When Did Milk Start Getting The Bad Rap?

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I came from a time when Milk Drinking was considered a Very Good Thing. My original milk experience
started when milkmen delivered their product in glass bottles right to the house & continues to
this day.. Though I absolutely LOVE a tall cold glass of milk & preferably three or four daily as I
have for the last half century, I have to wonder whether I'm ruining my health or whether "those
other people" have it wrong??

It depends on what your biggest considerations are.

For example, the anti-milk fanatics notwithstanding, milk is a good source of calcium, which many
Americans (especially women) don't get enough of.

On the other hand, whole milk is fairly high in saturated fat, which is not a good thing for
most adults.

I compromise by drinking 1% milk, which has significantly less fat, but all the calcium. (I refuse
to drink skim -- I think it tastes awful.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

DW: I agree the non-fat milk looks (purple) & tastes(?) awful, so I went from whole to 2% about 20
years ago, then 1% about 10+ years ago, where I remain. I wonder how half & half (non/1%) would
taste? That might be a possibility.

DW: I agree the non-fat milk looks (purple) & tastes(?) awful, so I went from whole to 2% about 20
years ago, then 1% about 10+ years ago, where I remain. I wonder how half & half (non/1%) would
taste? That might be a possibility.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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DW: I agree the non-fat milk looks (purple) & tastes(?) awful, so I went from whole to 2% about 20
years ago, then 1% about 10+ years ago, where I remain. I wonder how half & half (non/1%)
would taste? That might be a possibility.

No harm in it, certainly. I just haven't been interested enough to try mixing my own.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Don't forget guys that full cream milk is still only 5% fat, if it were any other food that would be
labelled low fat. Also when you throw out the fat the vitimins go with it.

20 years ago when milk can in bottles it also wasn't homogenised which substantially messes up the
fats and makes them more hazardous; remember how we used to shake the bottle, if you shop around
unhomogenised milk is still out there. Even better is non pasturised milk.

Lastly, everyone is different and function best on different kinds of diets; some people thrive as
vegetarians while other shrivel and become anaemic. The same is true of milk digestion. If it
doesn't give you any obvious digestive or mucous problems then your probably fine; next time you
visit the doctor get a standard blood test and check up done to make sure.

Enjoy -A.

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DW: I agree the non-fat milk looks (purple) & tastes(?) awful, so I went from whole to 2% about
20 years ago, then 1% about 10+ years ago, where I remain. I wonder how half & half (non/1%)
would taste? That might be a possibility.

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I compromise by drinking 1% milk, which has significantly less fat, but all the calcium. (I refuse
to drink skim -- I think it tastes awful.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I very rarely drink milk. When I do, it's non-fat. After eschewing the whole & 1% for many years,
I've found they taste "gummy" (for lack of a better word).

It's like many foods & beverages -- you get used to a particular taste & a different variety
tastes weird....

Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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Don't forget guys that full cream milk is still only 5% fat, if it were

any

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other food that would be labelled low fat. Also when you throw out the fat the vitimins go
with it.

20 years ago when milk can in bottles it also wasn't homogenised which substantially messes up the
fats and makes them more hazardous; remember

how

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we used to shake the bottle, if you shop around unhomogenised milk is

still

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out there. Even better is non pasturised milk.

There is some links with homogenised milk and asthma, I read something years ago about he rise of
asthma in populations since the end of the glass bottle.

Worst part is the amount of time that "fresh milk" now has a useby date - 14 days in cartons. Theres
gotta be more than just homogenisation and pasturisation going on to get it to last that long.

Some areas only get reconstituted milk as well - they reduce the water content, then put into tanks
for transport, at the other end they add the water back and sell the muck as fresh milk.

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Lastly, everyone is different and function best on different kinds of

diets;

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some people thrive as vegetarians while other shrivel and become anaemic. The same is true of milk
digestion. If it doesn't give you any obvious digestive or mucous problems then your probably
fine; next time you visit the doctor get a standard blood test and check up done to make sure.

Enjoy -A.

"Michele" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I compromise by drinking 1% milk, which has significantly less fat, but all the calcium. (I
refuse to drink skim -- I think it tastes awful.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I very rarely drink milk. When I do, it's non-fat. After eschewing the whole & 1% for many years,
I've found they taste "gummy" (for lack of a better word).

It's like many foods & beverages -- you get used to a particular taste & a different variety
tastes weird....

I recently had a mouthful of whole milk, after using 1% and the special skim that is just like 15
but non fat.

The whole milk was THICK and creamy

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Roger Martin said:

I'd say that pasturisation is still needed - maybe people forget that untreated milk was a common
cause of disease back in the 1940s and even upto the 50s. I think it was TB that was the main
problem - but I'm not sure. People who drink fresh milk (straight out of the cow) dont seem to have
any health problems nowadays - maybe the cows are healthier.

They probably are somewhat healthier, but drinking raw milk is still asking for trouble over the
long term, and I remain unocnvinced that there is *any* health benefit to it.

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When they pickup milk at the farms in Australia they take samples from each farm and have that
tested for known antibiotics - but with de-regulation I wonder if a quality control manager would
have the balls to dump a million litres if he found something rotten after the bad load had been
mixed into the vats.

In the US, I think the penalties for not dumping it might be severe enough to encourage compliance,
though I see your point.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Not pastuerized = dangerous Pastuerized = dangerous

"Roger Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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I'd say that pasturisation is still needed - maybe people forget that untreated milk was a common
cause of disease back in the 1940s and even

upto

Quoted message said:

the 50s. I think it was TB that was the main problem - but I'm not sure. People who drink fresh
milk (straight out of the cow) dont seem to have

any

Quoted message said:

health problems nowadays - maybe the cows are healthier.

When they pickup milk at the farms in Australia they take samples from

each

Quoted message said:

farm and have that tested for known antibiotics - but with de-regulation I wonder if a quality
control manager would have the balls to dump a million litres if he found something rotten after
the bad load had been mixed into the vats.

try www.notmilk.com interesting

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In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Martin

Quoted message said:

I'd say that pasturisation is still needed - maybe people forget that untreated milk was a common
cause of disease back in the 1940s and even

upto

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the 50s. I think it was TB that was the main problem - but I'm not sure. People who drink fresh
milk (straight out of the cow) dont seem to have

any

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health problems nowadays - maybe the cows are healthier.

They probably are somewhat healthier, but drinking raw milk is still asking for trouble over the
long term, and I remain unocnvinced that there is *any* health benefit to it.

Quoted message said:

When they pickup milk at the farms in Australia they take samples from

each

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

farm and have that tested for known antibiotics - but with de-regulation

I

Quoted message said:

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wonder if a quality control manager would have the balls to dump a

million

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litres if he found something rotten after the bad load had been mixed

into

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the vats.

In the US, I think the penalties for not dumping it might be severe enough to encourage
compliance, though I see your point.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Gymmy Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Not pastuerized = dangerous Pastuerized = dangerous

don't forget the pus level content......

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"Roger Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

Quoted message said:

I'd say that pasturisation is still needed - maybe people forget that untreated milk was a
common cause of disease back in the 1940s and even

upto

Quoted message said:

the 50s. I think it was TB that was the main problem - but I'm not sure. People who drink fresh
milk (straight out of the cow) dont seem to have

any

Quoted message said:

health problems nowadays - maybe the cows are healthier.

When they pickup milk at the farms in Australia they take samples from

each

Quoted message said:

farm and have that tested for known antibiotics - but with de-regulation

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wonder if a quality control manager would have the balls to dump a

million

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

litres if he found something rotten after the bad load had been mixed

into

Quoted message said:

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the vats.