When meat is not 'murder'

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:17:41 -0600, Arri London <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

To bad the airlines are cutting back on flight meals; that would be
perfect for mystery meat.

I love this comment from the lady from the Vegetarian Society:

"Personally I wouldn't want to, but I suppose if they're going to make
chicken nuggets with it, then it's probably not going to taste much
different."

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".
---
JL

Arri London <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Hmmmm... I can see substituting it for hospital meat, school cafeteria
meat, fast food meat etc. I doubt the taste would be much different than
it already is.

Fast Forward to the year 2020 ----->>>>>

News Headline From the Dead Meat Press:

The entire group of RFCers was taken into custody Saturday evening at the
notorious ring leader's residence. Ring Leader, Barb Schaller, allegedly
threw what is known as a cook-in using contraband meat. The group
allegedly grilled 'murdered' pork chops and chicken breasts. Served along
with the grilled 'murdered' meat were sides of corn on the cob, grilled
vegetables and a fabulous wild rice mix. Dessert was 'murdered' fruit
topped with imitation whipping cream.

Michael

Joseph Littleshoes wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".
---
JL

Errr...murder is defined as illegal killing or brutal killing

humanely killing a cow or killing a bacteria isn't illegal.
Even in some restricted cases killing people is allowed...

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

Joseph Littleshoes said:

Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious.

I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one
that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life"
does a rib roast have?

What is "dead" food? How does one remove this mysterious "life" if one
would like to?

Quoted message said:

Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

What can this actually mean? Obviously the next thing below about water
and air doesn't apply because the references here are to vitamins and
minerals, not bacteria.

Quoted message said:

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".

It appears as though you're saying that whatever we eat has to be
contaminated with microbes of some sort. Everything we eat is.

What are you talking about here with this "live" and "dead" food?

Pastorio

Dog3 said:

Arri London <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Hmmmm... I can see substituting it for hospital meat, school cafeteria
meat, fast food meat etc. I doubt the taste would be much different
than it already is.

Fast Forward to the year 2020 ----->>>>>

News Headline From the Dead Meat Press:

The entire group of RFCers was taken into custody Saturday evening at
the notorious ring leader's residence. Ring Leader, Barb Schaller,
allegedly threw what is known as a cook-in using contraband meat.
The group allegedly grilled 'murdered' pork chops and chicken
breasts. Served along with the grilled 'murdered' meat were sides of
corn on the cob, grilled vegetables and a fabulous wild rice mix.
Dessert was 'murdered' fruit topped with imitation whipping cream.

Michael

You forgot her murdering many types of fruit in order to make jams and
jellys, and she killed several cucumbers to make pickles. She even had the
audacity to have "pickle hats", as if to poke fun at the murdered cukes!
For shame!

Jill

"Joseph Littleshoes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".
---
JL

I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you say.

--
Peter Aitken

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Dog3 said:

Arri London <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Hmmmm... I can see substituting it for hospital meat, school
cafeteria meat, fast food meat etc. I doubt the taste would be much
different than it already is.

Fast Forward to the year 2020 ----->>>>>

News Headline From the Dead Meat Press:

The entire group of RFCers was taken into custody Saturday evening at
the notorious ring leader's residence. Ring Leader, Barb Schaller,
allegedly threw what is known as a cook-in using contraband meat.
The group allegedly grilled 'murdered' pork chops and chicken
breasts. Served along with the grilled 'murdered' meat were sides of
corn on the cob, grilled vegetables and a fabulous wild rice mix.
Dessert was 'murdered' fruit topped with imitation whipping cream.

Michael

You forgot her murdering many types of fruit in order to make jams and
jellys, and she killed several cucumbers to make pickles. She even
had the audacity to have "pickle hats", as if to poke fun at the
murdered cukes! For shame!

Jill

PBI (Pickle Bureau of Investigation) currently has her kitchen under
surveillance.

Michael

In article <[email hidden]>, Arri London <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

That's amusing... ;-)

I once bought an entire range veal from a woman at work.
Well, her husband actually raises the cattle......

But he was surprised that I bought the calf "sight unseen". I never
wanted to meet the calf that would be coming to me in little paper
wrapped packages. <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Joseph Littleshoes said:

Mr Libido Incognito said:

Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".
---
JL

Grown cells in a petri dish are just as alive as those in a living
animal...

Unless you are going to go out to the range and gnaw the meat off of a
living calf, raw and uncooked, ANY meat you eat is going to be "Dead".

Doofus. ;-)

Same goes for veggies.

If you cook them, they are "dead".

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Arri London <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Solyent Red?

This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
re-inventing natures' wheel.

Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And
that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

Just think of those luscious chicken wings or those baby back ribs
swimming in BBQ sauce. We are meat eaters.

TC

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Arri London <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

Solyent Red?

This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
re-inventing natures' wheel.

Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.

Quoted message said:

that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Arri London

Quoted message said:

Meat from a petri dish?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)

Please DO NOT cross post to a bunch of other ng's.

Jill

Bob (this one) said:

Joseph Littleshoes said:

A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious.

I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one
that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life"
does a rib roast have?

Or, for that matter, a couch potato?

-bwg

Donovan Rebbechi said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Arri London <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Meat from a petri dish?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

Solyent Red?

This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
re-inventing natures' wheel.

Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.

Quoted message said:

that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.

Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been;
always will be. There are no absolutes.

JMW said:

Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been;
always will be. There are no absolutes.

Except that one, apparently.

So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in
which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or
moral?

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Arri London <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> Meat from a petri dish?
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,1548451,00.html

Sounds fascinating. :-)
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

Solyent Red?

This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
re-inventing natures' wheel.

Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.

Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by
feeding directly off another species. That is the reality of this world
and our position within the biological matrix.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.

We are not emulating anyone or anything. That is the nature of our
dependence on and survival in the natural world. Morality and justice
aren't even on the table when it comes to the basic survival and the
health of our progeny, which depend directly on a primarily
animal-based diet. Morality and justice do not apply between
inter-species survival.

When a lion, a bear or maggots attacks and/or consumes a human, we
cannot infer any morality or justice to the act because they are simply
following natures plan of survival therefore how can we infer any
morality or justice to a human who raises or hunts, kills and consumes
a pig, deer, chicken or other species of animal. We are simply
following natures plan. (or the evolutionary plan, or god's plan, again
pick your own philosophy)

TC

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Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/