    a bit of research as to what to buy, for me I'm concerned about longevity
    so I want a bike that's not throwaway.
    I like the Allez and the OCR2 but I notice they both have integrated
    headsets. As far as I can tell (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!)
    once the bearing races become worn, which are part of the frame, the frame
    becomes throw away.

    I'm not sure about this, but I'm about to replace the bearings in my OCR
    (IS) frame so if I get a chance to do it soon, I'll let you know whether
    this is the case.

    Jon


    OK thanks.

    Wayne.

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  5. Wayne
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    Simon Brooke said:

    No. It isn't true. My bike also has an integrated headset, and I fitted
    it myself.

    With a non-integrated head set the head tube is a simple cylinder, and
    the bearing sits essentially proud of the tube at either end. With an
    integrated one, a housing for the bearing is milled out of the ends of
    the head tube and the bearing sits in these housings.

    There are no standards for integrated headsets. My frame takes a Cane
    Creek and only a Cane Creek (IS2 or IS6). Consequently when you come to
    replace your headset bearing you will need to buy one of the same brand
    and possibly even the same model.

    Ah did you fit replacement bearings or did you fit the bearing cup that
    is in the head tube too? As it's the integrated cup that's the problem as
    I understand it.

    Regards
    Wayne.

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  6. Simon Brooke
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    in message <[email hidden]>,

    Wayne (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    No. It isn't true. My bike also has an integrated headset, and I
    fitted it myself.

    With a non-integrated head set the head tube is a simple cylinder,
    and the bearing sits essentially proud of the tube at either end.
    With an integrated one, a housing for the bearing is milled out of
    the ends of the head tube and the bearing sits in these housings.

    There are no standards for integrated headsets. My frame takes a Cane
    Creek and only a Cane Creek (IS2 or IS6). Consequently when you come
    to replace your headset bearing you will need to buy one of the same
    brand and possibly even the same model.

    Ah did you fit replacement bearings or did you fit the bearing cup
    that is in the head tube too? As it's the integrated cup that's the
    problem as I understand it.

    Yes. The cups fit into the milled recesses in the head tube. That's why
    it matters what make it is - the outer profile of the cup is not
    standard.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "The result is a language that... not even its mother could
    love. Like the camel, Common Lisp is a horse designed by
    committee. Camels do have their uses."
    ;; Scott Fahlman, 7 March 1995

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  7. wayne
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    #7
    Simon Brooke said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ah did you fit replacement bearings or did you fit the bearing cup
    that is in the head tube too? As it's the integrated cup that's the
    problem as I understand it.

    Yes. The cups fit into the milled recesses in the head tube. That's why
    it matters what make it is - the outer profile of the cup is not
    standard.

    Thanks for the info, I can check for availability before making the
    purchase.

    Regards
    Wayne.

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