What would you say about Bush?

Well, he's the worst president since Clinton. He failed miserably to destroy the Taliban when he had the chance. He has done very little at all do do things he has promised to work on (like reducing dependency on eastern oil) His IQ is sub 74. He can't make a complete sentance without stumbling or give a straight answer. I don't believe he's evil, just stupid, and he certainly isn't a Nazi, because I'm pretty sure the Nazis killed [censored].

BimmsAndBices said:

and he certainly isn't a Nazi, because I'm pretty sure the Nazis killed [censored].

damn .... I just spit coffee all over my keyboard when I burst out laughing!

BimmsAndBices said:

I don't believe he's evil, just stupid,...

He's certainly not much brighter than a small soap dish, no contest there. But evil too? I would say yes.

All one has to do is take an honest, critical look at what he and his goons have done - and what they have allowed to continue to their benefit - since they were illegally installed into office by the Supreme Court.

Examining his record, if that's not evil intent then nothing is.

BimmsAndBices said:

...and he certainly isn't a Nazi, because I'm pretty sure the Nazis killed [censored].

G.W. Bush was born a bit too late (1946) for the 1930's-40's Nazis to get their hands on. They wouldn't have killed him anyway, since his grandfather Prescott Bush sold war materiel to them, and profitted handsomely from the war, all of which was illegal.

FDR put a stop to it once his activity was known to the U.S. gov't.

The problem here is that people tend to lay the blame on one convenient source and often fail to take other factors into account.
One example: What Wolf mentioned a few posts back about the Iraq war -, sure it may well have taken place under Hilary or Bill Clinton (i.e. as the Yugoslavia bombing took place).
You seem to be forgetting that millions of people actually voted Bush back into office which makes then equally responsible, same as over here the electorate was crazy enough to vote Blair in 3 times.
You appear to be personalising all of this way too much and narrowing down all the failures of your country to just one individual as if he was a dictator you never had the optiomn of removing through the vote.
Sure, I agree Bush is a terrible choice of President but I suspect the Iraq war would have taken place anyway after 9/11 and let's remember people actually voted Bush into office. That's democracy, I'm afraid.

Wurm said:

What is your honest, unvarnished opinion of Bush? Here's mine:

The most utterly catastrophic event that America has ever faced is "President" Bush and the 2 most recent Republican-controlled Congresses. He is a disgrace beyond any and all disgraces that have yet befallen us. Would you let a 6-year-old with no training fly an airliner? That's what we have. Regardless of what you may think of past Presidents, this man isn't fit to wipe the ass of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Truman, Ike, or even Nixon.

The man is a dangerous, arrogant, cowardly psychopath. Anyone who doesnt have intense hatred, disgust, and contempt for this man and his crew are still wallowing in stiff-necked denial.

I would have more confidence in the local convenience store clerk to do a better job of running the Executive Branch.

Not only is G.W. Bush an unabashed lunatic, he is devoid of integrity or character. He has no leadership capabilities of any kind. He is a piece of [censored] that should be locked away for the good of mankind.

Likewise, I believe Blair has been catastrophic. I think the damage under Blair could be simply too late to reverse, perhaps. Again, what happened is people went out and voted him into office despite protests from those who knew Blair was a fraud.
Now all of a sudden, the electorate has woken up and everybody can finally see why Blair is a political dead-duck. The problem is the damage has been done and it would take a genious to undo what Blair has accomplished during his 3 terms.

Wurm said:

What is your honest, unvarnished opinion of Bush? Here's mine:

The most utterly catastrophic event that America has ever faced is "President" Bush and the 2 most recent Republican-controlled Congresses. He is a disgrace beyond any and all disgraces that have yet befallen us. Would you let a 6-year-old with no training fly an airliner? That's what we have. Regardless of what you may think of past Presidents, this man isn't fit to wipe the ass of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Truman, Ike, or even Nixon.

The man is a dangerous, arrogant, cowardly psychopath. Anyone who doesnt have intense hatred, disgust, and contempt for this man and his crew are still wallowing in stiff-necked denial.

I would have more confidence in the local convenience store clerk to do a better job of running the Executive Branch.

Not only is G.W. Bush an unabashed lunatic, he is devoid of integrity or character. He has no leadership capabilities of any kind. He is a piece of [censored] that should be locked away for the good of mankind.

Carrera said:

The problem here is that...

I think by now you should understand that generally, when I say "Bush" it includes his overall administration, and to a large extent the rubber-stamp Repig Congress. This is far from "one individual's" doing.

It is ridiculous to assert that invading Iraq would have happened had Gore rightly been sworn in. The entire premise of the Iraq conflict was based on lies cooked up by Bu$hCo to further their own ends.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Evidently, your small brain has been sufficiently washed. 🙄

Bush was not elected by a majority of the popular vote, nor a majority of the electoral vote...at least not by the actual totals. See FL '00 and OH '04 voting fraud cases, among other states.

Furthermore: the Bush/Neo Con public support is in the toilet, which means their policy should shift to reflect that - but with these [censored] it will not.

"It is ridiculous to assert that invading Iraq would have happened had Gore rightly been sworn in."

Evidently you don't seem too clued-up on Belgrade, Wurm, and have a short memory maybe? Wasn't it under Clinton's Administration that the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade was deliberately bombed in retaliation for the espionage and stealing of America's nuclear information?
Are you saying the Clinton Administration was pacifist and all the war-mongering in the U.S. is down to Bush alone?
No way Jose!
Let me refresh your memory further. What happened in Iraq after Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky put Clinton under heavy pressure and, to save his skin, Clinton diverted attention from himself by bombing Iraq.
You're saying Iraq wouldn't have been attacked under the Democrats after 9/11 (bearing in mind the U.S. is addicted to oil whether Democrats or Republicans are in power)?
Look, I agree with you Bush is an awful President and that the war in Iraq was a mistake. It's just it seems you have a pathological hatred of one single politician but you seem to forget these Presidents are really figureheads, dictated to by the military.
If the Military had told Clinton to go into Iraq, I'm sure he'd have done so. Maybe he wouldn't have sent in ground troops and maybe he'd have made a better job of the war organisation but he would have gone in, same as Bush did.
Same thing in the U.K., by the way. All our foreign policy is, more or less dictated by whatever Party is in control in the U.S. Both Labour and the Tories would have sent troops to Iraq and Blair even signed up to extradition agreements so any U.K. citizen can be tried in an American court on demand. Of course, that doesn't apply to Europeans.

Wurm said:

I think by now you should understand that generally, when I say "Bush" it includes his overall administration, and to a large extent the rubber-stamp Repig Congress. This is far from "one individual's" doing.

It is ridiculous to assert that invading Iraq would have happened had Gore rightly been sworn in. The entire premise of the Iraq conflict was based on lies cooked up by Bu$hCo to further their own ends.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Evidently, your small brain has been sufficiently washed. 🙄

Bush was not elected by a majority of the popular vote, nor a majority of the electoral vote...at least not by the actual totals. See FL '00 and OH '04 voting fraud cases, among other states.

Furthermore: the Bush/Neo Con public support is in the toilet, which means their policy should shift to reflect that - but with these [censored] it will not.

What does the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade & Clinton have to do with Bu$hCo lying about 9-11 to invade Iraq? Seriously, you need to quit pulling these nonsensical associations out of yerass and get a grip.

I just find myself thinking Wolf had a point that Iraq would have been invaded under Hilary Clinton just the same - maybe without ground troops. I see Bush as just a figure-head who, at the end of the day, sits down with his military personnel and is urged to take this or that course.
I may be wrong of course.
What I do think will happen is there will soon be some kind of conflict with Putin and Russia even after Bush loses the election. Seems to me that the U.S. is hoping to get its oil companies grounded in the former USSR but Putin has taken control of the oil reserves and wants personal control.
This is why Putin is dragging his feet over Iran lately as he doesn't trust Bush's intentions in Kazakhastan and Georgia, it appears.

Wurm said:

What does the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade & Clinton have to do with Bu$hCo lying about 9-11 to invade Iraq? Seriously, you need to quit pulling these nonsensical associations out of yerass and get a grip.

Carrera said:

I just find myself thinking Wolf had a point that Iraq would have been invaded under Hilary Clinton just the same - maybe without ground troops.

Yes well, wolfux has many retarded juxtapositions to spew. If you wish to glom onto them, you're no better informed than he is.

Wurm said:

What is your honest, unvarnished opinion of Bush?
<snip>

The perspective of distance here.

Bush & Co has damaged the way I feel about the USA. All of you can't be stupid. I have to remember that not everyone in your country voted for the smirking chimp.

Take your frustration to the ballot box!

Bikesoiler said:

Take your frustration to the ballot box!

That has been done in 2004, but as some of us know, the Ohio results - as well as in other states - were tampered with by BushCo operatives such as K. Blackwell and others, as well as electronic voting machines from Diebold.

See http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

The U.S. has been making the serious mistake of discarding human rights, especially under the Bush Administration, although we also saw some of this under Clinton. That is, there's no denying Clinton was prepared to bomb Iraq to distract attention from his personal problems over Monica Lewinsky.
That's what I was pointing out to Wurm - I believe the rot goes a bit deeper than Bush.
All the human rights abuses we've heard about in Iraq have been going on in the U.S.A. for some time now. That includes abuse of American prisoners in locations such as Arizona and Texas I referred to some time ago.
In many cases the abuses you hear of in Iraq were committed by people who already have an abusive record (Lindie England's boyfriend was guilty of prison abuse in a U.S. jail).
I don't think the majority of the U.S. marines abuses Iraqi POW's or conducts itself shamefully but evidently there is a problem.
I think Americans ought to start asking tough questions with regard to human rights in their country the same way black people protested over civil rights in the sixties. Bullies such as Rumsefeld need to be confronted by angry protesters before things take a change for the better.

Bikesoiler said:

The perspective of distance here.

Bush & Co has damaged the way I feel about the USA. All of you can't be stupid. I have to remember that not everyone in your country voted for the smirking chimp.

Take your frustration to the ballot box!

Wurm said:

What is your honest, unvarnished opinion of Bush? My short answer: Not only is G.W. Bush an unabashed lunatic, he is devoid of integrity or character. He has no leadership capabilities of any kind. He is a piece of [censored] that should be locked away for the good of mankind.

I think the great question concerning Bush is whether
he is,

A. A Moron
B. Borderline Psychotic Personality
C. An Evil, Heartless [censored] out
only for his families own gain,
and that of his multi-millionaire
buddies... or
D. All of the above, AND that he
is a marionette, played by
other evil people with more
intelligence than he, that are
out to become rich beyond
measure for their children's
children.

I suspect that Bush is a bit from
column A, B, C and D.

And yes, he has done more to set
back the US in his short time in office, and indeed jeopardize the
security of the whole world than
any other person or administration
in the history of the world, perhaps
with the exception of Adolf [censored].

Yeh, [censored]... that's what he reminds
me of. A [censored] FASCIST pig!🙂

And all of that [censored] about God talking
to him, telling him to invade the
infidels... Yes, add borderline psychotic to the list for sure!
It would be interesting if
the Republican party had
the sense to hold a Pay for View
fundraiser on Cable TV after Bush
and Cheney leave office.

I 'might' pay up to $500 for a double billing death match between The Undertaker v. G.W. BUSH, with the opening match being a death match between Cheney and
Michael Moore, (armed with
a ballpine hammer.)

(Note to Feds: I am not ADVOCATING such an event,
but if the Republican party
wants to sponsor such a charity
event, I might be interested
in watching and contributing
to the Republican Party.)

Excellent! and I didn't have to type it myself! 😄

Ned Goudy said:

I 'might' pay up to $500 for a double billing death match between The Undertaker v. G.W. BUSH, with the opening match being a death match between Cheney and
Michael Moore, (armed with
a ballpine hammer.)

And on next weeks bill, let's have Hillary vs. Kindasleazy Rice. Winner gets a night in bed with Don "The Manipulator" Rumsfeld.

"And all of that [censored] about God talking to him, telling him to invade the
infidels... Yes, add borderline psychotic to the list for sure!"

Religion always seems to be the root of it all. Once one believes he has a monopoly on the truth, ethical conduct goes down the sink. Bush genuinely believes he is doing God's will as does Bin Laden. The two of them probably have some kind of mutual respect for one another for at least being believers.

Ned Goudy said:

I think the great question concerning Bush is whether
he is,

A. A Moron
B. Borderline Psychotic Personality
C. An Evil, Heartless [censored] out
only for his families own gain,
and that of his multi-millionaire
buddies... or
D. All of the above, AND that he
is a marionette, played by
other evil people with more
intelligence than he, that are
out to become rich beyond
measure for their children's
children.

I suspect that Bush is a bit from
column A, B, C and D.

And yes, he has done more to set
back the US in his short time in office, and indeed jeopardize the
security of the whole world than
any other person or administration
in the history of the world, perhaps
with the exception of Adolf [censored].

Yeh, [censored]... that's what he reminds
me of. A [censored] FASCIST pig!🙂

And all of that [censored] about God talking
to him, telling him to invade the
infidels... Yes, add borderline psychotic to the list for sure!
It would be interesting if
the Republican party had
the sense to hold a Pay for View
fundraiser on Cable TV after Bush
and Cheney leave office.

I 'might' pay up to $500 for a double billing death match between The Undertaker v. G.W. BUSH, with the opening match being a death match between Cheney and
Michael Moore, (armed with
a ballpine hammer.)

(Note to Feds: I am not ADVOCATING such an event,
but if the Republican party
wants to sponsor such a charity
event, I might be interested
in watching and contributing
to the Republican Party.)

better luck @ next time 🙁 oops :eek: , there isn't going to be a next time 😄