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  1. I battling to get my heart rate up. I thought it could be from over training as I'm training for the S.African cycling champ's in 2 weeks time.

    On Saturday I did short intervals (5 x 1min)in my long ride and I couldnt get my heart rate to 85% and above.

    So I took Sunday and Monday off and this morining I was doing 6min intervals and I couldnt get my heart rate up again.

    Can anyone tell me what my body is telling me, as I dont think its over trainng as I took 2days off.

    My quads are sore and when I ride they feel very heavy and tired. I feel tired during the day too and could just go and sleep.

    Is it over training? Did I over do it. What must I then do till my champ's?

    Please help

  2. franco1 said:

    I battling to get my heart rate up. I thought it could be from over training as I'm training for the S.African cycling champ's in 2 weeks time.

    On Saturday I did short intervals (5 x 1min)in my long ride and I couldnt get my heart rate to 85% and above.

    So I took Sunday and Monday off and this morining I was doing 6min intervals and I couldnt get my heart rate up again.

    Can anyone tell me what my body is telling me, as I dont think its over trainng as I took 2days off.

    My quads are sore and when I ride they feel very heavy and tired. I feel tired during the day too and could just go and sleep.

    Is it over training? Did I over do it. What must I then do till my champ's?

    Please help

    You are not recovered, your quads are sore legs are heavy and your tired. when you are recovered your legs should feel fresh.if you have a race in 2 weeks i would take a week off.

  3. zaskar said:

    You are not recovered, your quads are sore legs are heavy and your tired. when you are recovered your legs should feel fresh.if you have a race in 2 weeks i would take a week off.


    You have overtrained to the point where just taking a day or 2 off is not going to allow for full recovery. Once you go past this point, it can take a week or more to fully recover. The same thing happened to me last season. I had just finished up a tough racing season and was a little overtrained, however I ignored the warning signs since they were not that bad and decided to do a 100 mile tour that covered 6 mountains. I was whipped at the end, but decided to do one last 100 mile ride 5 days later. I couldn;t finish the ride. It wasn;t a race, just a ride, and I became very sick and weak by mile 50, and had to cut it short. Your best bet is to take several days off, and then go out for a short easy ride just to see how you feel. If you feel ok, step up the pace a bit. If you still do not feel recovered, just do an easy spin, or take another day off.

  4. Thanks for the replies

    Now when you say take a week off, do you mean completely nothing or can I do 60min easy ride at say 60 - 65% heart rate?

    How about my fitness levels, I dont want to lose 7 weeks of training!

  5. franco1 said:

    Thanks for the replies

    Now when you say take a week off, do you mean completely nothing or can I do 60min easy ride at say 60 - 65% heart rate?

    How about my fitness levels, I dont want to lose 7 weeks of training!

    Remember you gain fitness by letting your body rest after a period of hard training. if i were you i would just take the week off, your overtrained. a week off will do you more good then if you keep riding imo.

  6. This is an article by one of the Carmichael Training Systems cycling coaches.

    Subject: Step Away From The Bicycle
    By Jim Rutberg
    Logic says that the harder you work, the better you get. The harder you push youself, the faster you become. That logic is correct for students and businessmen, but only partially correct for athletes. Rest, in adequate amounts and at the right times, is essential for athletic success.

    Training is a balance between stress and rest. Your body adapts to the stresses forced upon it. When you stress your aerobic system, it gets stronger in order to better cope with that stress. When you perform weight-bearing exercises, the structure of your bones changes so they can support more weight. These adaptations only occur when the body is given sufficient recovery time between workouts. Recovery time is necessary for repairing cell damage, building new cells, replenishing fuels, and rehydrating.

    "I'll get plenty of rest when I'm dead." Fine, ride yourself into the ground day after day and let's see what happens. For the first few weeks you get faster and stronger. As a result you work even harder and ride even faster. After a while you get to the point where you are not getting any stronger or faster, but you keep working as hard or harder than ever. Soon the harder you push the slower you go and your exercise heart rates start to fall. Even your maximal effort does not make your heart rate climb. You can't sleep. Your poor performance on your bike translates to a foul mood off the bike; you're a real joy to be around. When you finally get so run down that you get sick, you might finally take enough time off to regain your senses, and hopefully your friends.

    During those first few weeks of hard training, your body was overworked and under-rested, but it tried to adapt to deal with the workload. The period of time when the training was not leading to adaptations and improved performance was the period when your body was recovering just enough to repair damage and replenish fuels. When the balance tipped so that you could no longer adequately repair the damage from each day's training, your performance started to nosedive. From this point further, every workout you did added to the problem until your body was so tired from repairing an ever-increasing amount of damage that you failed to fight off an infection.

    Rest. Take at least one day a week completely off and incorporate active rest into your program. Active rest, in the form of slow recovery rides or other light aerobic exercises, facilitates recovery by increasing circulation to flush wastes and bring in nutrients. Carmichael Training Systems coaches often utilize a three-week building phase followed by one regeneration week. Each building phase targets a specific energy system or skill. Rest is incorporated into the building phase so that fatigue does not impede progress, but it is the regeneration week which provides the rest, repair, and complete replenishment necessary for real improvement.

  7. franco1 said:

    I battling to get my heart rate up. I thought it could be from over training as I'm training for the S.African cycling champ's in 2 weeks time.

    On Saturday I did short intervals (5 x 1min)in my long ride and I couldnt get my heart rate to 85% and above.

    So I took Sunday and Monday off and this morining I was doing 6min intervals and I couldnt get my heart rate up again.

    Can anyone tell me what my body is telling me, as I dont think its over trainng as I took 2days off.

    My quads are sore and when I ride they feel very heavy and tired. I feel tired during the day too and could just go and sleep.

    Is it over training? Did I over do it. What must I then do till my champ's?

    Please help

    I would echo the comments that you are likely overtrained on a 'long-term' level, especially since 2 complete days off didn't appear to make any difference. It's hard to say just how much time you need to take off to properly recover, but w/only a couple weeks until your goal event, I wouldn't recommend an entire week off; something more like 3 days off followed by 2-3 days of 60min of recovery riding. At this point, you are going to have to gamble a little bit that your body will come around. Furthermore, should you take time off, do not get back on the bike the way you did before (with more intervals), just do enough to get the 'feel' back. Being fresh for your race will do you more good at this point than any intervals you can perform.

  8. franco1 said:

    I battling to get my heart rate up. I thought it could be from over training as I'm training for the S.African cycling champ's in 2 weeks time.

    On Saturday I did short intervals (5 x 1min)in my long ride and I couldnt get my heart rate to 85% and above.

    So I took Sunday and Monday off and this morining I was doing 6min intervals and I couldnt get my heart rate up again.

    Can anyone tell me what my body is telling me, as I dont think its over trainng as I took 2days off.

    My quads are sore and when I ride they feel very heavy and tired. I feel tired during the day too and could just go and sleep.

    Is it over training? Did I over do it. What must I then do till my champ's?

    Please help

    I heard a great quote from I think Mark Allen about recovery and overtraining.
    "It is better to go into a race 10% under-trained rather than 1% over-trained."

    Keep up the recovery and don't worry about anything but that. Fitness is secondary. Your body may be so overworked that all it needs right now is recovery time. Good luck!

  9. Thank you to all that replied.

    I did base my program around a 3 week hard training and a recovery week. But I get side tracked by weekends races and then change my training. I see on my training graph which I add my weekly training hours that on my 2 recovery weeks I put in more hours than my hard weeks.

    So yes I do think I've over trained, I've taken off completely yesterday and today I'll take off too. Tom. 40km easy, Saturday 60km easy, Sunday Race.

    Hopefully that should work. Unfortunatly this cancels my motor pacing sessions out completely.

  10. Are you sure you need to put in another 100 km in the last two days before the race? I'd forget the km's and just go out for an easy 30 minute recovery spin tomorrow....little gear, no hills, HR below 65%. Saturday would do the same, but include a couple of intervals up to race pace for a couple of minutes each. Just enough to wake up the legs.

    Of course, this is just from my perspective. You know yourself best.

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