wheel

William H. O'Ha said:

So,
I had thought that I had my wheels straight and no more problems. I
broke a spoke on the non drive side in the rear. I'm riding the Mavic
CXP33 with american classic hubs.
I believe that I broke the spoke while riding the bikeway from Forest
Hills to downtown Boston, MA. This route contains some bumps, but it is
not that bad.
Did I break the spoke while leaning to the left or the right somewhere?
I was wondering if the wheel is flexing up and down too much.
I am still around 200#. I'm thinking of going for Velocity Deep Vs with
105 hubs and heavy db spokes or the Velomax orion. I haven't trued the
CXP-33's except for once since my never ending truing experience.
thanks bill
--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

Well, that is the most common place to break a spoke "while just riding
along" What brand and model spoke? Who built them for you? What tension
on the drive side? Where on the spoke did it break? Were they tension
balanced and stress relieved? I think you choice of rim is fine for your
weight. I would just replace the spoke, spoke align, check tension all
around, true the wheel, remove any wind-up, tension balance, stress
relieve, & ride on. The wheel is not flexing up and down too much unless
the spokes are under-tensioned. de KQ9W

--

in article [email hidden], William H.
O'Hara, III at [email hidden] wrote on 7/3/04 9:05 PM:

Quoted message said:

I had thought that I had my wheels
straight and no more problems. I
broke a spoke on the non drive side
in the rear.

I am still around 200#. I'm thinking
of going for Velocity Deep Vs with
105 hubs and heavy db spokes or
the Velomax orion. I haven't trued
the CXP-33's except for once since
my never ending truing experience.

If you are breaking spokes, it is likely because they were not properly
stress-relieved at the time that the wheels were built. This leads to
fatigue failure. Rebuiding with different hubs, rims, or spokes won't make
any difference unless the wheel is built properly.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL
http://www.heronbicycles.com/
http://www.tullios.com/

whoohara-<< I
broke a spoke on the non drive side
in the rear. I'm riding the
Mavic CXP33 with american classic
hubs. >><BR><BR>
<< I'm thinking
of going for Velocity Deep Vs with
105 hubs and heavy db spokes or
the Velomax orion. I haven't trued
the CXP-33's except for once since
my never ending truing experience. >><BR><BR>

Wheel is sick, either from a poor, too low tension, not stress relieved build
or the rim is 'bent' and not round, causing a spot with low tension. CXP-33,
with dbl butted spokles, and a GOOD build should be fine for you.

Not from turning or flexing or anything like that.

Stay away from velomax wheels.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Quoted message said:

Wheel is sick, either from a poor, too low tension, not
stress relieved build or the rim is 'bent' and not round,
causing a spot with low tension. CXP-33, with dbl butted
spokles, and a GOOD build should be fine for you.

Not from turning or flexing or anything like that.

Stay away from velomax wheels.

Well,

you are the first person to say to me that
Velomax would not be good. I had about enough
with this wheelset. I haven taken it around
to many different places now. I think that the
rear has a little spot after the spoke broke
too. The fellow could not even it all the way.

These are supposed to be tensioned properly
per the last person to look at them. I think
that the straight gauge spokes at the 28 count
has not worked well. I don't know how good
the American classic hubs are either.

The velomax was sounding interesting with
the supposedly stronger hub to spoke connection.
Everyone around here is swearing by the their
strength.

I have not put up many miles on these wheels
and I have grown very tired of truing. I think
that the rear has had it.

Bill

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

Todd Kuzma <[email hidden]> wrote in
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in article
[email hidden], William
H. O'Hara, III at [email hidden] wrote on 7/3/04 9:05
PM:

Quoted message said:

I had thought that I had my wheels
straight and no more problems. I
broke a spoke on the non drive side
in the rear.

I am still around 200#. I'm thinking
of going for Velocity Deep Vs with
105 hubs and heavy db spokes or
the Velomax orion. I haven't trued
the CXP-33's except for once since
my never ending truing experience.

If you are breaking spokes, it is likely because they were
not properly stress-relieved at the time that the wheels
were built. This leads to fatigue failure. Rebuiding with
different hubs, rims, or spokes won't make any difference
unless the wheel is built properly.

I am already conceding the wheel was not
built properly. It had to be fixed. I
went and had it trued properly. It had
stay in true for several weeks.

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

whoo-<< I think
that the straight gauge spokes at the 28 count
has not worked well. I don't know how good
the American classic hubs are either. >><BR><BR>

Very complicated rear, and 28 straight gauge spokes makes for a less reliable
wheel as well, coupled with poor build.

whoo<< The velomax was sounding interesting with
the supposedly stronger hub to spoke connection.
Everyone around here is swearing by the their
strength. >><BR><BR>

No such thing as a free lunch. Not great build and an attempt to make them
light and marketable.

Stronger hub to spoke connection? Horsieshite.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Quoted message said:

Very complicated rear, and 28 straight gauge spokes makes
for a less reliable wheel as well, coupled with poor build.

whoo<< The velomax was sounding interesting with
the supposedly stronger hub to spoke connection.
Everyone around here is swearing by the their
strength. >><BR><BR>

No such thing as a free lunch. Not great build and an
attempt to make them light and marketable.

Stronger hub to spoke connection? Horsieshite.

I had a flat today going uphill while off the saddle.
I heard the whoosh and immediately came to a stop on
the side of the road. The rim is now horrible out
of true. I am really interested in the Velocity
semi aero rims with a 32 spoke count for
approx $200. Any questions about quality or is the
exchange rate the factor in the lower price range?

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

"William H. O'Hara, III" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Very complicated rear, and 28 straight gauge spokes makes
for a less reliable wheel as well, coupled with poor build.

whoo<< The velomax was sounding interesting with
the supposedly stronger hub to spoke connection.
Everyone around here is swearing by the their
strength. >><BR><BR>

No such thing as a free lunch. Not great build and an
attempt to make them light and marketable.

Stronger hub to spoke connection? Horsieshite.

I had a flat today going uphill while off the saddle.
I heard the whoosh and immediately came to a stop on
the side of the road. The rim is now horrible out
of true. I am really interested in the Velocity
semi aero rims with a 32 spoke count for
approx $200. Any questions about quality or is the
exchange rate the factor in the lower price range?

--

Let me get this straight, you had a "flat", then you heard a "whoosh", and
now your rim is "horribly out of true"?!

One suggestion, instead of spending $200 for questionable rims (you're
really want to spend TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS for a pair of rim?!#$), why not
just have a LBS true up your wheels. Probably should not cost more than what
$5-15 each, max!

Better yet, maybe buy The Bicycle Wheel (about $25) and learn how to true up
yourself. $200 for a pair of "semi aero rims" is not a good deal....

whoohara-<< The rim is now horrible out
of true. I am really interested in the Velocity
semi aero rims with a 32 spoke count for
approx $200. Any questions about quality or is the
exchange rate the factor in the lower price range? >><BR><BR>

$200 for a wheelset probably means a low end hubset. And a questionable build
by who knows.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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"William H. O'Hara, III" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Very complicated rear, and 28 straight gauge spokes
makes for a less reliable wheel as well, coupled with
poor build.

whoo<< The velomax was sounding interesting with
the supposedly stronger hub to spoke connection.
Everyone around here is swearing by the their
strength. >><BR><BR>

No such thing as a free lunch. Not great build and an
attempt to make them light and marketable.

this straight, you had a "flat", then you heard

Quoted message said:

a "whoosh", and now your rim is "horribly out of true"?!

One suggestion, instead of spending $200 for questionable
rims (you're really want to spend TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS for a
pair of rim?!#$), why not just have a LBS true up your
wheels. Probably should not cost more than what $5-15 each,
max!

Better yet, maybe buy The Bicycle Wheel (about $25) and
learn how to true up yourself. $200 for a pair of "semi
aero rims" is not a good deal....

I have the book. I have read it. I have properly tensioned
my wheels with someone else. I had them working good
for about two weeks. I am not in the mood to true the wheels
two or three times a week. They continued to go untrue
very often.

On Tuesday I had the rim about 1 inch out from the rest
of wheel at a certain spot. The wheel could not be trued
that well either after this one.

I can true the wheel myself. However, I am looking for
a wheel that will last me longer and not break several
spokes when I am 30 miles away from home.

Bill

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

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Quoted message said:

whoohara-<< The rim is now horrible out
of true. I am really interested in the Velocity
semi aero rims with a 32 spoke count for
approx $200. Any questions about quality or is the
exchange rate the factor in the lower price range?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<BR><BR>

$200 for a wheelset probably means a low end hubset. And a
questionable build by who knows.

I was thinking about building it myself
actually. I prop could do it better than
most of people around my local area.

I went into a local bike store that everyone
on the 'net talks about. I was not impressed
with their attitude or the prices. I would not
let them build me a wheel. They would end up
charging me thousands for a poor job. They would
decide what I wanted and how much I should
spend. I am more interested in hearing about
quality of Velocity. If I use ultegras for
the hub would it really make a difference?

I'm not going to buy dura ace.

I have am classic right now.

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

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news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

whoohara-<< The rim is now horrible out
of true. I am really interested in the Velocity
semi aero rims with a 32 spoke count for
approx $200. Any questions about quality or is the
exchange rate the factor in the lower price range?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<BR><BR>

$200 for a wheelset probably means a low end hubset. And a
questionable build by who knows.

I was thinking about building it myself
actually. I prop could do it better than
most of people around my local area.

I went into a local bike store that everyone
on the 'net talks about. I was not impressed
with their attitude or the prices. I would not
let them build me a wheel. They would end up
charging me thousands for a poor job. They would
decide what I wanted and how much I should
spend. I am more interested in hearing about
quality of Velocity. If I use ultegras for
the hub would it really make a difference?

I'm not going to buy dura ace.

I have am classic right now.

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

whoo-<< I am more interested in hearing about
quality of Velocity. If I use ultegras for
the hub would it really make a difference? >><BR><BR>

A shimano hub, from 105 and up, overhauled and adjusted well will work fine.
Velocity is an Aussie company making a variety of really nice rims from light
to heavy. The build is more important than components, but selecting the proper
ones, rim, spoke number, is still critical.

Fusion and Razor rims both make for nice, reliable, not heavy wheelsets, built
well, of course.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

William H. O'Hara said:

Quoted message said:

Better yet, maybe buy The Bicycle Wheel (about $25) and
learn how to true up yourself. $200 for a pair of "semi
aero rims" is not a good deal....

I have the book. I have read it. I have properly tensioned
my wheels with someone else. I had them working good
for about two weeks. I am not in the mood to true the wheels
two or three times a week. They continued to go untrue
very often.

On Tuesday I had the rim about 1 inch out from the rest
of wheel at a certain spot. The wheel could not be trued
that well either after this one.

I can true the wheel myself. However, I am looking for
a wheel that will last me longer and not break several
spokes when I am 30 miles away from home.

Bill

A properly tensioned wheel will not go out of true every two weeks.

Your rim is likely bent, and will be unstable because adjusting the
spoke tension to keep it true results in some spokes being too loose.

The real test is to observe the rim without any spokes in it. (I know,
that is pretty much the same work as building a wheel.) A good rim will
lie flat on a flat surface. If the rim will not lie flat, it's best to
replace it, and others have told you, that is relatively inexpensive.

If you want to do this on the cheap, or if you have some emotional
reason to keep it, it may be effective to persuade the rim to be flat by
some judicious bending.

--
Ted Bennett
Portland OR

[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo ) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

whoo-<< I am more interested in hearing about
quality of Velocity. If I use ultegras for
the hub would it really make a difference? >><BR><BR>

A shimano hub, from 105 and up, overhauled and adjusted
well will work fine. Velocity is an Aussie company making a
variety of really nice rims from light to heavy. The build
is more important than components, but selecting the proper
ones, rim, spoke number, is still critical.

Fusion and Razor rims both make for nice, reliable, not
heavy wheelsets, built well, of course.

I am thinking about the fellow in NH. I just
found his website. I am thinking the Velocity
with 32 in the rear. I don't see any sense to
go 36.

thanks guys
--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH

whoohara-<< I am thinking the Velocity
with 32 in the rear. I don't see any sense to
go 36. >><BR><BR>

Those 28 grams of spokes make for a more reliable wheel w/o ANY downside. I
don't see why rears are not ALL 36.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo ) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

whoohara-<< I am thinking the Velocity
with 32 in the rear. I don't see any sense to
go 36. >><BR><BR>

Those 28 grams of spokes make for a more reliable wheel w/o
ANY downside. I don't see why rears are not ALL 36.

I was thinking of more complexity for me. They
don't cost much more either! I suppose that I might
as well.

--
William H. O'Hara KB1LEH