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  1. Hello,

    My next project will be turning my old 10 speed into a fixed gear bike since the drivetrain has just
    about expired and I fancy something more entertaining to ride than my very practical but rather dull
    "fast shopping bike".

    Anyway, I want to know if anyone can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding
    equipment as a new rear wheel built around a Sovos flip/flop will be the first task (beyond checking
    the frame is sound). I have seen the Minoura kit sold by SJSCycles and Wiggle for around 66 pounds
    which incorporates jig, dishing guage and wheelbuilding booklet
    (wiggle.co.ukproduct detail.asp) but this seems quite pricy. Certainly
    stands and dish guages alone can be had for much cheaper than this but may lack some fundamental
    features that I don't know about. Sheldon's pages don't seem to have a "what to look for in a
    trueing stand" section.

    Finally, is the Park (or equivalent) spoke tension guage worth having? Opinion seems divided on the
    web pages dealing with wheel building.

    Regards,

    -david

  2. Quoted message said:

    cheapest option is to use the frame. Put the wheel in the wrong way round to check dishing.

    I built my last wheel in a tent, final truing on the bike...

    I agree. Spend the money on Jobst Brandt's book

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them
    their job."

    Samuel Goldwyn

  3. David Nutter said:

    Anyway, I want to know if anyone can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding
    equipment as a new rear wheel built around a Sovos flip/flop will be the first task (beyond
    checking the frame is sound). I have seen the Minoura kit sold by SJSCycles and Wiggle for around
    66 pounds which incorporates jig, dishing guage and wheelbuilding booklet
    (wiggle.co.ukproduct detail.asp) but this seems quite pricy.

    I've got one of those. It's not bad. The jig does the job but could be built sturdier and finer. All
    features on it are useful (some alternatives don't have all of them) but the centering guides should
    be used as a rough guide only. Therefore a dishing guage is still necessary. The Minoura's DG is
    fine except it's annoying that skewer needs to be removed (don't have to do this with some other
    brands). The spoke key and booklet are absolute garbage, though (worse than useless), and should be
    binned immediately.

    Quoted message said:

    Certainly stands and dish guages alone can be had for much cheaper than this but may lack some
    fundamental features that I don't know about.

    They'll all have the basic features you need, but some will be more or less convenient to use than
    others. eg. May not be able to true from both sides of the wheel without taking out and flipping.
    Each may require more or less fiddling about with but should be able to build equally good wheels.

    I don't regret choosing the Minoura Pro (might miss its convenience if had a more basic one), I just
    wish it was better made so to be even more convenient and reliable.

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, is the Park (or equivalent) spoke tension guage worth having? Opinion seems divided on
    the web pages dealing with wheel building.

    A tension guage is not needed at all when it comes to getting _even_ tension (just pluck spokes and
    listen to pitch instead) but one might come in handy if unsure about what tension is required in the
    first place.

    --
    ~PB FA: 62cm Ti frame: tinyurl.com6stt

  4. On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:56:13 +0000 (UTC), David Nutter <[email hidden]> blathered:

    Quoted message said:

    can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding equipment

    An old pair of forks you no longer need is about as cheap as it gets....
    btinternet.compic4.htm

    Pete
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    btinternet.com~peteajones

  5. Pete Jones said:

    On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:56:13 +0000 (UTC), David Nutter <[email hidden]> blathered:

    Quoted message said:

    can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding equipment

    An old pair of forks you no longer need is about as cheap as it gets....
    btinternet.compic4.htm

    oh yes, i love stuff like this. does it work? course it does...and that's all you need to know.

    bob

    Quoted message said:


    Pete
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    btinternet.com~peteajones

  6. David Nutter said:


    Hello,

    My next project will be turning my old 10 speed into a fixed gear bike since the drivetrain has
    just about expired and I fancy something more entertaining to ride than my very practical but
    rather dull "fast shopping bike".

    Anyway, I want to know if anyone can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding
    equipment as a new rear wheel built around a Sovos flip/flop will be the first task (beyond
    checking the frame is sound). I have seen the Minoura kit sold by SJSCycles and Wiggle for around
    66 pounds which incorporates jig, dishing guage and wheelbuilding booklet
    (wiggle.co.ukproduct detail.asp) but this seems quite pricy.
    Certainly stands and dish guages alone can be had for much cheaper than this but may lack some
    fundamental features that I don't know about. Sheldon's pages don't seem to have a "what to look
    for in a trueing stand" section.

    Finally, is the Park (or equivalent) spoke tension guage worth having? Opinion seems divided on
    the web pages dealing with wheel building.

    Regards,

    -david

    get a decent spokekey (Spokey or similar)

    A wheeldishing gauge doesn't need to be more than two or three identical beerglasses (sorry, turned
    over works best 😉 ) on a tabletop. REst the rim on the glasses and measure the height from the axle
    to the tablesurface with a handy object.
    --
    Marten

  7. On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:56:13 +0000, David Nutter did issue forth:

    Quoted message said:

    Hello,

    My next project will be turning my old 10 speed into a fixed gear bike since the drivetrain has
    just about expired and I fancy something more entertaining to ride than my very practical but
    rather dull "fast shopping bike".

    I'm thinking about going that way with an old MTB. Somehow the notion of whacking the pedals into my
    shins *really* hard seems endearing. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, I want to know if anyone can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding
    equipment as a new rear wheel built around a Sovos flip/flop will be the first task (beyond
    checking the frame is sound). I have seen the Minoura kit sold by SJSCycles and Wiggle for around
    66 pounds which incorporates jig, dishing guage and wheelbuilding booklet
    (wiggle.co.ukproduct detail.asp) but this seems quite pricy.
    Certainly stands and dish guages alone can be had for much cheaper than this but may lack some
    fundamental features that I don't know about. Sheldon's pages don't seem to have a "what to look
    for in a trueing stand" section.

    The Minoura kit is pretty good. I've used the jig and the dishing stick, don't know about the book
    and spoke key though.

    For slightly less money, Settle Cycles will do a Park TS-7 jig with a WAG-3 dishing stick. Both are
    more sturdy than their Minoura counterparts, although the jig isn't as steady on it's base as the
    Minoura, but it has a couple of holes in the bottom so you could bolt it to a workbench or a lump of
    wood. I find it's OK without a base, provided you don't go wild with spinning the wheel.

    There's a little booklet included with the Park kit, but I didn't think much of it, and there's no
    spoke key. Park spoke keys aren't bad, but I find them difficult to grip if you've got any grease on
    your hands. Personally I prefer the Spokey, although these are getting a little difficult to find.

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, is the Park (or equivalent) spoke tension guage worth having? Opinion seems divided on
    the web pages dealing with wheel building.

    I think it pretty much falls into the "nice but nowhere near essential" category. You can build
    quality wheels without one, tensiometers help you keep a consistent spoke tension with every wheel.
    I might get myself one, just because I like buying tools. ;-)

    That said, jigs and dishing sticks are also nice but not essential. You can build a wheel with an
    upside down bike, flipping it round in the dropouts to see if it's dished.

    Also in the nice to have category is a nipple driver. These just make it a bit quicker to wind the
    nipple on, and get everything to vaguely the same tension at the lacing stage. They're great for
    leaving on your coffee table to confuse visitors with, but unless you're deliberately out to buy a
    weird tool, I wouldn't recommend getting one for the average home wheelbuilder.

    In short, you need a spoke key. Everything else isn't essential.

    --
    Huw Pritchard Replace bounce with huw to reply by mail

  8. Huw Pritchard said:

    On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:56:13 +0000, David Nutter did issue forth:

    Quoted message said:


    Also in the nice to have category is a nipple driver. These just make it a bit quicker to wind the
    nipple on, and get everything to vaguely the same tension at the lacing stage. They're great for
    leaving on your coffee table to confuse visitors with, but unless you're deliberately out to buy a
    weird tool, I wouldn't recommend getting one for the average home wheelbuilder.

    In short, you need a spoke key. Everything else isn't essential.

    You can also file or grind a flat bladed screwdriver down to be a nipple driver. If you fileing it
    use a cheap one as they are softer. You shouldn't be using it to put serious welly onto the nips so
    it doesn't matter if its made of fairly [censored] metal.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this: Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    home.in.tum.deoe quotefix

  9. "Huw Pritchard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Personally I prefer the Spokey, although these are getting a little difficult to find.

    Agreed - I like my spokey.

    My LBS (settle) appears to have some in stock. (and some salmon koolstop V brake pads).

    cheers, clive

  10. Clive George said:

    Agreed - I like my spokey.

    My LBS (settle) appears to have some in stock. (and some salmon koolstop V brake pads).

    Next time you pop in, could you ask them to put it on their website*, and perhaps generally keep the
    site better corrected & updated? I bet they would then get more business.

    * Although I appreciate that they might not want to include everything they've got/could ever get.
    Spokey would be a good one though.

    --
    ~PB FA: 62cm Ti frame: tinyurl.com6stt

  11. Pete Biggs <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Clive George said:

    Agreed - I like my spokey.

    My LBS (settle) appears to have some in stock. (and some salmon koolstop V brake pads).

    Next time you pop in, could you ask them to put it on their website*, and perhaps generally keep
    the site better corrected & updated? I bet they would then get more business.

    * Although I appreciate that they might not want to include everything they've got/could ever get.
    Spokey would be a good one though.

    All 3 of the bike shops in central Cheltenham have Spokeys on the rack, one of which is Lakeland if
    you want to order on-line. (Cheltenham Cycles. Williams & Lakeland)

    Andrew

  12. David Nutter <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, I want to know if anyone can recommend good and relatively cheap bits of wheelbuilding
    equipment as a new rear wheel built around a Sovos flip/flop will be the first task (beyond
    checking the frame is sound).

    I suppose you can use the bike frame or try to build your own, but in my opinion it's a pleaseure to
    use the proper tools that are designed properly for the job.

    I use the Minoura wheelbuilding stand, Minoura dishing guage, and Spokey. And light grease for the
    spoke threads.

    -Myra

  13. David Nutter said:

    Hello,

    My next project will be turning my old 10 speed into a fixed gear bike since the drivetrain has
    just about expired and I fancy something more

    *snip*

    Thanks to everyone who has replied. I've acquired a slightly better spoke key but (for now) I won't
    buy any other specialist wheelbuilding equipment and see if I can do it with just beer glasses, the
    frame and some long hours kneeling on the floor.

    It'll keep me out of the pub anyway!

    Thanks again.

    -david

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