When is it cheating in a recipe?

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I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

I don't think so. If it tasted good with the tahini, then go ahead and use
it. If it did not, then don't use it next time.

Brian Christiansen

Quoted message said:

I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

It's never cheating to use prepared ingredients, especially if you
don't know how to make the preparation yourself. :-)

(Tahini, when you make it at home, needs a little oil to make it work
in the blender, and usually I also add a little salt, but not always.
I'm almost out of tahini, so I was considering making some from the
excess seeds I have here, but I may not bother.)

serene, gonna make hummus tonight one way or the other

On Sat 18 Feb 2006 08:19:45p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

Quoted message said:

I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

I wouldn't consider that cheating, just an expedient. Was it good? That's
the bottom line.

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Quoted message said:

I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

Well that's a new one. I never knew you could cheat on a recipe. I
had always thought a recipe was a guideline, not a rule set in stone.

Kitchen is not a Pharmacy :-)
Guido

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Quoted message said:

I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

Quoted message said:

I made some hummus tonight. I used tahini. Next to the Tahini were
whole sesame seeds. Did I cheat by using the tahini instead of
grinding the seeds myself. (I think that's all tahini is).

Recipes you find are some other person's idea of how to make that dish.
When you adapt it to your idea, then it's a new recipe.

The whole concept of "cheating" on a recipe is not to understand what a
recipe is. And is not.

Pastorio

Sheldon said:

Now I dare someone to point me to a Copyrighted hummus recipe...

<smipping the rest>
Remember to quit while you're still ahead.
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Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

sf said:

Sheldon said:

Now I dare someone to point me to a Copyrighted hummus recipe...

<smipping the rest>
Remember to quit while you're still ahead.

Thanks, at least someone is clear headed enough to realize I'm winning.
This is a safe bet... don't you think that by now someone would have
produced a Copyrighted recipe (I'm sure a few have been Googling their
fingers raw). No one has because there are none. It's not easy to
obtain a Copyright, the full onus is upon the applicant to prove that
they are the first to have created whatever it is they wish to
Copyright... that's why Patent, Copyright, and Trademark attorneys are
paid three times as much as ordinary attorneys. Anyone can *claim*
they created something but to prove it to the point of obtaining a
Registered Copyright is a whole nother thing. It's fairly simple for
someone to prove they created a cook book (cookbooks are about the
easiest to obtain a Copyright, the bureau doesn't consider the actual
recipes at all, only attendant text). It's not possible to prove or
disprove one created the recipes contained therein (no matter how
embellished with verbiage), and that is why you will never see a recipe
in any cook book that is individually Copyrighted... you can Copyright
the attendant verbiage but not the recipe. You can no sooner Copywrite
a meata balle recipe than a cola drink recipe (regardless the precise
ingredients), and that is why Coke and Pepsi don't have their recipes
Copyrighted, you can no sooner Copyright a cola drink as a meata
balle... that and once Copyright is applied for full disclosure is
manditory, and then the application may not be successful (and then
Coke/Pepsi are screwed)... for any recipe the application won't be
successful, because the full onus is upon yoose to prove that no one
has ever before created a meata balle similar to yours. Similar,
because absolute precision is not required for obtaining a Copyright,
because by the same token just because someone changes one word that
does not circumvent the Copyright, so impreciseness is indeed a
protection. Imagine a book of poetry, if all one needed to do was
rearange a few words to make it their own no one would ever bother to
write poetry for publication. If you have a special family meata
balles recipe that in your mind you think is unique I strongly suggest
you keep it to yourself because you cannot Copyright the meata balle.

You have better odds of Copyrighting "sf" than a recipe.

I know I have a better chance of Copyrighting "meata balles" than
anyone has of Copyrighting their meata balles recipe. In fact were I
to create a meata balles cook book and name it "MEATA BALLES" then my
title would automatically obtain a Registered Copyright... and I can
include whatever meata balles recipes I want. But then there are those
who would claim How can thata be, he'sa not a stinkin' thieving
ignorant WOP! And that's why I win! <G>

Sheldon

In article said:

sf said:

Sheldon said:

Now I dare someone to point me to a Copyrighted hummus recipe...

<smipping the rest>
Remember to quit while you're still ahead.

Thanks, at least someone is clear headed enough to realize I'm winning.
This is a safe bet... don't you think that by now someone would have
produced a Copyrighted recipe (I'm sure a few have been Googling their
fingers raw). No one has because there are none. It's not easy to
obtain a Copyright, the full onus is upon the applicant to prove that
they are the first to have created whatever it is they wish to
Copyright...

[snip]

G'day Shel, me old mate. I have the impression you're confusing
Patent and Copyright. Of course, things might be different over
there, but my understanding of how these things work is:

If "recipe" is regarded as a process it may be patentable like any
other *original* process or product. But it would probably be
bloody difficult to prove "originality" for a household recipe.

If "recipe" is regarded as a description of a process, then copyright
is automatically granted to the author -- though a description
which is nothing more than a direct copy of a previous version
would be plagiarism. Plagiarism would be damn difficult to prove for
an individual recipe; but a book full of the things could give rise to
some legal problems for the perpetrator.

Cheers, Phred.

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Phred Pinhead wrote:
I have the impression you're confusing

Quoted message said:

Patent and Copyright. Of course, things might be different over
there, but my understanding of how these things work is:

If "recipe" is regarded as a process it may be patentable like any
other *original* process or product. But it would probably be
bloody difficult to prove "originality" for a household recipe.

If "recipe" is regarded as a description of a process, then copyright
is automatically granted to the author -- though a description
which is nothing more than a direct copy of a previous version
would be plagiarism. Plagiarism would be damn difficult to prove for
an individual recipe; but a book full of the things could give rise to
some legal problems for the perpetrator.

Pinhead.

Sheldon

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Phred Pinhead wrote:
I have the impression you're confusing

Quoted message said:

Patent and Copyright. Of course, things might be different over
there, but my understanding of how these things work is:

If "recipe" is regarded as a process it may be patentable like any
other *original* process or product. But it would probably be
bloody difficult to prove "originality" for a household recipe.

If "recipe" is regarded as a description of a process, then copyright
is automatically granted to the author -- though a description
which is nothing more than a direct copy of a previous version
would be plagiarism. Plagiarism would be damn difficult to prove for
an individual recipe; but a book full of the things could give rise to
some legal problems for the perpetrator.

Pinhead Sheldon

Couldn't come up with a response eh, Shels, me old mate?
Not to worry, we all get old.

Cheers, Phred.

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On Mon 20 Feb 2006 07:46:00a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Phred?

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Phred Pinhead wrote:
I have the impression you're confusing

Quoted message said:

Patent and Copyright. Of course, things might be different over
there, but my understanding of how these things work is:

If "recipe" is regarded as a process it may be patentable like any
other *original* process or product. But it would probably be
bloody difficult to prove "originality" for a household recipe.

If "recipe" is regarded as a description of a process, then copyright
is automatically granted to the author -- though a description
which is nothing more than a direct copy of a previous version
would be plagiarism. Plagiarism would be damn difficult to prove for
an individual recipe; but a book full of the things could give rise to
some legal problems for the perpetrator.

Pinhead Sheldon

Couldn't come up with a response eh, Shels, me old mate?
Not to worry, we all get old.

Cheers, Phred.

And some get old and stupid.

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Wayne Boatwright o¿o
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