Where's the UN...

John Hanson said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

Just let Annan handle all the funds. I'm sure it will be given to those
most in need. What an honest, upstanding guy with a heart for the World!
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer

East Side, midtown Manhattan.

Damn terrorists. If they had hit the right building, they could have kept
Afghanistan AND Iraq!

David

John Hanson said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

You can be such a [censored] John. If such a tragedy happened in the UK, I
wouldn't expect (or the country need) monetary aid from other
countries - and in particular countries less wealthy than us.

Grow up, petulant little man.

Ellis

What?!! Look, the situation around New Orleans is devastating, but it
can not be compared to last year's tsunami. Sure, there will be
billions in damage caused to the area's infrastructure and people's
homes, but these are costs the American government can easily absorb,
even if it has to cut back on military financing for a couple of weeks.
The devastation caused by the tsunami in Asia hit many nations that
could barely support themselves when times were good, never mind in
times of crisis. The funds donated from people worldwide is being used
not just to rebuild a <basic> infrastructure for the multiple countries
affected, but also to prevent disease spreading from the thousands of
people who were killed, to help rebuild the lives of people who have
lost everything in a place where insurance is only for the wealthy, to
support children who have lost their entire family in the tragedy.

America's abiility to recover from a natural disaster such as Katrina
can be parrallelled to its ability to prepare for such a diasaster.
The fact that the death toll from a Catgory 5 hurricane in only in the
low hundred is an indicator that America can be almost self-sufficient
in its recovery. While any loss of life is tragic, it should be
remembered that if this catastrophe had occurred in a poorer part of
the world, the death toll would certainly have been far higher.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be some assistance provided, but you could
never say it was as necessary as it was during the tsunami and
subsequent earthquakes in Asia last year.

And now to kick things up a notch....

I read an article yesterday that suggests the rise in frequency and
severity of extreme weather events like Katrina is due in part to a
massive increase in global warming and increased dangerous emissions
from industry, motor vehicles, etc. Could it be that America is
reaping what it has sown?....

And given that many New Orleans people chose to stay in their homes
rather that evacuate, what did they expect? The weather is not a force
you can afford to have a stand-off with, nor is it something that can
be blamed on the presence of nuclear capabilities of another country.
Did people expect the army to save them? It was a stupid move to stay
at ome - nobody likes leaving their home vulnerable, but COME ON!!
IT'S A HURRICANE!!!!

"John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

And if they can't afford a donation - would it be so hard to make a nice
card and maybe bring over a casserole?

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:15:00 +0100, Ellis <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

You can be such a [censored] John. If such a tragedy happened in the UK, I
wouldn't expect (or the country need) monetary aid from other
countries - and in particular countries less wealthy than us.

If it happened in the UK or anywhere else, the rest of the world would
be screaming that the aid the US pledged was too little just like they
did when the tsunami hit. I say we stop giving aid, period.

Quoted message said:

Grow up, petulant little man.

Loser

On 31 Aug 2005 00:26:54 -0700, "gibsonguitars" <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

What?!! Look, the situation around New Orleans is devastating, but it
can not be compared to last year's tsunami. Sure, there will be
billions in damage caused to the area's infrastructure and people's
homes, but these are costs the American government can easily absorb,
even if it has to cut back on military financing for a couple of weeks.
The devastation caused by the tsunami in Asia hit many nations that
could barely support themselves when times were good, never mind in
times of crisis. The funds donated from people worldwide is being used
not just to rebuild a <basic> infrastructure for the multiple countries
affected, but also to prevent disease spreading from the thousands of
people who were killed, to help rebuild the lives of people who have
lost everything in a place where insurance is only for the wealthy, to
support children who have lost their entire family in the tragedy.

The tsunami hardly cost anything in monetary damage in comparison.
Sure it killed a lot of people but replacing people doesn't have a
cost especially in poor countries. Keep in mind also that a lot of
those who died were European tourists.

Quoted message said:

America's abiility to recover from a natural disaster such as Katrina
can be parrallelled to its ability to prepare for such a diasaster.
The fact that the death toll from a Catgory 5 hurricane in only in the
low hundred is an indicator that America can be almost self-sufficient
in its recovery. While any loss of life is tragic, it should be
remembered that if this catastrophe had occurred in a poorer part of
the world, the death toll would certainly have been far higher.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be some assistance provided, but you could
never say it was as necessary as it was during the tsunami and
subsequent earthquakes in Asia last year.

Certainly is. The monetary costs here are far higher.

Quoted message said:

And now to kick things up a notch....

I read an article yesterday that suggests the rise in frequency and
severity of extreme weather events like Katrina is due in part to a
massive increase in global warming and increased dangerous emissions
from industry, motor vehicles, etc. Could it be that America is
reaping what it has sown?....

Thirty years ago everyone was hailing the coming ice age. And what
"massive increase" in global warming are you referring to? I suggest
you read this:
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/lib/mgch.html

You'll notice our deadliest hurricane was in 1900.

Quoted message said:

And given that many New Orleans people chose to stay in their homes
rather that evacuate, what did they expect? The weather is not a force
you can afford to have a stand-off with, nor is it something that can
be blamed on the presence of nuclear capabilities of another country.
Did people expect the army to save them? It was a stupid move to stay
at ome - nobody likes leaving their home vulnerable, but COME ON!!
IT'S A HURRICANE!!!!

Who cares about the dead people. You can't fix them so there is no
cost to rebuild them. I suppose there is a small fee to handle the
bodies.

Feel free to review this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/browse_frm/thread/3ba28ef7f25eb627/cf16b811b2b75519?tvc=1&q=tsunami#cf16b811b2b75519
http://tinyurl.com/bfthz

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:50:51 -0500, "Ranieri" <uh-uh> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

"John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

And if they can't afford a donation - would it be so hard to make a nice
card and maybe bring over a casserole?

Hotdish.

"gibsonguitars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I read an article yesterday that suggests the rise in frequency and
severity of extreme weather events like Katrina is due in part to a
massive increase in global warming and increased dangerous emissions
from industry, motor vehicles, etc.

You read an article written by a moron.

HTH

With crawfish and cajun seasoning.

<shudder>

In article <[email hidden]>, John Hanson

Quoted message said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

Canada is there.

We were talking about this at work when one of our doves said, "Use the
defense budget." No matter what you want to say about the USA whenever
there is a disaster America is the first country to extend aid. Anywhere.
Almost always. Russia, China, the African continent, the Middle East, as
well as allies.

Credit where credit is due.

--
Keith

John Hanson said:

Keep in mind also that a lot of
those who died were European tourists.

A miniscule proportion. Probably much less than 1%.

--
Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is

John Hanson said:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:15:00 +0100, Ellis <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US
for all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going
to be far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my
breath.

http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html

You can be such a [censored] John. If such a tragedy happened in the UK, I
wouldn't expect (or the country need) monetary aid from other
countries - and in particular countries less wealthy than us.

If it happened in the UK or anywhere else, the rest of the world would
be screaming that the aid the US pledged was too little just like they
did when the tsunami hit. I say we stop giving aid, period.

The monetary aid thing is supposed to be for countries that do not have
enough money to rebuild. The US does, the UK would (except we aren't so
stupid as to build a city in a hurricane area below sea level, or across the
top of a major fault zone), western European countries generally do have
enough money. You could pay for it out of the defense budget in fairly short
order, for a start.

Never mind, you can always keep your head in the sand and believe that
America is the whole world (World Series?) and that you too can become
incredibly rich if you just work hard (American Dream). That way you might
not notice the rest of the world laughing at you being fooled into spending
huge amounts of your money on a war which has actually made things worse for
you.

Peter

Peter Allen <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Never mind, you can always keep your head in the sand and believe

that

Quoted message said:

America is the whole world (World Series?)

There is no requirement for US citizenship to play in Major League
Baseball.

"For starting pitchers we have two Dominicans, one Italian, one
Mexican, and one Japanese. In the bullpen we have a Venezuelan, a
Mexican, a guy from the United States, and a guy from St. Louis." -
Tommy Lasorda

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:27:43 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

Quoted message said:

No matter what you want to say about the USA whenever
there is a disaster America is the first country to extend aid. Anywhere.
Almost always. Russia, China, the African continent, the Middle East, as
well as allies.

Correct, and what does it get us? SQUAT that's what. This aid should
stop immediately.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

John Hanson said:

If it happened in the UK or anywhere else, the rest of the world would
be screaming that the aid the US pledged was too little just like they
did when the tsunami hit

Bollocks. Without belittling the individual tragedies going on in the
States at the moment, trying to equate this situation with the
tsunami, in terms of loss of life and livelihood, is ridiculous.

You're just upset because it's a problem you can't bomb away.

Ellis

Ellis said:

Quoted message said:

If it happened in the UK or anywhere else, the rest of the world would
be screaming that the aid the US pledged was too little just like they
did when the tsunami hit

Bollocks. Without belittling the individual tragedies going on in the
States at the moment, trying to equate this situation with the
tsunami, in terms of loss of life and livelihood, is ridiculous.

The criticism wasn't because we pledged too little, it was because the
chimp took 4 days to come out of the white monkee house to pledge
anything.
In his defense, it took them 4 days to teach him to say "tsunami", and
to explain to him what it was ("a real BIG wave George"😉.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

AT said:

Peter Allen <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Never mind, you can always keep your head in the sand and believe
that America is the whole world (World Series?)

There is no requirement for US citizenship to play in Major League
Baseball.

"For starting pitchers we have two Dominicans, one Italian, one
Mexican, and one Japanese. In the bullpen we have a Venezuelan, a
Mexican, a guy from the United States, and a guy from St. Louis." -
Tommy Lasorda

And you have how many non-US teams in the competition?

We could call the English Premiership (which has many players who are not
English) the football 'World Series' if we wanted; that wouldn't somehow
make it a genuine world competition.

Peter

John Hanson said:

and the European countries lining up to donate billions to the US for
all the damage done by Katrina? The economic damage is going to be
far higher than the tsunami late last year. I won't hold my breath.

Do YOU really want them to help?

I remember 9/11 and all the countries around the world who
wanted to send help. Did the US accept it? No. Because we're
too arrogant. It wasn't even mentioned once in the US media.

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