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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at times
    because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the Whitewater
    factory in time, international transportation manager Linda
    Bourdo said.

    "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."

    The factory operates on just-in-time principles, but over
    the last 10 weeks, delivery delays of two days or more have
    become common amid trucking problems and freighter congestion
    at West Coast ports

    http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct04/270917.asp

    How hard could it be for Trek to store enough production material for
    two days??

    --
    "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
    to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
    it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

  2. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:59:31 -0800, LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0

    m said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at times
    because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the Whitewater
    factory in time, international transportation manager Linda
    Bourdo said.

    "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."

    The factory operates on just-in-time principles, but over
    the last 10 weeks, delivery delays of two days or more have
    become common amid trucking problems and freighter congestion
    at West Coast ports

    http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct04/270917.asp

    How hard could it be for Trek to store enough production material for
    two days??

    They probably keep some components present now, but I would bet that
    the warehousing space dedicated to receiving and staging the incoming
    material is already chaotic with the accumulated effects of cascading
    disruptions. JIT principles are fragile; they can be disrupted by any
    number of events, and if a company's entire model is based on JIT, the
    effects of a late delivery can timeslide through many other schedules
    and toss the whole thing into a rather nasty heap. The automotive
    industry has been running on a form of JIT for many years to a certain
    extent, but they keep a buffer of several days of parts to prevent the
    line from having to go idle over a parts shortage.

    JIT really only works well when all phases of production are in-house
    or hard to disrupt. At intercontinental distances, it's not a robust
    methodology.
    --
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  3. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:40:24 GMT, Werehatrack <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:59:31 -0800, LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0

    m said:
    Quoted message said:

    > At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at times
    > because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the Whitewater
    > factory in time, international transportation manager Linda
    > Bourdo said.
    >
    > "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."
    >
    > The factory operates on just-in-time principles, but over
    > the last 10 weeks, delivery delays of two days or more have
    > become common amid trucking problems and freighter congestion
    > at West Coast ports

    http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct04/270917.asp

    How hard could it be for Trek to store enough production material for
    two days??

    They probably keep some components present now, but I would bet that
    the warehousing space dedicated to receiving and staging the incoming
    material is already chaotic with the accumulated effects of cascading
    disruptions. JIT principles are fragile; they can be disrupted by any
    number of events, and if a company's entire model is based on JIT, the
    effects of a late delivery can timeslide through many other schedules
    and toss the whole thing into a rather nasty heap. The automotive
    industry has been running on a form of JIT for many years to a certain
    extent, but they keep a buffer of several days of parts to prevent the
    line from having to go idle over a parts shortage.

    JIT really only works well when all phases of production are in-house
    or hard to disrupt. At intercontinental distances, it's not a robust
    methodology.

    But it is a mandatory buzz word.

    Ron

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Ronsonic <>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    JIT really only works well when all phases of production are in-house
    or hard to disrupt. At intercontinental distances, it's not a robust
    methodology.

    But it is a mandatory buzz word.

    JIT can work well when integrated into a well-planned system. JIT on
    its own means very little. I have to give credit to Trek for even
    knowing what JIT means since most of the bicycle industry has no clue.
    Of course, that means that Trek's JIT program is destined to fail since
    none of its suppliers understand it (well maybe Shimano does, but they
    are the worst offender - their slogan is JWWFLK, Just When We Feel Like
    It).

    Manufacturing concepts such as pull-systems and cycle time reduction
    have been common in other industries for years. These are still foreign
    ideas in the bicycle world. This is true for Shimano as well since they
    still run a push-system. That has cost them dearly this year since
    their poor forecasting and long, long lead times have resulted in them
    losing significant business to SRAM, Suntour, Truvativ, FSA, and many
    others.

    Todd Kuzma

  5. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:59:31 -0800, LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0

    m said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at times
    because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the Whitewater
    factory in time, international transportation manager Linda
    Bourdo said.

    "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."

    The factory operates on just-in-time principles, but over
    the last 10 weeks, delivery delays of two days or more have
    become common amid trucking problems and freighter congestion
    at West Coast ports

    http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct04/270917.asp

    How hard could it be for Trek to store enough production material for
    two days??

    The question is asked by someone who has never designed a synchronous
    flow lean manufacturing system. the simple answer is, there isn't
    room for the WIP. that is the point of lean. it also means your
    supplier chain had better function properly or you are dead.

    Michael J. Klein [email hidden]
    Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC
    Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings
    ---------------------------------------------

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at
    > times because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the
    > Whitewater factory in time, international transportation
    > manager Linda Bourdo said.
    >
    > "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."
    >
    > The factory operates on just-in-time principles, but over
    > the last 10 weeks, delivery delays of two days or more
    > have become common amid trucking problems and freighter
    > congestion at West Coast ports

    http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct04/270917.asp

    How hard could it be for Trek to store enough production
    material for two days??

    The question is asked by someone who has never designed a
    synchronous flow lean manufacturing system.

    Very true, but I have been involved in the development and
    implementation of a number of worst-case contingency plans, from risk
    assessment to deployment, and I therefore recognise a major management
    malfunction when I read about one.

    Quoted message said:

    the simple answer is, there isn't room for the WIP.
    that is the point of lean. it also means your supplier
    chain had better function properly or you are dead.

    When there is neither logistic redundancy nor a fallback position to an
    extended operation, as appears to be the case with Trek, you are as good
    as dead from the outset.

    --
    "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
    to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
    it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

  7. LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> At Trek Bicycle Corp., workers have been sent home at
    >> times because shipments of parts haven't gotten to the
    >> Whitewater factory in time, international transportation
    >> manager Linda Bourdo said.
    >>
    >> "It's horrendous," she said. "The drivers are booked solid."

    I wonder if it's because there are a lot of truck drivers
    over in Iraq making a kilobuck a day for short hauls
    (past improvised munitions).

    Quoted message said:

    Very true, but I have been involved in the development and
    implementation of a number of worst-case contingency plans, from risk
    assessment to deployment, and I therefore recognise a major management
    malfunction when I read about one.

    Then again, is there really any great loss to society if
    the Trek bolt-em-up line slows down?

    Quoted message said:

    When there is neither logistic redundancy nor a fallback position to an
    extended operation, as appears to be the case with Trek, you are as good
    as dead from the outset.

    On the other hand, if they shipped the bikes as a kit
    (you know you want one) then you *still* wouldn't get it
    because they wouldn't have the parts to put in the box.

    --Blair
    "They could mark it with a difficulty
    level like a Revell model..."

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